emc styleworks with Genos error help!!

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Does any computer wizard on this forum knows what this is---

This is on latest update. 9.99
I get an error    INVALID_DEVICE_NAME 263() when importing a midi file into Yamaha emc styleworks
Does anyone know what this means as i may have to go back to Klaus at Emc.


All the best
John

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

hI
I have written to EMC now as i think that  something is  wrong with the program on these latest windows updates.

All the best
john

[Nickt5]

Hi Ugawoga,

I use Styleworks with the GENOS config settings. I'll import a midi file and see if I get an error - maybe you could send me your midi file and i could try that one as well - assuming there are no copyright issues with you providing that file to me.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Nick

I got a reply from Laus of EMC and he said the problem is with Windows 10.
He gave me a workaround using Winamp.
For a £200 program i am flabbergasted at this .
You know as well as i know that Winamp would only produce a kids toy sound from midi.
EMC Yamaha XT  used to trigger the genos sound and that allows you to get some realism.
He did not say to me that this will be fixed and to me that is not good enough.
I want Styleworks to trigger the Genos ,not Winamp or windows 10 media player.
Also the program is slow to respond giving you a blue circle for about 10seconds before action
I have an I7 multicore machine that works superfast with Cubase and other programs

When I go to the edit on  the details screen to plus or minus the transpose nothing works in Neutral as it should.

I should be able to ue Workstation 1 in the midi properties , but that invalid error keeps popping up.
So the way Klaus has instructed me it does not matter if you use Tyos 1234 or Genos as all would go through winamp.
TOTAL FRUSTRATION!!!

I just feel that i have been ripped off.
Why Klaus never gave me any confidence in saying we will fix this i do not know

Well that is it for now


All the best
John just a little annoyed.

[overover]

Hi John,

please make sure that you really have installed the current Version of Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver. For Windows 10 (64-bit) it is V3.1.4 (64-bit). (The name of the downloaded zip file is "um3141x64.zip"):

https://usa.yamaha.com/support/updates/umd_win64_kbd.html

If you are in doubt, I recommend to simply re-install this driver once more. (Connect the Genos to the PC via a USB cable, BEFORE starting the driver installation!)


You could also just try using an external "USB to DIN-MIDI" interface. This should work in any case. (Connect the MIDI OUT of the Interface to the DIN-MIDI A IN of the Genos, so that it works the same as when using the "Digital Workstation 1" port of the USB-MIDI driver.)


Best regards,
Chris

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Chris
I will give that a shot and come back  later.
The Yamaha driver is working ok driver  and Mike Bedeseems mixmaster plays the midi file in question 100% from Genos sounds
In the EMC Styleworks i open midi  config and i cannot get workstation 1 to show  and  i have Genos checked in the start box .
The set up is right , but just with the Yamaha driver installe it should d show up like it does in Mixmaster and that's a free program which makes me annoyed.
Midi works ok in Cubase and i also have the Cubase CC121 controller which needs the Yamaha driver..
Something is definely wrong in EMC XT Styleworks
If i open up my focusrite 6i6  and go through that ,Workstation 1 shows up in the midi config.
I choose Workstation 1 and when i play the midi file  i get that error            INVALID_DEVICE_NAME 263()
I ran the compatibility wizard and that cannot solve the problem.

All i can think is that win 10 update has messed the EMC program up with updates.

All the Best
John


All the Best
John

[overover]

... This is on latest update. 9.99
I get an error    INVALID_DEVICE_NAME 263() when importing a midi file into Yamaha emc styleworks
Does anyone know what this means as i may have to go back to Klaus at Emc. ...

If this error is only reported when the Genos actually is NOT connected via USB-MIDI to the PC, I recommend the following:

• In Windows Explorer open the folder "C:\Program Files (x86)\<Style Works folder>\System",

• then double-click the file "PLWMidiMap.cpl" that should be in that folder "System").

• This should open a "MIDI Mapper" window. Make sure that the "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth" is set as "Standard Device" there (because this is the only MIDI Device that is ALWAYS available).

• Close that "MIDI Mapper", connect the Genos via USB-MIDI to the PC, then start "Style Works" program, go to "Configuration ---> MIDI Settings" and select "Digital Workstation 1" there at "Midi Output for Playback"


I hope my ideas are useful for you!

Best regards,
Chris

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Chris
I have done what you have said
I have a little experiment with PLW midi map folder and it had Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth in there and that could not be changed
It did have workstation 1 and 2 in the drop down and i tried workstation 1 and applied that ,but when reopening it still reverted back to the Microsoft Wave table synth.
So that is what it has to be.
When i go back to Styleworks and midi confguration  workstation 1 does not show up.
I do not want winamp as Klaus suggested from EMC , i want the Genos sound.
I do not know what is going on with this program and i am stumped at the moment.
Al other things on my computer running midi with Genos no problem . It is just Styleworks.
When i select Genos in the program all the midi properties should show like they do in other programs and then select.
I tested it also on Midiworks Yamaha and it ran without a problem and played the midi file using the Genos
I find Midiworks so difficult to make a Style.
EMC Styleworks was so simple up to now.
I will speak to you later as i have to get to bed as it is nearly 2am here in UK.


All the best
John

[Joe H]

John,

Every time I emailed Klaus, I get an unacceptable answer from him.  I think his programs are a bit over priced anyway.  Not a good way to do business.

Joe H

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Joe
Just going to bed now  02:35 Yawn!!!
I am getting fed up with EMC and now i have uninstalled the program until something positive comes back  and yes overpriced is not the word.
I purchased it a few years ago and it was always buggy.
But now there are so many style combinations you can get from what is around and shuffle them up to get a result.
When i first had the program it worked pretty good and all you had to do is find the length of each part and do a little transposing to get to C and convert.
I do like Midi soft, but making a style inthere is tough. I got about three quarters there and gave up. Also that pino roll is not brilliant.
See yer later M8


All the Best
John

[valimaties]

John, pay a 50 Euros for Style Magic YA, and you got all you need
I did not liked EMC Style Works ever. Yes, indeed, it helped me some years ago (15, I guess ) but right now there are dedicates software like StyleMagicYA, MixMaster and so on, that are free or with a very small amount of money license and bugless .

Best regards,
Vali

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Val
I do have Midisoft Midiworks
With Midiworks i got far as where you move the values up and down and put things into line so as to get to c  for a style and that is where i got stuck.
I will slowly go through the process again and have another go as EMC is totally gone off the rails.
IT does take a lot of time in Midiworks to get the end result for a style from midi.
I do have trouble in understanding the accent of Midiworks creator when i look at the video. Very broken English. But that is understandable as he is not from the UK.
He always says ***y instead of section. That is what it sounds like to me LOL!!

All the best
John

[marcodg]

I must say i am very disappointed too of this program. I bought it for few Months and i realy regret this purchase decision. 350 $ are  many money and for this alone the support must be consequent. The update could be permanently.
Sorry to ear that many of us has the same problem. I don't use it anymore. I use other program to create my style to midi and this program are all free

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Marcodg

Would it be possible for you to tell me what this free program is and where to download .
I would appreciate that to have a try.
I tried to Get Jorgens Mid2Style going , but that has a Java problem and nothing works on the GUI
I wrote to him and waiting to hear what he says. This is also a free progra and  donation if you so wish.
I find Midisoft to style is too long winded and confusing.
I do think that Windows 10 updates are going faster than the programmers.

I have had Klaus come back to me with the Winamp and midi mapper workaround  but no answer on how he will update to run in line with Windows 10.
Winamp froze on me and you have to do a few other things .
I have now also given up  .
For a £200 program this man should give us first class treatment
Klaus is a programmer and i think that Styleworks is his hobby away fom him being a  commercial computer programmer, so his time is limited.
The customer comes first though!!
Well we are at a deadend with this until Klaus comes up with a magic bullet.


All the Best
John

[valimaties]

John, when you got money for something, you are (at least is what I believe) bond to your clients needs. And the principal need of a client is the software to WORK. If something crucial in that soft is damaging the work process for that user (or a lot of users), sorry but you are failed as a programmer. I don't care how much time he spend for programming this software, if spend a day, a week, a year, so one. If is paid (and it is a lot of money for a license, IMO) so do your job and repair your bugs.
As I said, I did not use anymore this soft for years, but I see on you guys how disappointed you are, so I'm a little bit furious 

MixMaster is a free software. I don't know how many of you have had donate to those programmers for using such a great software, but you pay a lot of money for a buggy software ... It's sad, really

Regards,
Vali

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Val

We all have to live and learn and we get stung sometimes  OOOch!!
That's life !!
I have to say that Mixmaster is a great program and all praise to Mike Bedeseem


All the Best
John

[rodrigo.b]

Excuse me, can someone explain to me what is mixmaster please? Can I use it for convert XF midi files to styles?

[overover]

Excuse me, can someone explain to me what is mixmaster please? Can I use it for convert XF midi files to styles?

Hi Rodrigo,

MixMaster is a free PC (Windows) program. You can edit MIDI files, Yamaha Styles, User Voice files and Multi Pad files with MixMaster:

https://psrtutorial.com/MB/mixMaster.html

You can NOT "simply convert" MIDI files to Styles, but MixMaster can help you with that. You probably will need also some other tools, depending what exactly you want to do  ...


Best regards,
Chris

[rodrigo.b]

Hi Rodrigo,

MixMaster is a free PC (Windows) program. You can edit MIDI files, Yamaha Styles, User Voice files and Multi Pad files with MixMaster:

https://psrtutorial.com/MB/mixMaster.html

You can NOT "simply convert" MIDI files to Styles, but MixMaster can help you with that. You probably will need also some other tools, depending what exactly you want to do  ...


Best regards,
Chris

Thank you! I will check this program, I think I already have it on my computer

[overover]

Thank you! I will check this program, I think I already have it on my computer

Hi Rodrigo,

thanks for your quick feedback!


P.S.
Please make sure to have installed the latest version (V19r1) of MixMaster. If you have installed a previous version, you have to de-install it first (in Windows Control Panel) before installing the new version.

P.P.S.
A great advantage of MixMaster is that you can open / edit Style files and then newly SAVE them WITHOUT destroying the CASM data of the Style.

When importing a Style file to a standard DAW / MIDI Sequencer, you have to use a tool like "Style Split and Splice" first, to temporarily save the CASM data of the Style to an additional "Non MIDI" file (and add those data to the edited MIDI file again, coming from the DAW).


Best regards,
Chris

[Jørgen]

Hi

Style Split and Splice software:
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sands/index.htm

Regards
Jørgen

[marcodg]

Hi Marcodg

Would it be possible for you to tell me what this free program is and where to download .
I would appreciate that to have a try.
I tried to Get Jorgens Mid2Style going , but that has a Java problem and nothing works on the GUI
I wrote to him and waiting to hear what he says. This is also a free progra and  donation if you so wish.
I find Midisoft to style is too long winded and confusing.
I do think that Windows 10 updates are going faster than the programmers.

I have had Klaus come back to me with the Winamp and midi mapper workaround  but no answer on how he will update to run in line with Windows 10.
Winamp froze on me and you have to do a few other things .
I have now also given up  .
For a £200 program this man should give us first class treatment
Klaus is a programmer and i think that Styleworks is his hobby away fom him being a  commercial computer programmer, so his time is limited.
The customer comes first though!!
Well we are at a deadend with this until Klaus comes up with a magic bullet.


All the Best
John

Hi John
I use midi2style to Jorgensen to convert midi style and it work great with me. It's make same job as style work or so better and interface is better to. The only problem i could have with this software is that you must place marker manually and it cost more time to convert but you have at the end exactly what you wanted.
The bat conversion on EMC style work don't work always. You have to do each style and it is really anoying when you cannot use a feature of a software that you paid on high cost.
I use style magic to for assembly or pad making for styles. I use mike Bedeesem SW too.
Try to ask Jorgen what to do with midi2style because by me i could start it without any matter.
Regards

[valimaties]

I tried to Get Jorgens Mid2Style going , but that has a Java problem and nothing works on the GUI

Did you have install JRE (Java Runtime Environment) ?

Right click on jar file  (C:\Program Files (x86)\midi2style\Midi2Style.jar) and make sure that it is opening with Java(TM) Platform . Sometimes, installing WinRAR, will change default program for jar files, from Java to Winrar, so if you double click a jar file it will opening as an archive.

If it is other problem, please tell us what happening when you trying to launch the application.

Regards,
Vali

[overover]

... I tried to Get Jorgens Mid2Style going , but that has a Java problem and nothing works on the GUI
I wrote to him and waiting to hear what he says.

Hi John,

I'm on Windows 10 (64-bit), too. I have installed the current Java Runtime Environment (JRE) V1.8.0_231 (64-bit). With this Java version, ALL programs from Jørgen are working well.

I recommend to download this Java version here:

https://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp

• Click on the link "Windows Offline (64-bit)" there and download the file "jre-8u231-windows-x64.exe" to your PC.

• Double-click the downloaded file and follow the instructions.

• The installation routine automatically looks for OLD Java versions. If an old version is found, simply confirm to DEINSTALL it.


• Start a jososoft program that is based on Java, for example "Midi2Style".

• If a message is displayed, that the file "javaw.exe" could not be found, you have to manually "show" that file to the program once:

The path to that file is "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.8.0_231\bin\"

Be sure to use "javaw.exe" (NOT "java.exe")!


Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Chris

[Jørgen]

Thanks Chris

Just my words... I could not explain this matter better... 

Regards
Jørgen

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Chris  and thanks for replying.

I have followed your instructions and put the Java version you said in
It loads up automatically  and does not ask me where i want the file to be.
Midi2 Style pops up but i get this exception again.
I cannot access anything on th gui.

I emailed Jorgen , but no reply as yet.
I do not know what is wrong.
I am running an i7 multicore computer and Windows 10 latest update.

All the Best
John

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[Jørgen]

Hi

Some initializing settings might be corrupted - or left over from a previous installation.
Just remove the initializing file: In a normal installation: C:\Users\<user>\AppData\Roaming\jososoft\midi2style.ini
The program will automatically create a new initializing file.

Jørgen

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Jorgen
I have tried this and yes midi2 style made another file  but still get the same exception.
I do not know what is going on as i am not computer minded with the ins and outs of a program.

This is what is in exception file-------- This is chinese to me lol.
All the best
John

05.11.2019-12:21:24: Ver. 6.13 - java.io.FileInputStream - <init> - -1 - java.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\Users\John Sammons\Application Data\jososoft\midi2style.ini (The system cannot find the file specified)
05.11.2019-12:21:25: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:21:26: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:21:26: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-12:21:48: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:21:48: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:21:48: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-12:23:18: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:23:19: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:23:19: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-12:24:15: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:24:16: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:24:16: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-12:27:23: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:27:24: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:27:24: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-12:30:19: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:30:20: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:30:20: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-12:35:19: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:35:20: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-12:35:20: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-14:18:40: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-14:18:41: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-14:18:41: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-20:04:51: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-20:04:52: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-20:04:52: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
05.11.2019-20:05:00: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-20:05:01: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
05.11.2019-20:05:01: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
06.11.2019-12:16:00: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:16:01: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:16:01: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
06.11.2019-12:20:58: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:20:59: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:20:59: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
06.11.2019-12:21:13: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:21:13: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:21:13: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
06.11.2019-12:22:33: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:22:34: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:22:34: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
06.11.2019-12:22:47: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:22:48: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:22:48: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException
06.11.2019-12:50:14: Ver. 6.13 - java.io.FileInputStream - <init> - -1 - java.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\Users\John Sammons\Application Data\jososoft\midi2style.ini (The system cannot find the file specified)
06.11.2019-12:50:15: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:50:16: Ver. 6.13 - com.sun.media.sound.AbstractMidiDevice - doOpen - -1 - javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Undefined external error.
06.11.2019-12:50:16: Ver. 6.13 - M2S$TopFrame - <init> - 15740 - java.lang.NullPointerException

[valimaties]

Hmmm.. The software does not find the file midi2style.ini ...
It's strange that it looks for it in that folder.
Mine installation has created those files in "C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Roaming\jososoft"

Check if you have that files there...

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Val

I have had a look and this is what i get
I looked inside that ini file and it goes through the copyright and then says program loading,
then a string of nulls, probably trying it's best to load the progam .
program cannot load because the exception screen  keeps appearing
The gui is frozen like a picture,no buttons or anything works.
I must have a gremlin in the machine!!

Alltthe best
john



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