nearly out of turmoil now

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

I have been doing some research and It states that Microphone XLR  cable is ok for the studio monitor side. It Is Balanced cable
Now seeing that you can plug a XLR to TRS  into the Yamaha Powers DXR 8 speakers at the back , It looks like If It Is Mic/ line then can It be both Mic/ Audio cable??  or is it best to stick to Mic cable to TRS Balanced cable..??
From amazon It will be audio XLR to TRS. I am now wondering If that should be balanced Mic cable.
The one arriving Friday will be XLR to TRS instrument Cable. I think that is the term.

It says If you use wrong cable for wrong things, damage can be caused to equipment. Just a little concerned about using mic or audio cable with XLR To TRS and jack To jack. the difference is supposed to shielding etc ,I'm not an electrical minded sort.

WAD der yer tink!!


All the best
John

[Tommy 73]

I think they could be talking about applications where phantom power is in use... what we are trying to do is no different to me plugging my keyboad which has balanced output like your Focusrite into a pair of yamaha DSR directly as I do some times using the XLR... you JUST need to toggle the switch to "LINE"....

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[Tommy 73]

So consider your Focusrite outputs the same as a mixing console outputs....No problem 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy
It does say that you plug mixers or mics into Input 1 and Keyboards  and guitars Into Input 2. What difference that makes ,I do not know.
So from Focusrite changes it basically to a mixer. Ok that one Is solved.
Is that because it comes from a balance scource??

The other thing I am trying to get my head around is what difference does an audio XLR to TRS as opposed to  XLR to TRS MIcrophone cable.


So In a nutshell, Microphone XLR cable and stereo jack to jack microphone cable Is OK and no problem??

Is that the same for the DXR8's or do you think that the XLR to TRS audio cable Is fine to plug Into the mic/line of the DXR*'s
Or put In the Microphone XLR to TRS  cable in??


all the best
John


All the best
john     sorry if I am going in circles here!! "Warning someone else Is typing"!!!

[Tommy 73]

Input 2 are not balanced and generally in the past and sometime still now keyboards are not balanced but your Focusrite is balanced so using the line level switch engaged you can take advantage of having and using a balanced audio signal

[Tommy 73]

Your cables should look like this from the Focusrite to your DXR's and Focals

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[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy
That is the ones I purchased from gear for music but says professional microphone cable on the side.The ones In your photo
I have got what you said.

The point I am trying to make is Microphone cable as opposed to audio cable application or connection.
Is there a big difference or wrong choice do harm ??
Should I change the XLR to TRS audio cable to Microphone cable for the DXR/s

I am up to speed nearly ,It just that audio /microphone thing that's bugging me!!

All the best
John

[Tommy 73]

Check with the retailer....

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy
Just rang gear for music and an Indian guy on the other end
He said It should be ok but not sure drop us an email.
The retailers do not know what they are talking about, only interested In selling.
I was fuming with the treatment of these guys.
I ask to talk to someone who knows what i am on about and got told email us BAH!! Some after service.



Just this moment rang Yamaha UK  and said I owned the Dxr8's and Genos and the guy was happy to talk to me
He has a studio and told me the cableing is fine .

I think that the cable from Amazon stating it is XLR to TRS balanced audio ,means that It is the same as Microphone cable because they are balance cables.
Normally audio cables are not balanced .I think that is right,I hope.
If not I could order another XLR to TRS Mic cable from Gear for Music.
Sorry to annoy you with this but I have to get this Into my head.
I will look at some sound proofing after I get fixed up.
Thanks for all your help Tommy, much appreciated.
I need a cup of coffee fix now!!

All the best
John

[Tommy 73]

I'm sure you will be ok john the only thing i see that could be a problem is a solar flare or someone flying above your home in a Apache helicopter and accidentally switches on the EMP weapon....

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

 


           DON'T YOU KNOW THEY ARE IN THE WIRES"!!!

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy
Talking about Acoustics now___

I have a brick wall all around me with a window one side which suggested was a blackout curtain for door and window
Opposite my window is the side wall and I am facing front .
So Blackout curtain for wall and door,  side wall opposte an acoustic tile two corner traps and one tile or two in centre on wall between speakers and one on back wall.
That should be somewhere near it being in a non Idylic room although with the carpets the sound does not echo in my roomthat much .
if I do a low shout it does ping in the distance or that how It seems to the lug hole.
Very slight echo if shouting . Hope the men In their clean wite coats don't catch me.

All the best
John

Little kids drawing  of my set up in a little packed room 10 x 10 ft roughly . The speakers are placed better than my drawing. Further apart,Not to scale!!! The Genos looks to big compared to the speakers!!!


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[Tommy 73]

First John how far are you into your reconfigured set-up?...are things working out after the last few posts ?....Will come back to you later with possible suggestions for your room acoustic .....

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy
I sent for another XLR to TRS mic lead as the Yamaha guy said all balanced coming out of the Focusrite. No problem
So all I have Is a spare lead with pro audio low noise written on It.
It must be a way of saying mic lead.
Friday, I will set up when the final leads come.
Sunday, I will know What I have got going.
In the meantime I will give my room a good going over tidying things up.
Oh well, crawling up that hill slowly.


All the best
john

[Tommy 73]

Ok john I will forward some ideas later this evening...

[Tommy 73]

I thought this article was good covering all the basics and easy to understand ... hope this helps http://proaudioblog.co.uk/2017/02/home-studio-monitoring-acoustic-treatment/  P.s. Sound On sound magazine I'm sure they would love to come and help and run an article worth a try with there readers SOS Studio make over 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy



That studio on pro audio looks like a crematorium !! at first glance 
I will take a butchers at It now.
Have to go to that sound on sound site.
Would that be a free makerover or cost £200,000 by the time they finished?


All the best
john

[Tommy 73]

Drop them a line you will soon find out john.... the SOS team go round and give people like your self a helping hand...this can be student's with a basic home studio to the more advanced studio's and anything inbetween... https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/studio-sos-untreated-room if it is sponsored by the magazine then I'm sure your Genos and Focals with your home recording efforts are calling out for there expert advice... would be good to see pending the terms.. if not I'll have to get the sat nav out and take a day off work(!) 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy
I have wrote a email to SOS and mentioned the tea and biscuits.
I can only wait and hope!!
I have never won a prize yet,only a couple of wins on  the fixed odds
They also do a studiobook for £21 with all there visits in It.
Like you say ,you never know!!.
I have got a good idea about what to do now as you have to get the basic part done first which looks ok to do.


All the best
john

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy

I am in trouble again

I hooked up the focal alpha speakers to the focusrite 6i6  and i cannot get any sound out of them

I used Daw 3 and Daw 4 on the focus rite and the same in cubase.
I can play back a midi song and the focals come to life when the focusrite volume knob is up.
My keyboard volume is not working and I cannot hear my keyboard even when In cubase.
This different system is bugging me.
How can I play my keyboard outside the daw now??

All the best
John

[Tommy 73]

Hi John as recall with Focusrite and generally with most audio interfaces...there should be a mixer control software which you can use independently of your DAW or with it and this basically setup the 6i6 hardware side of thing's like switching input and output channel on and off... let me check it out and I can be more specific with what you need to do....

[Tommy 73]

https://youtu.be/VDo7-fzzKtY here it is and this one https://youtu.be/HqgxduXH6Yg

[Tommy 73]

John Check you dont already have this when you first downloaded and setup your 6i6 with the Focusrite drivers?...this can all be found online at Focusrite ...

[Tommy 73]

https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207359335-Saffire-Scarlett-MixControl-Tutorial-Part-I-Creating-Mixes part 2 and part 3 at the bottom of this link.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Tommy

I have sorted It all out now
For me I have reverted back to what I had.
Now I can Play the Genos when the focusrite Is switched off Like before .
If I want to go to Cubase and and use VST  & Wav files switch on the focusrite.
I can edit Yamaha Genos midi with just the Yamaha driver engaged.
I have sent for another XLR to TRS jack lead for my other DXR speaker
If i use the DXR's without the hum destroyer the buzz will come back ,so the hum destroyer is just for the DXR's . The Focal Alphas are quite as a mouse.
I need another Jack to jack lead as well ,so both are coming tomorrow or Friday and then should be back to normal again.
I can control the Focal Alphas from the Genos volume control, No pilot needed.
All I do now is swap the leads over in the main out for mixing or listening. Not a big deal. Everything else is in place.
The Focal Alphas sound of course flat ,but the detail Is superb. Things like hi hats and clicky sounds come out very clear. I will get the triangle sorted later.
Putting the XLR to jack In the DXR's can be set just right with the gain and not so raw as using unbalance jacks or does not sound in your face as you lift the volume, more gradual.

The Focal Alphas not having a volume knob takes on different characteristics.
Because the volume is In on mode It took ages to get the sound coming through and I was fuming again.

So back to the net and find out
It Is to do with their protection circuits. It has to detect sound from the Genos

The lower the volume the longer to get up and running
If you turn the volume on the Genos up to half way and press a few keys,It takes about two/three seconds.
learning all the time .

All the best
John

[Tommy 73]

Ok John there are too many things to check and try here... I think we are getting into the quick sand now ...I think the way I am suggesting to connect your Genos as my sketch is a better and conventional way to do... so I think it's just a case of learning and understanding how to use Focusrite mixer control with you 6i6 interface...John it is becoming increasingly difficult to communicate here so more than happy if you want to PM me and take this over the phone and if needed get some chocolate biscuits in I'm not that far away....

[Toril S]

Congrats with being sorted out!

[Tommy 73]

Congrats with being sorted out!

sorry what do you mean ?

[keynote]

sorry what do you mean ?

John i.e. 'ugawoga' decided to revert back to what he had and now his system is working as intended according to him. So the problem(s) that he was having are all sorted out for now apparently.

Mike

[Tommy 73]

John i.e. 'ugawoga' decided to revert back to what he had and now his system is working as intended according to him. So the problem(s) that he was having are all sorted out for now apparently.

Mike

hummm.