Genos for sale - Back to Tyros 5

[guitpic1]

There's an answer for folks that have trouble with technology but still like keys....it's called an acoustic piano.  That's what my brother plays and he is very good.

[Pianoman]

I am definitely over the  hill at 83 so I may be wrong, but i am surprised at how emotional we can be about something like a keyboard, that will at best be with us for 10 years as most people want to have the latest technology.  My father gave me his 1923  Steinway grand piano so it has soon been in the family for 100 years and as a fact it has not become obsolete like so much of what we have acquired during our life time.  My children are over 50 and they have a very emotional connection with the Steinway, not because  of its wonderful sound  and fantastic touch but because when they were small we would sit under it when I read Winnie the Pooh for them.  But why do people get upset because someone is pondering whether  people might go back to Tyros ?  I actually have a YAMAHA 5700 I bought in the last century,  and  it has some Styles that I consider  have never been equaled.  "You should leave the Genos owners in peace and stop posting topics like this" Can anyone explain to me what was wrong with the posting and what and whose peace is being disturbed ?

There is a lot of wisdom in your post Kaarlo.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[Fred Smith]

Im curious...........If someone never played a Tyros 5 or Genos........would one be any harder to learn than the other??    -charley

If they are starting from scratch, I think the Genos is easier to learn, because it has a touch screen, which most people find more intuitive (witness the popularity of the iPad).

Fred

[mikf]

I agree with Fred, I have a CVP with a touch screen and had a PSR before. Moving from one to the other took a bit of getting used to, but starting from scratch the CVP would have been easier. The PSR /Tyros range was no picnic to grasp when it was new. That's why this forum exists!
Mike

[Will49]

I agree with Fred.....

Hi Mike. Completely off topic, I know, but why repeat the same post?

Kind regards,
Will

[Pianoman]

Pino's post makes sense in a different way.

The way I see it is that either people are scooping up new T5s,
whose prices have probably
become cheaper, due to the arrival of Genos,
or buying used ones.

I'm not sure however, that there would be that many used T5s to satisfy demand.
The T5 was considered a formidable keyboard just 6 months ago here,
and continues to be so.

The fact that Genos prices have gone from 4499 Euros to 3590€
(909 € cheaper) may indicate that:

1) People are still happy with their current keyboard, and have chosen to keep it.

2) They couldn't afford the initial price, and are waiting for a lower price.

3) They are buying something completely different.

4) They are waiting for the issues that we read about everyday right here,
to be resolved.

Prices going down usually indicate that something is not selling in the
desired quantities.

Below are the current Genos prices here.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.


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[Joe H]

... (witness the popularity of the iPad).

Fred

That may be true for many but not all persons.  I like to look at lists.  I recently searched for Windows 10 screen shots on the internet and was appalled by how ugly it looked.  Not everyone's brain is wired the same way.  I find touch screens to be unnatural.

Joe H

[DerekA]

I think they went in with a high price to pick up the market from people for whom price isn't really an issue, then it's dropping back to pick up the more cautious buyers.

After the demo I attended back in November, my dealer told me he'd taken orders in double figures. And that was the first time any of the audience there had ever even seen a real Genos.

Seems like a good strategy if you can get away with it!

[Joe H]

... Seems like a good strategy if you can get away with it!

Yes, I think Yamaha has gone the way of Microsoft and Apple... it's whatever you can get away with.  Look what they did by releasing the PSR S975.

Joe H

[J. Larry]

From Pianoman's post, I'm a #1 and #3.  Keeping my S970 for now, but added a second arranger from a different manufacturer.  The Genos may be great, for sure.  However, I prefer 61-note boards for their size, weight, portability, ease of transportation in the back seat, and playing in very tight, restrictive settings----which seems to be where I wind up most of the time.  And, they perform admirably for what I do.

[JohnH]

PINO-----Your  recording of--The Nearness of You----on your 910--is beautiful !!     I've had the--910---970--now the Genos----most people probably wouldn't know or hear the difference in theses keyboards, only musicians could tell ------I've been a musician many years---what changes in these keyboards is the authentic sounds of drums, horns, pianos, etc----I've had my Genos 3 months & just now getting it  to sound & work the way i want it----all keyboards have a learning curve--Do i like the Genos--YES !!---ENJOY your music---I liked the extra notes you put in your recording-----JohnH

[EileenL]

Yes Genos is a great keyboard and is still selling very well. I don't know anyone who paid the full asking price when it first appeared which I think was round about £4300 in UK. If you do not have the speakers then it is cheaper also. Don't forget it can also go the other way and Yamaha usually do raise prices after a while.

[Joe H]

Snicker 740

Re; if you do not change to adapt, you will be left behind and have to live with the old.

I have 10 different keyboards, Yamaha, Ketron, Korg, Roland

I've just recorded this song on my oldest keyboard, PSR S910

https://app.box.com/s/383vr0pfyan3ddxtl0ollc74e7w28g5x

I know the Genos sounds brilliant but does the S910 sound very old?

Regards
Pino

Pino,

Nice job on Nearness of You.

The S910 is a great sounding keyboard.   I wanted the expansion capabilities so I sold my S910 to upgrade to the S970 which is also a great sounding keyboard with new features, more Voices, an arpeggiator and expansion memory.



Joe H

[mikf]

Hi Mike. Completely off topic, I know, but why repeat the same post?

Will
Just an error, must have iaccidentally touched post when I was doing a spell check
Mike

[panos]

Sorry to interfere,I 've just thinking that maybe the topic's title is a litlle bit misleading if someone doesn't want to sell his instrument.
Perhaps the use of an "?" at the end of the sentence could be more well suited for this topic,if the author wish to change it.

[Dnj]

Enjoy what you play this is so silly,...just make music your own way with whatever you like.
That said when does GENOS2 & PA5x come to market?....just sayin'.........

[Grayfox]

Don't know why some people think it's not selling well..... your very much mistaken.
One Man Band at Banbury have sold 200 so far so world wide the sales must be colossal.
I suppose there might be 1% of people don't like it and most of them probably haven't tried one.
Graham

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Tyros 5 go back to!!

The guys a nutter!!

Genos is an unbelievable Instrument. You can shape almost everything.
It has take me some time to get used to the Genos.
Once you get the right can opener you are steaming ahead

Question for Grey Fox-----------------"are you Australian"??

All the best
John

[Grayfox]

I can't get off it, I've spent at least six hours on it today, just fantastic.
Graham

[Grayfox]

By the way John, my picture ain't upside down.
I live near Lichfield.
Graham

[mikf]

It I s a little amusing to see how many posts there have been here over the last 6 months telling Yamaha how much they have screwed this up - bad advertising campaign, this bug, that bug, sound and features below expectations etc etc . The fact is Yamaha are probably celebrating a massive success. I would not be surprised if it has not put the arranger market front and center in keyboard sales.
One possible reason pianoman did not mention for falling prices is high volume of sales. If I was in the market for a new portable arranger today I would definitely buy a Genos. That does not mean it's perfect, or that previous models or competitive models are bad - just that on balance it's arguably the best out there right now. That never lasts forever though.
Mike

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Graham
I will have to go to Specsavers now!!!

By the way Graham, Swindon will hammer Cheltenham on Saturday  "come on you reds"!!!


All the Best
john

[Will49]

]Just an error, must have iaccidentally touched post when I was doing a spell check

Ah, ok. I had noticed though that the first one contained a small typo (which had been corrected in the second one) and was going to point out that you could have used the 'Modify' button, then hit 'Save'. You could also delete the first one with the 'Remove' button.

Kind regards,
Will

[Will49]

The guys a nutter!!

Hi John. Hmm, not sure that it's fair to call him a "nutter"! You see, Tyros 5 was (and still is) an awsome arranger for many people, and they might also refer to all you guys who (in their minds) have been complete nutters to part with such a huge sum of money for what they feel is such a small improvement. Believe it or not, there are some out there who feel that the Tyros 5 is just as good as the Genos any day, and that certain aspects of it even suits them better for what they do... but I certainly wouldn't say they're "nutters"! 😉

Best regards,
Will

[Afton72]

   Pino,   
                 Your rendition of Nearness Of You  is beautiful,  I just sat back in the chair & closed my eyes, & let it soothe it's way in.
            Thank You,
                                Alan

[Pino]

Thank you Alan
That was done straight, Styles only, on the S910

That is my point
You do not need a Genos to make good music

My original point was that keyboards are getting more complicated every new upgrade
Same happened with the Korg Pa4x, too much time editing,
Going back to a keyboard that we know means "playing more"
I now see some of my students spending 70% of their time editing and not playing.


Ugawoga

You may be right, as u say, maybe I am a 'nutter', but I am a good musician

YOU have spent a lot of time and money on your Genos, speakers and Cubase

Please send some music here, preferably the same song
So that we can compare exactly on how much better your new setup is

It's about playing music at the end of the day, isn't it?



https://app.box.com/s/383vr0pfyan3ddxtl0ollc74e7w28g5x

[Joe H]

It has been said that how we view others is a "grand projection".  (we each wear our own colored glasses) We can only view the world through our own eyes and interpret it through our own consciousness.  It may be true that sometimes people are "perceptive"... but most often it is just a grand projection.



Joe H

[Dromeus]

By the way John, my picture ain't upside down.
I live near Lichfield.

Hi Graham

I guess you have to be British to get the joke. Would you mind to enlighten me. all I found was Quaker George Fox shouting: ,,Woe to the bloody city of Lichfield!" 

[Pianoman]

Yes Genos is a great keyboard and is still selling very well. I don't know anyone who paid the full asking price when it first appeared which I think was round about £4300 in UK. If you do not have the speakers then it is cheaper also. Don't forget it can also go the other way and Yamaha usually do raise prices after a while.

3590 Euros is equivalent to 3200£, a saving of 1100£.

This should be a a fairer price for many people who don't own a Genos yet,
but are leaning towards  buying one.

Best Regards.
Pianoman.

[Tyros5Mad]

Genos is Genius!

Only Day 5 with this great machine and already hooked completely. Tyros 5 is now up for sale.

Richard