Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5

[Pino]

I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
'Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything' 

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn't have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino

[guitpic1]

I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
'Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything' 

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn't have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino

Korg PA4X is an outstanding keyboard...I'd still be gigging with mine if Genos hadn't come along.  Some music folks selling the PA4X, are in fact, retiring from the Music business or cutting back.

Don't know about the Tyros5, I gigged with a Tyros4.  For me, any way, both the PA4X and Genos were a big step up from the Tyros4.  That said, my Tyros4 was impressive to me coming from a PSR S950.

Looking at the title, it appears you are selling your Genos?

[ash1]

i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this

[Bud2]

I honestly don't see any reason whatsoever why anyone would want to sell their Genos, I have had no problems at all with it, it just does things slightly different but just take your time and everything will become clear. If you are having any problems please just ask for a little help on here or any other forum you are a member of, there are enough people to help you but please don't give up as you would be missing the best keyboard, in my opinion, that Yamaha have produced.

[EileenL]

I fully agree Bill,
Genos is a brilliant keyboard and just needs a little time to adjust to.

[Antonio]

Eileen,

you always manage to be understanding and tranquilizing like a camomile,  but in this case Pino is right, who must work must have a keyboard immediately operational and not a Genos still unfinished. Big beautiful keyboard but immature and difficult.

Pino this time I agree with you. 

Regards

[Gunnar Jonny]

I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
'Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything' 

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn't have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino

My guess, or probably it will be a fact, is that therer are very few that will leave Genos if already bought one.
There will be more people going forward to T5 from older models, I see the used ones sell quite fast.

PA4X as well as Genos is a supeb keyboard, just as all TOTL arrangers. But there may be personal preferences to fill that's not in all of the models. Just like shoes, one size don't fit all.
If you've been at several fora for a while, you will see that very often, or maybe always, users tend to say: 'what I have now is the best'. Simple as that.
I dont' know how many you know that has sold PA4 or other arrangers, but this is the human nature, sell and buy new. Specially if you can afford to do so.
As you know, the grass is ALWAYS greener at the other side of the fence. But when you're over there, what side are most green? Yeah, the other side. 

My guess is that not many already bought Genos will return to T5, but when a new Genos or whatever see the light, many will go ahead for new challenges.
Myself, it's no secret that I've not been much Yamaha fan, not even when I had the T4. But, to be honest, Genos is in my ears and eyes the best arranger from Yamaha so far. It do fill my needs, knowledge and bad talent, and that's what matters, not what everybody or many others did, do or does. I'm loving it more and more for each day when play and explore.
If I deside to sell, it will not be because it's not any good arranger, but simply because there some other or new challenges down the road that try to catch my attention. A Korg PA?X or Genos 2, who cares?

But as you say, only time will tell. 

[mikf]

I doubt there will be many who decide to go backwards. When I got my CVP I also had some frustration with the differences to a PSR, but it settled down and I much prefer it.
I also think that this inferred assumption that is being made on almost every post that people who bought a Genos upgraded from T5 is probably wrong. Many will have upgraded from much earlier models, or competitive brands, or even that it might be their first real TOTL arranger. Seems to me that here have been far too many Genos bought for them to have mostly come from prior T5 owners.
Mike 

[valimaties]

I doubt there will be many who decide to go backwards. When I got my CVP I also had some frustration with the differences to a PSR, but it settled down and I much prefer it.
I also think that this inferred assumption that is being made on almost every post that people who bought a Genos upgraded from T5 is probably wrong. Many will have upgraded from much earlier models, or competitive brands, or even that it might be their first real TOTL arranger. Seems to me that here have been far too many Genos bought for them to have mostly come from prior T5 owners.
Mike

I definitely don't go back to Tyros 5. There are a lot of reasons I chose Genos, that I don't even want to think about "reversing"

Regards,
Vali

[Gandalf43]

Hi friends,

a matter of fact I've never read so much contrarieties 
about a keyboard !!

Not with introduction of the T3 not with the introduction of T4 and definitely
not with introduction of the lovely Tyros 5  Made in Japan !!

Just and only because of that discussion I will not buy that Genos even if it could
fly , dance  and / or prepare delicious meals.........and its not a question of money !!

Best Regards
Udo

[Fred Smith]

Just and only because of that discussion I will not buy that Genos even if it could
fly , dance  and / or prepare delicious meals.........and its not a question of money !!

You're making a mistake.

Fred

[Gunnar Jonny]

.... Not with introduction of the T3 not with the introduction of T4 and definitely
not with introduction of the lovely Tyros 5  .....

If Yamaha continued the design and named it Tyros 6, the waste majority of T owners would probably sing Hallelujah and be happy whatsoever from the first minute.
Well, except from me of course ..
New look, touchscreen and updated OS may give some users new challenges to adapt and learn to master this music machine the way we are used to.
I don't want my Genos to be a copy of what I had, but use what there is and try improve and rebuild my stuff to sound as best as I possibly can the Genos way.

I think the bottom line are, if you're happy with what you have and how it works and sounds, why change?
Enjoy and keep it. If not happy, look for other solutions. What name or brand don't  really matter as long as it serves your taste and needs.

Despite of the few negative comments I've made in other threads, I'm in fact very happy with the introduction of the lovely Genos.

[DrakeM]

NOBODY would ever do that ...... go back to a T5 ever.

[StuartR]

You're making a mistake.

Fred

I agree with Fred. Big mistake...

[Bachus]

I wonder how many people will go back to Tyros 5 after 1 year

Last year the Korg Pa4x was a big favourite.
'Best keyboard ever,- last keyboard I will ever buy,- got everything' 

Nearly everyone I know that bought a Korg Pa4x has sold them
Including the big players on synthzone

Couldn't have been that good

I see many people struggling with Genos
Will they go back to the Wonderful T5

Only time will tell,

Pino

Pa4x is still an incrdible keyboard and i am still playing and loving it.
And so is the Genos, which is even better then the pa4x in many ways, but not all.

I have no clue why anyone would want to step back from Genos to T5?
It clearly sounds more alive then the Tyros 5
And on the few ocasions i played one, the interface felt quite intuitive.
And all your T5 performances and expansion packs still work on Genos.

The only reason i can think of to own a T5 imstead of a Genos is a financial one.

[EileenL]

Hi Antonio,
  Who says Genos is unfinished.

[Dromeus]

You're making a mistake.

VERY BIG mistake, Udo.

[KeyboardByBiggs]

Hi Antonio,
  Who says Genos is unfinished.

LOL I know, I'm getting really tired of hearing this.

[stephenm52]

Pa4x is still an incrdible keyboard and i am still playing and loving it.
And so is the Genos, which is even better then the pa4x in many ways, but not all.

I have no clue why anyone would want to step back from Genos to T5?
It clearly sounds more alive then the Tyros 5
And on the few ocasions i played one, the interface felt quite intuitive.
And all your T5 performances and expansion packs still work on Genos.

The only reason i can think of to own a T5 imstead of a Genos is a financial one.

I too have a Pa4x and will not sell it, no reason to it's a great keyboard  I'm blessed I also have a Genos and there's no way I would ever go back T5.     

I agree with Fred Smith "You're making a mistake."

[Will49]

i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this

Hi. I'm afraid it was not my intention to say thanks for this post. My finger touched the 'Say Thanks' button accidentally.. got to be careful with these touch screens sometimes!! Anyhow, what people should/should not post  doesn't concern me.

Regards,
Will

[attachment deleted by admin]

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

i think you should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this

I am definitely over the  hill at 83 so I may be wrong, but i am surprised at how emotional we can be about something like a keyboard, that will at best be with us for 10 years as most people want to have the latest technology.  My father gave me his 1923  Steinway grand piano so it has soon been in the family for 100 years and as a fact it has not become obsolete like so much of what we have acquired during our life time.  My children are over 50 and they have a very emotional connection with the Steinway, not because  of its wonderful sound  and fantastic touch but because when they were small we would sit under it when I read Winnie the Pooh for them.  But why do people get upset because someone is pondering whether  people might go back to Tyros ?  I actually have a YAMAHA 5700 I bought in the last century,  and  it has some Styles that I consider  have never been equaled.  "You should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this" Can anyone explain to me what was wrong with the posting and what and whose peace is being disturbed ?

[Snicker740]

Pino.
No one can deny the Genos sound completely superior to the Tyros 5.
It is a completely new keyboard, a new generation is born. So when using do not bring habits in the old generation to compare.
If you find it has a lot of bugs in the operating system, write it down because Yamaha keeps silently watching to fix it - I suppose because of the 1.20 update that shows that Yamaha has really listened to the owners Genos.
And if you want to split it up to return to Tyros 5 because you think it is difficult to use, you can not master it, then this mistake belongs to you, not Genos. Music and technology are growing day by day, if you do not change to adapt, you will be left behind and have to live with the old.
Best regards

[Pino]

You guys here are technically minded and computer literate
3 of my 25 students have purchased Genos
None of them can hardly set the time on their mobile phones
They just had more money than sense

They had got used to Tyros ways
Now they regretted the purchase

Im not knocking Genos
It's not for everyone
I'm not saying any more than that.

[Fred Smith]

You guys here are technically minded and computer literate
3 of my 25 students have purchased Genos
None of them can hardly set the time on their mobile phones
They just had more money than sense

They had got used to Tyros ways
Now they regretted the purchase

Im not knocking Genos
It's not for everyone
I'm not saying any more than that.

If they're your students, why don't you help them out with their Genos?

Fred

[Pino]

Snicker 740

Re; if you do not change to adapt, you will be left behind and have to live with the old.

I have 10 different keyboards, Yamaha, Ketron, Korg, Roland

I've just recorded this song on my oldest keyboard, PSR S910

https://app.box.com/s/383vr0pfyan3ddxtl0ollc74e7w28g5x

I know the Genos sounds brilliant but does the S910 sound very old?

Regards
Pino

[Bachus]

If they're your students, why don't you help them out with their Genos?

Fred

Thats what a good teacher would do, i asume..
But this requires the teacher to be an expert on the subject..

Also keep in mind that there are fast learners and slow learners..
But in the end everyone will learn..
if the teacher can only keep his pupils enthousiastic and motivated.

In the end, a teacher also needs to realise that when he himself is nagative about something
His pupils, who have him in high regards, will mark his opinion as the truth..

[metcam]

I definitely don't go back to Tyros 5. There are a lot of reasons I chose Genos, that I don't even want to think about "reversing"

Regards,
Vali

That is right Vali. Same here... 

Regards.

[rattley]

Im curious...........If someone never played a Tyros 5 or Genos........would one be any harder to learn than the other??    -charley

[Pianoman]

If they're your students, why don't you help them out with their Genos?

Fred

If I have understood correctly, I think Pino is talking about MUSIC students.

[travlin-easy]

Charlie, I believe the learning curve would be about the same. The OS is pretty much the same as my now ancient S-950, and the S-950 was a piece of cake to learn when coming up from a PSR-3000. Not all that much has changed over the years.

All the best,

Gary