Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5

[Lee Batchelor]

Then again, Peter Baartmans uses a fair amount of background sounds on any arranger he demonstrates. Is he cheating? No, he's a great player who shines whether he plays in a band or with an arranger keyboard. In fact, since moving to the Genos, even my playing has become slightly better.

Folks, I've played live stage for for about 30 years. In that time, I have been in some amazing bands and some pretty crappy ones where their timing sucked and there were a lot of poor or incorrect chords. Playing with really good players is the same as being backed by an accurate and well designed arranger keyboard. In both cases, you play better. For the purist piano player, you can set the Fingering mode of the Tyros or Genos to suit your needs. Yamaha and other companies have achieved a very difficult goal: they produced a keyboard for beginners right up to experts. That's rare.

I'd wager there's a ton of people who would never have thought about playing a keyboard if the arranger had not been perfected. It's quite a contrast to some of the piano teachers of the 60s who would smack your fingers if you didn't play the scales correctly! I've met a lot of people who took lessons in that environment and quit because of it. The arranger gives them a new lease on their musical lives - at any age.

My favorite saying: if everyone on the planet played a musical instrument or sang, we wouldn't need police officers or armies.

[Pino]

Eileen, you are correct
But don't you think that it is partly Yamaha's fault

This was a good time to build a new keyboard from the ground up

Yamaha is content to only give us some new sounds and some new styles
yes, I agree, the new touch screen is better
But we wanted more from this new range of keyboards

This is an arranger keyboard
We need the tools to easily edit voices, edit styles, edit drums, edit E record.(quantise etc.)
Record into a proper sequencer with a piano roll similar to what we had with 'Technics and Roland and easy connect to outside software like 'Cubase,

I already have excellent sounds, even the drums can be tunes to what I want.
The sounds on the Tyros and PSR's are good
I just needed the tools for easy edits to what I have already got

Style edit, voice edit, drum edit and 16 track sequencer should have been a joy to use by now.
I think Yamaha is working on iPad apps right now, I hope so.

Yamaha had a great opportunity to build a new keyboard from the ground up

They missed that opportunity

Just my 2 cents

[Antonio]

Dear Pino,

I like you I was very angry, and I'm still pissed off for the silly things that Yamaha does, but with the 1.20 upgrade they have partially put in place those stupidities that make the keyboard in some ways a shame.

Apart from that it will last a couple of months and you will see that the keyboard will be acceptable to us demanding guys.

So do not you too a stupid worthy of Yamaha to sell an unfinished product ........ so much the Genos who buys it ??
All in all despite its deficiencies, it is the best keyboard in the market.

Courage after Easter will give us the version 1.92 you say? and you will please Eileen that you keep the Genos !!!


spero che il traduttore funzioni bene!!

[guitpic1]

Interesting thread.

Re: Lee's comment about new players, I'm one.  I'm a guitar player who has had a great time playing arranger...though I'm not the best player. But I wouldn't have tried to learn keyboard at all starting out in my 60's if it hadn't been for Yamaha arrangers.

To those of you who think Yamaha missed the boat building Genos from the ground up....

If you want something totally different...buy something different.  I bought a PA4X, very different from Yamaha...new OS to learn and all.  However, as great as the PA4X is, I missed the voices and styles of Yamaha....also missed the registration system.

Yamaha made just enough changes in Genos that got me to switch back.  Things like a touch screen, lighter keyboard, playlist, assignable knobs and sliders, a very upgradeable OS...well the list goes on.

Yamaha, IMHO, did the Genos in a very smart way, making huge changes in the structure of the board yet keeping those things that brought me back to Yamaha.

Like I said, if you want something different...buy something different.  Get a Korg PA4X, Roland arranger, or buy a stage piano and add a Ketron SD40 or Roland BK 9(I think that's what it's called).

I'm not suggesting that those posting shouldn't offer constructive suggestions, that's helpful. 

But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn't and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.

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[EileenL]

I have to agree with you there. No one twisted our arm to buy Genos. It was our choice and we should not be made to feel inferior because we are happy with it. I want mine to act like a keyboard and play it as such. I don't want to try to add bits and pieces to it and run it through different programmes. I understand people that do but do not blame the keyboard if it will not work for you and then say it is bugs. Find out from Yamaha if what you want to do is possible. Any one who knows me will know that that I have always done all my editing on my various keyboards and for me Genos is no different. Top marks to Yamaha for retaining an operating system that we all know.

[Joe H]

But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn't and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.

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I agree with most of what you say but... I wouldn't bet the farm on statement above. Yamaha do  listen.

The current Genos is far from being the final product.  The users and players will tell Yamaha what they want see added. They took this new approach with the Montage and Genos both.

Joe H

[Pino]

Guitpick, isn't that strange, I just bought a Ketron SD-40 a while ago and I will Midi it to my S970 and I sold a Roland BK9 last years, a very good keyboard.

My main boards have been Yamaha since Technics finished, I know the OS pretty well and can do 'workarounds' if needed, all I'm saying is that Yamaha should go back and sort out the editing side before concentrating on more sound advancement.

Shouldn't drum editing be a little bit more up to date at 2018, something with pads or drums on the screen, similar to the photo?.

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[Bud2]

I admit I am not a professioal player but I have had all the Tyros's since Tyros 2 and I now have the Genos, however I have never seen so much unhappy and fault finding in any of the Tyros's like I am seeing with the Genos. I have always made my own registrations and the only Tyros I had to do the most work with was the Tyros 5 because I thought and some people have agreed with me that the OTS on the Tyros 5 were the worst I have come across since the Tyros 2, however with the Genos I have a lot less to do to make my Registrations what I want so as far as I am concerned the Genos is great and on top of this, in my opinion and others, the sound system which comes with the Genos is the first one worthy of being attached to the top of the range keyboard. Just my view on this Genos.
Bill

[gerarde]

I think there are 2 types of arranger players.
One type does a lot of editing and one type that does not.
I fall into the second type that does not do a lot of editing.
I had a TYROS 4, Tyros 5-76 and a PSR S970.
I took all the styles I had from those keyboards, mainly purchased song styles and changed the drums on most of them to REVO drums and on many changed to better sounding bass guitars, etc.
It was easy to do.
Everything I had on my Tyros's and the PSR, I have on the Genos and much much more.
I do not need to do extensive editing, I just want my styles to be as close to the song as I can get, without spending hours and hours of tweaking.
I feel that many, many arranger players are like me.
I am so happy with the new pianos, REVO drums and sound processing.
So, much of this editing that some posts state that they want is not a bug in Genos, it is a "I wish it was there", and in some cases state, "It should be there, it is not complete without it there".
The Tyros was complete for what it would do.
The PSR S970 was complete for what it would do.
And the Genos is complete for what it can do, and satisfies, I feel, the majority of owners.
And the good news is that it is definitely better than all its predecessors.
My 2 cents worth,

Gerard

[Joe H]

I'm a bit surprised by all the "black and white" thinking.   Life is made up of millions of colors.  I guess some folks are just colored-blind.

If one is not detailed, they will never appreciate what it takes to produce a beautiful painting, fine classical piece of music, a distinctive piece of architecture or even classic piece of period furniture, etc.



Joe H

[Pianoman]

There is no substitute for talent. Industry and all its virtues are of no avail.

Aldous Huxley

[travlin-easy]

Well guys and gals, I must agree with my friend Abby. From my perspective, over the years and having owned many, many arranger keyboards, I have never seen this much hostility and controversy expressed over any musical instrument.

And, as I have stated many times in the past, the primary function of this forum is, and always has been, to provide assistance to those in need. Yes, Yamaha does monitor this site and from what I have been told, they consider it among the top arranger keyboard sites on the internet. Over the years, they have responded positively to most consumers requests. I consider them to be among the very best arranger keyboard manufactures in this respect. No other manufacturer has provided us with the support and attention that Yamaha has in my lifetime.

Please keep your replies civil,

Gary

[Denn]

My Tyros 4
To the tune of "Put Your Sweet Lips a little closer to the Phone"

I'm so glad that you have answered all my posts
The Genos and the Korg are now just ghosts,
I've heard the songs and sounds that you all play
So now, my Tyros 4 just has to stay.

You say the sounds and tones are oh so good
And at the price you pay they really should
But touching screens and toggle sticks are not my way
So now, my Tyros 4 is here to stay.

I have played my alto sax a lot and it is sweet and low
I have tweaked my real strings again and they are oh so slow

They say that "want," like love, can make you blind
So the Genos and the Korg are not my kind
I've seen the pics and heard the sounds that's all I'll say
So now, my Tyros 4 just has to stay.


Link to the tune.
https://app.box.com/s/qjawqqpcyahg178l8bwxvjwnq61lksyq

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[Pino]

Yes Gary, you have the last word.

And thank you for all your valuable contributions to the PSR community
over the years.

Best Regards

Pino

[EileenL]

Yes Gary Yamaha do listen and if they think a suggestion will work well for everyone they will do there best to incorporate it but there are limits. You can not provide everything most of which would only be used by the few and I am sure most people would not want to pay for something they do not use. I think we may see some Ipad apps coming along that may enable different uses.

[wolfram]

Yes ,Eileen & Gerard.The genos is a super machine and even better than the tyros5.
I have no troubles with the Genos since i have it(30/10/2017
regards,
wolfram

[dinapoli]

Interesting thread.

Re: Lee's comment about new players, I'm one.  I'm a guitar player who has had a great time playing arranger...though I'm not the best player. But I wouldn't have tried to learn keyboard at all starting out in my 60's if it hadn't been for Yamaha arrangers.

To those of you who think Yamaha missed the boat building Genos from the ground up....

If you want something totally different...buy something different.  I bought a PA4X, very different from Yamaha...new OS to learn and all.  However, as great as the PA4X is, I missed the voices and styles of Yamaha....also missed the registration system.

Yamaha made just enough changes in Genos that got me to switch back.  Things like a touch screen, lighter keyboard, playlist, assignable knobs and sliders, a very upgradeable OS...well the list goes on.

Yamaha, IMHO, did the Genos in a very smart way, making huge changes in the structure of the board yet keeping those things that brought me back to Yamaha.

Like I said, if you want something different...buy something different.  Get a Korg PA4X, Roland arranger, or buy a stage piano and add a Ketron SD40 or Roland BK 9(I think that's what it's called).

I'm not suggesting that those posting shouldn't offer constructive suggestions, that's helpful. 

But it seems to me that some folks want the Genos to be something it isn't and never will be. Those folks should look at buying something different than Genos.

😊For many years I used the Tyros 1 and 3, I was looking for a lighter keyboard.  I got a Ketron Audya 4 Arranger Modula, midied it with a Yamaha keyboard.  The styles of the Audya are good the voices are OK, now it takes longer to set-up, having back problem it is not easy to carry more items.  I was reading about GENOS the new arranger. does anyone knows a link where I can hear all the styles of this new arranger? 

Thank you
Gino

[Joe H]

... These modern arrangers may make some of us sound better than we did years ago, but it's not necessarily due to our playing ability as a lot of it is down to all that pre-recorded stuff jangling away inside the keyboard! Proper/"real musicians" are those who can turn all of that stuff off... and still sound amazing!

Best regards,
Will49

That's a valid point of view, but when we try to make our own styles and Multi Pads... things change.  While the Preset styles can be referred to as "canned music" creating our own styles is not. The process of creating the entire music ourselves... That takes talent and skill. And when we play our own styles and Multi Pads it is our own music... all of it. 



Joe H

[dont811]

If they are starting from scratch, I think the Genos is easier to learn, because it has a touch screen, which most people find more intuitive (witness the popularity of the iPad).Fred   

OMG Fred,  You're "...because it has a touch screen."  makes my mouth salivate simply because I, just last night, began playing my  Korg I-30 WITH the touch screen. You see, my S910 had major issues with it's memory as I was attempting to change .rgt. It caused me to have a meltdown right at the beginning of the night. I had only wished I had my I-30 along for backup.  "because it has a touch screen..."  I have to look the Genos up just for kicks. Thanks, Don

[8t8KEEZ]

The Yamaha Genos, and I have one, reminds me VERY much like the old Yamaha Organ Electones ... as well as the Lowrey Magic Genies or whatever those organs were that did all these sounds and sounded like a full orchestra....

In my opinion - The Genos is just that ... a single manual electone .... that's all ... nothing more ... nothing less ... I have ALWAYS been somewhat dissapointed with the Tyros ... and now, the Genos. As mentioned in a different thread I posted in, my Motif has the sequencer I want in the Genos ... primarily because in the Motif, you can record a "tempo" track, as well as have a single song that contains different time signature ... songs like 10,000 Reasons, which intermixes 4/4 with 2/4, and and Everlasting God, which does the same type of thing ....

Now - perhaps, through registration usage, this could be accomplished ... "maybe" ... I have to experiment ...

But - don't get me wrong ... I like the Genos ... I'm just not pleased calling it an arranger workstation ... because ... it isn't... I see a lot of older generations have this keyboard ... "why?" because it's easy to play ... You could play chords with one finger ...