Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5

[Pianoman]

Congratulations on your new Genos Richard.
Wishing you many hours of enjoyment.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[EileenL]

Hi Pino,
  Loved your song. Played from the heart which to me is what just sitting down and playing is all about. Dose not matter what keyboard you have. You don't need miles of Equipment to enjoy playing Genos. Just switch on select your style and favorite sounds and play.

[Pino]

Thank you Eileen, my favourite Es*** girl,

I play cocktail 2 hours in a restaurant so slower songs to start with and then dancing stuff.
I finish at 9pm and have to get my gear out pretty quick to make room for the big band
Smaller and lighter is essential for me when gigging.

I Midi to my Ketron Sd40 and that has really nice clarinets etc
I will buy a Genos one day for sure. Just waiting for the 61 

Happy Playing

Pino

[EileenL]

Pretty sure we will not see a 61 note Genos but it only weighs 30 pounds so is lighter than Tyros.

[Fred Smith]

Pretty sure we will not see a 61 note Genos but it only weighs 30 pounds so is lighter than Tyros.

We will never see a 61 key Genos.

Yamaha have settled on Clavinova at 88 keys, Genos at 76, and PSR at 61. Makes a lot of marketing sense and easy for consumers to identify with.

If you're looking for a "61-key Genos", you'll need to wait for the next PSR model.

Fred

[mikf]

It's about playing music at the end of the day, isn't it?

I used to think this as well, but as I read the forum over the years, I realized that's it is not just about playing music - that is too narrow a definition. It is about enjoyment. Some people get just as much enjoyment out of playing around with the system features, DSPs, creating new sounds, making recordings..... The truth is that half decent players can make excellent music on almost any decent arranger (or for that matter keyboard) made in the last 15 years, and the not so good players will not magically get better just because they play a newer model.  99% of listeners will never know or care whether we are playing the latest and greatest, or have the DSPs tweaked perfectly, or the worlds best sound system. What they hear and enjoy is almost totally dependent on what tune we play and how well we play it.
So why do we keep buying the latest and greatest? - because we enjoy it, because we get pleasure from owning it, because we like to play with new features ... and many other reasons besides simply being able to play music. 
Mike

[Gunnar Jonny]

...So why do we keep buying the latest and greatest? - because we enjoy it, because we get pleasure from owning it, because we like to play with new features ... and many other reasons besides simply being able to play music. 

Jupp, and beside of all other good reasons, we won't get the money carried with us when we take the final trip.
Better use them as best as we can while we still are able to do so. 

[EileenL]

Yes that's what I say. There are no pockets in shrouds.

[Bud2]

Yes some people get pleasure from going to the movies or going out for a drink, me personally I get pleasure out of playing my keyboard, I may not be very good at it but I still enjoy it as well as using the latest technology in them. I also agree you can't take it with you and none of us know when that day will come.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi will

NUTTERS!!

You must be if you do not like the Genos.
I will prove It with my next three songs.
I have put a couple up and I am not impressed with my own work.
I have now reworked my registrations and that has not been easy. So disatisfied with the quality I was getting out.
I do know now by balancing the sounds and getting the Dsp right, It will blow you away, but that takes time like it has done with me since last December.
Decent speakers also helps as the Genos speakers are sub standard for such an expensive machine.
You get what you pay for In the long run.
The stereo spaciousness you can get is phenominal, but certain retro songs you have to be satisfied with the way they were originally recorded or you will lose that feel.
I am finding this keyboard a legend with the amount of quality sound that comes out of It.
You just have to praise Yamaha.
About 50years ago a keyboard of this quality would have cost you over £200,000 or perhaps more


all the Best
john

[Pino]

Hi John (Nutter) 
Thanks for your reply.

I never once mentioned that I did not like Genos, it's the best keyboard to date, for sure
I just don't need it right now,

Most of the replies on this post is from members with years of experience with Yamaha keyboards
I was referring to older players that do not have computer skills
I know 3 older guys that wish they hadn't sold their Tyros. That's all I said, full stop.

John, I've followed all your posts here and just wandered how you got on with recording Genos into Cubase, then save the midi file and play back the midi from Genos, same sound quality or not, does Cubase handle Sy*** ok, how did it go?

Regards

Pino.

[Rogthedodge]

Lots of views and opinions but we all have to accept that each of us make choices for our own reasons. I've tried a Genos  and I am back with my Tyros 5 and very happy with it. My issue had nothing to do with the sound nor operating system, I did try to resolve my issue but couldn't.
I have to be able to read the music and the  position of it is too far back/away, I purchased a mic stand and mounted a document holder on it but then I couldn't see the fixed screen. I have brackets which fit into the holes on back of Tyros which raises and brings forward the music, can't do that on Genos.
If anyone has any ideas how to overcome this with the paper music please let me know I'd be grateful, then I might be able to get a Genos

[Fred Smith]

Lots of views and opinions but we all have to accept that each of us make choices for our own reasons. I've tried a Genos  and I am back with my Tyros 5 and very happy with it. My issue had nothing to do with the sound nor operating system, I did try to resolve my issue but couldn't.
I have to be able to read the music and the  position of it is too far back/away, I purchased a mic stand and mounted a document holder on it but then I couldn't see the fixed screen. I have brackets which fit into the holes on back of Tyros which raises and brings forward the music, can't do that on Genos.
If anyone has any ideas how to overcome this with the paper music please let me know I'd be grateful, then I might be able to get a Genos

Put your sheet music on an iPad.

Fred

[Rogthedodge]

Thanks Fred I have about 200 songs in 4score but I have too many to scan and I'd have to buy a large iPad , so gave up on that option.
Regards
Rog

[Oldden]

Hi,

Anybody thinking of buying an iPad Pro at the moment, read any Apple information website. Seems a lot of rumers about that Apple will be updating them so that they will be similar to the iPhone x in June. Perhaps even a cheaper iPad, plus a new lower price iPhone X as the one out now isn't selling well.

Oldden

[Will49]

NUTTERS!! You must be if you do not like the Genos.

Hi John. Wrong. Rolls-Royce have always had the reputation of being the manufacturers of 'the best car in the world'. But even for those who can easily afford one (or even two or three), it doesn't necessarily mean that a Rolls is to their taste... which is why they will opt for other brands of expensive cars. Same with keyboards of course, and everything else for that matter... the 'best in the world' (of anything) may not always be everyone's cup of tea! 

About 50years ago a keyboard of this quality would have cost you over £200,000 or perhaps more

And I'm sure there would have been a few "nutters" around even then too, and would have gone and bought one!! Just joking! 

Kind regards,
Will

[EileenL]

Hi Rog,
  I understand what you mean. I had those stand adapters for my Tyros 5 and thought I would miss them. Because Genos is not so deep the music stand is not at a bad distance for me now. I had glasses made for this distance and they also work well with my computer. I also rewrite a lot of my favorite music out in larger print in a programme called Music Time which lets you choose the size of chord and notes to suit you.
  I was determined not to be beat because I wanted this keyboard and have no regrets at getting it. Keep enjoying what you have and feel comfortable with.

[Rogthedodge]

Hi Eileen
Where did you get music time from please? Is it fir iPad or PC/mac
Regards
Rog

[Bud2]

One of the first things I noticed when I sat at the Genos at the Yamaha Weekend, as soon as I put my music on the stand was how much closer it was and I commented to the person sitting at the other Genos next to me and he agreed and said " after all this time of us complaining and having to use the brackets to bring the music closer, they have done something at last". I must admit I have not measured how much closer it is but I know I don't miss having the brackets to bring the music closer.
Bill

[Rogthedodge]

I've tried a Genos and I can accurately say that the Music stand is too far away for me and not much different to the Tyros without the extension brackets.
Regards
Rog

[EileenL]

Hi Rog it is made by Gvox and is for PC or MAC.

[Gunnar Jonny]

Eileen, if I don't remeber it wrong this is a rather old software been around for a while?
Years ago I think it was Passport software, I did Use masterTracks Pro back then, that's why I think about it..
Did a Goggle search, and found this: http://www.passportmusic.com/products/musictime-deluxe/

Quote from website:

If you are still using GVOX Encore or MusicTime Deluxe – ACTION IS REQUIRED to get your free* updated version of Encore and MusicTime Deluxe. Encore and MusicTime Deluxe updates for Mac and Windows are available now and MUST** be downloaded from: http://www.passportmusic.com/downloads/

*The updates are free to any Encore 5.x/ MusicTime Deluxe 4.x customers.
** For all Gvox versions
Encore for Windows is multi-lingual:  English, French, Spanish, German, Dutch and Portuguese.

[Grayfox]

I've tried a Genos and I can accurately say that the Music stand is too far away for me and not much different to the Tyros without the extension brackets.
Regards
Rog

Measure the distance from your eyes to the  music (you could use a piece of string)
Go to any shop where they sell these cheap reading specs and hold the string out from your eyes to the sample wording. Choose the correct one so you can see clearly. I paid a £1 pair, I bought two pairs with different  lenses because my eyes are different, then swapped the lens from the one pair the the other. So I only paid £2 in all and they work for my PC as well. It's worth the effort and a lot cheaper than going to the opticians. I did the same for my reading specs as well.
Give it a try.
Graham

[StuartR]

Hi,

Anybody thinking of buying an iPad Pro at the moment, read any Apple information website. Seems a lot of rumers about that Apple will be updating them so that they will be similar to the iPhone x in June. Perhaps even a cheaper iPad, plus a new lower price iPhone X as the one out now isn't selling well.

Oldden

Not necessary. You can buy a refurbished iPad Air 2 for about $250 USD on Amazon. I just bought both my wife and I one. One was actually brand new. Both even had the cellular option.
Add Songbook+, a Yamaha Bluetooth adapter and a wireless page turner and you're all set.

[Pino]

My iPad Pro 12.9 stopped working a few months ago
I went back to my iPad Air

It's just not workable

Next day I went out to buy another iPad Pro 12.9
A painful move but there is no other option for me
A4 sized sheets, brilliant. 

Pino

[Thecooltool]

It is the extrapolation of one's own judgments to others. There was always a prophet of the apocalypse for every new Tyros from 1 to 5. Now it's the turn to predict the end and defeat for the Genos line

[sugarplumsss]

Tyros 5 go back to!!

The guys a nutter!!

Genos is an unbelievable Instrument. You can shape almost everything.
It has take me some time to get used to the Genos.
Once you get the right can opener you are steaming ahead

Question for Grey Fox-----------------"are you Australian"??

All the best
John

What precisely is a nutter, anyway?         

You say, "Genos can shape almost everything".
Two big gripes, BIG ( large size )  gripes I have with my T4:

1. the 8 sliders for volume, are the worst in the world of keyboards in my long experience. My 20 year old Kurzweil was leagues under the sea superior.

2. The fact that you cannot properly even begin to "shape" the decay on the basses. $5000 and I cannot even begin to decay the bass!

My T4 basses ( I mainly use Lo Bass , played manually- a decent sounding bass, save the lack of decay- and forget Voice Set is a waste of time to that end ) at the end of a song, has
zero decay. I have to physically attenuate ( drop the volume ) the Left Bass at the end of a song.. because there is no decay on the bass. Trust me, I have discussed this with more than one tech support person.. it simply is not in the design of the Tyros.
- CAN the Genos create a half way decent decay on eg a bass voice?

Disclaimer: I am a professional bass player and keyboardist ( former sax ) and I am much more conscious of bass than most.

The only possible excuse for the miserable failures that the 8 volume sliders (directly under the screen), is the fact that their travel is so short. That might be the excuse.

-How is Genos in this respect?

And how much cash in USA with a trade of my T4 for the Genos without speakers.. approx?

Thanks

[Joe H]

What precisely is a nutter, anyway?         

I think the American English translation is:  "Nut Job"

Joe H

[Will49]

What precisely is a nutter, anyway?

Try this...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/nutter

[sugarplumsss]

Yes yes, now I know what a nutter is.. most grateful. Now that I know, I will be very
watchful for these nutter types... they sound a bit dangerous.

Has the decay functionality for a Voice, been improved since the Tyros 4?