Extremely Disappointed with Genos

[stephenm52]

I am very upset with Apple, whose policy is to drop stocking and repairing their older computers.  In 2015, I was bluntly told by Apple they don't carry parts, and would not repair my 2008 top of the line Mac Pro..  That is a 7 year life time for Apple.. And now with the fact surfacing, Apple deliberately slows down their old iPhones, forcing the user to buy a new one, just points out the greed of large companies. I certainly hope Yamaha doesn't resort to that.  Of course new technologies  is part of the price we pay for such rapidly advancing technology.

So yes, the bottom line is the Genos is a very decent instrument.. Some of us here, love it.  And it has been getting good comments from the 30 - 50 year old users..  I would say I, for some of us here, our musical path, and Yamaha's is branching off in different directions. Us oldsters, have to decide if we are going to keep up with technology, Finances, health, and our life span will dictate our course of action. 

Hey, if I hold on my Tyros 5. I might A/B the Genes, and Tyros six months from now and have a different opinion.  I reserve the right to do so..

Mark,  Thank you for a very well thought out opinion of Genos.

I really share your thoughts on Apple, I've been in the Apple eco-system for a number of years and I don't like what they have done to their loyal fan base i.e. folks like you and I.   You said it best, "GREED," I certainly hope Yamaha does not walk down that path.

Happy New Year!

[DavidB]

Indeed, what do I now is the question, because I don't want the Genos. Mind you I can't even be sure now that I even want any kind of arranger and I certainly wouldn't want a Tyros, as despite the quality of the instruments, I would feel it was a step backwards. As it is I may have a solution but I can't really be certain about any of it. Which might make this the ideal solution.

I haven't put the wheels in motion yet but if it comes off, remembering that portability isn't a requirement and neither is space a problem, I may end up with a Roland Atelier AT800 and keep the Genos until I can truly decide.

In the meantime though I am so disappointed with the Genos that if someone came up with a realistic price for it, I would sell it - providing it doesn't involve any clandestine meetings in car parks or having to drive silly distances.

I'll let you know if my plan comes off

[tyrosman]

how much would you be asking for Genos

[Will49]

Having had the Genos for appox. 2 months I can quite honestly say I have never been so disappointed with a musical instrument purchase in my life. It is absolutely not worth what Yamaha are charging for it and the instrument realism, bar a very few voices, leaves very much to be desired.
The pianos sound nothing like the instruments they're named after. There is absolutely no depth to them whatsoever and the same can be said for many more of the instruments. My Tyros 4 had more realistic sounding pianos and organs.
Black was the worst colour Yamaha could have picked. They should call it dust catcher black because collecting dust is all that matt black finish is any good for.
I had some good news last week, it seems the treatment for my cancer could extend my life to years rather than just months.

Hello DavidB, I don't even own a Genos, so cannot comment but I sure am very sorry to read of your disappointment. And as you have actually owned a CVP 709, and now own a Genos, well... it's the same pair of ears that have heard them both. So you (and only you!) are the best judge concerning which of them (to you) is the superior one in terms of piano sounds. And although you said in a subsequent comment that you would think of a Tyros as a backward step, you also say in your original posting that you felt that the pianos and organs sounded more realistic on your Tyros 4. So perhaps finding a mint condition T5/76 (like I recently did) wouldn't be so bad? It certainly has a lot of T4 in it, but the T5/76 also has some added features that has made me very happy indeed that I took this route!

I totally agree with you about black finish vs silver. Black definitely shows every bit of dust, fingerprints etc. far more than silver. I've had many black keyboards (the last of which I think was a Roland G1000) but as soon as I started on the Tyros range (I've now had them all) I immediately noticed that I haven't had to run a duster over them anywhere near as often as I did with black keyboards. Same with cars. I was forever cleaning a black car that we once had. We're on the second silver car in a row now and it'll go much longer before it becomes visibly obvious that it's time for a clean.
However, far more important than any of the above is your medical condition. Seeing that the cancer treatment you are currently undergoing could significantly extend your life expectancy sure is excellent news indeed!

Best wishes,

Will
P.S. As for the Roland Atelier, which is obviously a whole different beast altogether, well I can honestly say that the AT-900 Platinum Edition would be top of the list with me... if only those little Lottery balls fell in the right order for me!
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[DavidB]

how much would you be asking for Genos

I paid £4,300 for it. I think considering it's condition... Comes with L7B stand and GNS MS01 speakers. Dust covers for keyboard, speakers, sub woofer. I will not split it at all... in other words all or nothing... £3,800.00 would seem fair to each party. It has Church and Christmas and a couple more expansion packs loaded but I guess I own those no matter what thanks to Yamaha's draconian licensing through YEM and Musicsoft - so I guess I should remove them. Happy to leave the 256Gb stick underneath. Still have all the boxes.

Regards,

[DavidB]

P.S. As for the Roland Atelier, which is obviously a whole different beast altogether, well I can honestly say that the AT-900 Platinum Edition would be top of the list with me... if only those little Lottery balls fell in the right order for me!
http://will49.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-3/p2692390106.jpg

Thanks for a lovely reply Will. You're right the Atelier is an entirely different beast. I did quite a lot of research into them earlier in the year including playing both the 800 and 900 of which there is very little difference as I'm sure you know. I decided on the 800 as with it's short pedal board it would in effect leave them optional for me - although I have every intention of learning.

Despite the fact they're now 8 or 9 year old technology some of the solo voices are truly amazing, including the piano's. Some have such realism even today they knock the Genos at least into second place. I know that might not be a fair comparison, but it is one I'm making for personal choice.

Anyway, again, thanks for the great reply.

[XeeniX]

It has Church and Christmas and a couple more expansion packs loaded but I guess I own those no matter what thanks to Yamaha's draconian licensing through YEM and Musicsoft - so I guess I should remove them.

Hi David, You could just create a new account for your next Yamaha instrument. That is of course if you decide to stay with Yamaha and won;t need the packs anymore. After that you can change the e-mail address of the old account to that of the buyer and let him set a new password. Or, write an e-mail to support asking if they are willing to transfer it to his or her's account and away from yours. It's worth the try since I think Yamaha's only goal is to prevent those packs from being distributed to more than 1 person.

Man, I would give my uh, left foot (Keeping my hands and the sustain pedal foot ) for a CVP709. For the Genos? Not so much Not saying it is a bad instrument but my (half year old) T5 is good enough for me for now. Not that many differences besides a lot of Yamaha pooha advertising and a lot of things I am not that interested in anyway (not want to start a discussion btw. This is my honest opinion and mine alone. You all are entitled to another version )

kind regards,
Peter

[Pianoman]

I believe that we should see this from David's point of view.

He knows what he's talking about, and no amount of justification will change that.

A keyboard is a multifaceted instrument with hundreds of sounds. Some are spot on, and some are not.

A keyboard may contain the sound of a specific piano but it is not a piano, or that particular piano.

It does not have the feel, depth, keybed, nuances, and a myriad other things that make a piano what it is.
Stage Pianos by Nord, Yamaha, Roland, Kawai and others, come close.

They've made big advances in emulating the mechanism, weighting, and sampling of all 88 keys, to come close to the real thing. But they're just close, not the real thing either.

I lug around a 32 kilo stage piano everywhere I go, not because I'm crazy, it's because I'm a piano player and must always have a piano with me. I would feel naked without it.

The arranger functions as a secondary instrument.

I am amused when I read posts praising the glory of a CFX in the Genos.
One even said it was a gift from the Almighty God.

I will buy a Genos, but not for any piano samples it may contain.
All i want are the styles, Guitars, maybe Saxes, Brass, Organs and I'll find a way to do the rest.

So David is right when he says there's no CFX in the Genos.
We may wish it to be so, even will it to be so, try to convince ourselves that it is so, but sadly it ain't so.

I cannot agree or disagree with David because I haven't even touched a Genos in the flesh yet.
But I believe him because I understand.

Once a person has played on a better piano, in this case the CVP 709, it would require a miracle to convince him that the lesser sounding piano on an arranger, is the best.

But he has owned the Genos for two months now, and has tried everything possible to squeeze out a good sounding CFX from it, and it didn't work.

So he knows what he's talking about.
Let's just leave it at that.

Best Regards,
Pianoman.

[zionip]

I decided on the 800 as with it's short pedal board it would in effect leave them optional for me - although I have every intention of learning.

Hi Dave,

I am sure you will love playing the Roland Atelier Series organ.

Have you seen or played any Yamaha Electone Stagea ELS-02C organ in your area?  Yamaha Electone organs are very popular in Asia, but I have not seen any of them in the U.S.  I watched a over-4-million-viewed Youtube video of a young Japanese girl playing "Star Wars" theme song on a Yamaha Stagea organ and thought that the sounds are quite convincing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp5HpjhKHKs

How do you feel about the sounds compared to the Roland Atelier 800?

Thanks,
Paul

[mikf]

I had a PSR and added a digital piano to it because the piano sound and keyboard feel are not great. I bought a CVP605 and it was much better. Then I bought a CVP 705 and it was a little bit better still especially the Bosendorfer sample but still not in the same league as even my pretty medium level real Yamaha grand, which in turn is not in the same league as a Bosendorfer Imperial or Shigeru. But now we are talking instruments which cost upwards of 20 times the cost of a TOTL arranger. And sublime instruments though these last two grand pianos are, they don't provide a trio or even a full orchestra to accompany me at the touch of a screen, they can't record my performance or let me add a sax solo or an almost endless list of other things.
That's the point isn't it, the arranger is a compromise between cost, sound quality and a wide range of quite amazing functionality. Focus on one feature like the piano sample, the sound processing or the style or voice editing and its easy to find fault, but look at the whole thing and any of these TOTL arrangers are really pretty amazing. Of course people are entitled to their likes and dislikes, just as some people prefer BMW to Lexus or Mercedes - even if fundamentally they are all great cars and most would just like the chance to own any one of them. 
Mike

[Pianoman]

True and very well explained Mike.

Best Regards,
Pianoman.

[jgriffin]

Greetings David.  I've enjoyed reading the various posts related to the topic you introduced and trying to determine how I really feel about the sound of the Genos piano.  I am just an average player but I do own a Yamaha baby grand and nothing I've purchased so far gives me the same type of pleasure as playing that little gem.  I especially miss the weighed keys when I switch to the Genos.   I also miss the lower notes, but am trying to become accustomed to that as well.  I'm force-feeding myself the more compact set-up. 

Back to the sound.  I have never liked the Yamaha keyboard mounted speakers.  I decided to give them another try with the Genos.  Nope - not any better.  I have not hooked up my Bose Compact to it yet, but feel confident that would be very pleasing to the ear.  However....I have tremendous pleasure listening through my expensive Sennheiser headphones.  Since you are only playing for your own pleasure, I wonder if you have tried this option. 

Good luck with your health issues.  In 2009 I was hospitalized for nine days and had to use a walker for six months afterward.  A couple of years later I was riding my bicycle 5-6 miles at a time 3-4 times a week.  I did not have cancer but an extremely serious life threatening case of UC.  I cannot believe that my body was able to heal itself to this extent.  Thank God for my doctors and some really great drugs!  I'm sure you feel like I do - so glad this did not happen to me years ago when most of these treatments were not available!

If you haven't yet...give the headphones a try.  They are addicting!

Best wishes for a wonderful and healing 2018!

[jgriffin]

Also....KEYNOTE - that was an extremely beautiful arrangement of Silver Bells and played to perfection!

[vanray]

David b
This is just my personal opinion :

Home organs are a dying breed, they were superseded by the arranger workstations,
decades ago.

in my opinion you've " thrown the baby out with the bathwater " .
Despite the thousands of improvements and technical Advancements of the brand new genos
your prepared to throw all that away, because of "ONE" dislike.

I doubt that the roland Organ will keep you happy "Longterm".
its had its day.

[DavidB]

David b
This is just my personal opinion :

Home organs are a dying breed, they were superseded by the arranger workstations,
decades ago.

in my opinion you've " thrown the baby out with the bathwater " .
Despite the thousands of improvements and technical Advancements of the brand new genos
your prepared to throw all that away, because of "ONE" dislike.

I doubt that the roland Organ will keep you happy "Longterm".
its had its day.

It is not because of one dislike, as I've said a few times. I just used the piano's as an example. There are other instruments that are a poor rendition of themselves, whereas, as I've also said there are some that are so realistic it almost defies comprehension. Perhaps this is the real source of my disappointment, if they can make a Flugelhorn sound as real as they do, with all it's nuances, then why can't they make a piano sound like a piano? Forget CFX, Bosendorfer etc. Just let's take a normal upright no name piano... even they have body to their sound and depth in the lower ranges. Genos has none.

It's not a question of whether or not a Genos is a CFX. Of course it isn't, but I know from my CVP that Yamaha themselves can make a pretty good impression of one - but not on the Genos, it's top of the line arranger it seems. THAT is the disappointment. I don't care about different sampling techniques (for this argument) only that Yamaha state it is a CFX piano and it's so laughably not even close.

I agree organs are a breed separate from arrangers, but dying? Getting smaller, sure, while the arranger market grows. This is what makes the Roland Atelier all the more remarkable for it's instrument realism. On many it makes a Genos (with its standard speakers) sound like cheap keyboard. The Atelier has been discontinued for the last 3 years and Roland has made nothing to replace it, which makes my plan riskier but even better... Have both while deciding which to keep.

Best wishes,

[Oldden]

Hi,
I think there is only one way to judge between a real piano and a keyboard. Put them both behind a curtain in front of a audience with just one pianist playing both, and when nobody can tell which is which, that's it keyboards have arrived.
Oldden

[Pianoman]

Allow me to explain this in a way maybe only guys can understand (my apologies ladies).

Nowadays they make 2 litre Turbo powered cars that can deliver the same power output as an old school V8.

To make things more interesting they create an artificial "enhanced" sound to mimic a V8 sound, which is fed to the driver via the vehicle's audio system.

The driver powers up his car, and with his windows closed, hears a V8.

He then steps out of the car, walks to the back, and hears a thin tinny sound coming out of the exhaust. The world also hears a thin tinny sound emanating from the vehicle.
No V8 there.

Our friend David has driven his V8 muscle car, in the form of his CVP 709.
A V8 that accelerates your digestive process as you rev it up, before even driving off.

It sent shivers up his spine, and now he does not get that same feeling from the Genos.

As a result, he is considering other options.
As is his right to do so.

Why can't we just let a man be right when he is right?
Especially when we ourselves know, deep down, that he is right.

Then we still continue to live in denial by implying that he may be using a hearing aid,
or the wrong speakers, or that he would see things differently if only he had good headphones.
or that he should visit his hearing doctor, etc.

I've owned all things Yamaha since I was a 17 year old boy. Even my Motorbike was Yamaha.

But we owe nothing to Yamaha.
It is the other way round, it is Yamaha that owes it's consumers.
Fealty must be earned, and not taken as a given.

Best Regards and a Happy New Year to all.
Pianoman.



PS: We must always be vigilant that we do not develop a "cult" mentality.
Whether it's a general Yamaha cult, or a Genos cult. It is unhealthy.

My understanding is that we are a bunch of people who own Yamaha keyboards, and get together here to share experiences, help each other out, and suggest improvements.
We should remain vigilant that it stays that way.

[Oldden]

Hi,

Why can't we just let a man be right when he is right?
Especially when we ourselves know, deep down, that he is right.

That is completely true. There is no right no wrong to any of it, it's what we personally enjoy what is important. We all see, hear and think differently to each other, it's time to give this item a rest I think.
Oldden

[Pianoman]

Hi,

it's time to give this item a rest I think.
Oldden

For any particular reason?

Best Regards,
Pianoman.

[DavidB]

it's time to give this item a rest I think.
Oldden

By all means stop contributing, don't post, don't even read it, in fact add it to your block list and never have to read it again. A thread is over when no one has anything more to add, not when someone decides they're bored with it

And, the pianos on Genos are not a matter of what one person likes or doesn't. It is a matter of what is a true rendition and what isn't. You may be happy to play them, in which case I'm delighted for you and everyone else who is also happy, but don't fool yourselves you're playing anything that has the breadth and depth of a real piano, let alone a CFX.

All the best.

[Oldden]

Hi Pianoman,
I am wondering if it's all getting a bit too personal towards the original poster. We all have our own views on life and it's only my own opinion of course but I hope that this user group will always be friendly to, and respect each other's views.
Oldden

[DavidB]

I must be too thick skinned. I'm not taking anything personally, and I hope no one else is. I just started a thread to try and explain why I am extremely disappointed with Genos. I expected it to be a little controversial in a Genos forum, but I've actually been surprised by the replies seeing things from my perspective.

I think the forums friendliness is intact

[keynote]

David, before you decide to sell your Genos I just wanted to post a couple more demos for you to listen to. The first demo is once again the Genos CFX concert grand piano vs. a real Yamaha CFX grand piano recorded at a famous studio in Germany although it's a rather short demo. And the second is actually a video and review of the Genos keyboard by a popular keyboardist from the U.K. demonstrated at Bonner's Music. The first link and demo is in .wav format so as to demonstrate the best quality of sound. The second link and video review is over 200 MB in size. I'm not sure if you're on a metered connection or not but I wanted to put it out there to give you a chance to see and hear the features and sounds of the Genos at length. Enjoy!

Genos CFX piano vs. Yamaha real CFX piano

Yamaha Genos keyboard review

Mike

[DavidB]

Hi Dave,

I am sure you will love playing the Roland Atelier Series organ.

Have you seen or played any Yamaha Electone Stagea ELS-02C organ in your area?  Yamaha Electone organs are very popular in Asia, but I have not seen any of them in the U.S.  I watched a over-4-million-viewed Youtube video of a young Japanese girl playing "Star Wars" theme song on a Yamaha Stagea organ and thought that the sounds are quite convincing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp5HpjhKHKs

How do you feel about the sounds compared to the Roland Atelier 800?

Thanks,
Paul

Hi Paul,

Didn't mean to ignore this.

She is very good, but I'm not sure those organs are available in Europe.

I can well imagine someone doing a very similar rendition on an Atelier.

One of the things I really like about the Atelier is the nearly 6 octave lower manual which is missing from many other organs I've seen.

Regards,

[DavidB]

David, before you decide to sell your Genos I just wanted to post a couple more demos for you to listen to. The first demo is once again the Genos CFX concert grand piano vs. a real Yamaha CFX grand piano recorded at a famous studio in Germany although it's a rather short demo. And the second is actually a video and review of the Genos keyboard by a popular keyboardist from the U.K. demonstrated at Bonner's Music. The first link and demo is in .wav format so as to demonstrate the best quality of sound. The second link and video review is over 200 MB in size. I'm not sure if you're on a metered connection or not but I wanted to put it out there to give you a chance to see and hear the features and sounds of the Genos at length. Enjoy!

Genos CFX piano vs. Yamaha real CFX piano

Yamaha Genos keyboard review

Mike

Much appreciated Mike and I must admit they're very convincing. Neither however are being played through the Genos speakers. I've said all along that with a much more expensive sound system and with appropriate equaliser settings etc. the sound can be improved massively and this is the proof of that. I'm afraid though that it doesn't diminish my disappointment because to reproduce those sounds for myself I would have to spend at least £1,000 more if not £2,000. I don't believe it's fair anyone should have to do that.

Thank you though, as I say, they are very convincing. The first demo actually made me wonder if it really was a Genos. Amazing what a professional studio can achieve.

Bandwidth is no issue... 200mbs, unmetered

Thanks,

PS. I will most likely sell my Genos for the right price, but my plan at the moment involves keeping it while I try an Atelier. That way I can still choose.

[Will49]

David b
This is just my personal opinion :
Home organs are a dying breed, they were superseded by the arranger workstations,
decades ago.
I doubt that the roland Organ will keep you happy "Longterm".
its had its day.

Vanray, The above remarks about home organs are, as you put it, your "personal opinion", and you are obviously entitled to that. However, one of the reasons that you perceive them as a "dying breed" is the fact that they became so hugely expensive. The other reason came about following the advancements in electronics which meant that things could be miniaturised and put into smaller and smaller cabinets. Until, eventually, they became so small and light that they could be picked up and carried around under one arm... enter the 'portable keyboard'! This was obviously a godsend to gigging musicians, who previously (with the help of assistants and a fairly large van!) hauled big organs around... and sometimes, separate Leslie cabinets as well!

However, as a non-gigging person, I strongly defend the whole concept of the home organ. Firstly, they are the very thing that got me interested in playing music in the first place. Secondly, there is something about them that is difficult to explain. There is that unmistakable warmth/depth to their sound... perhaps it's something to do with their speaker system, or the cabinet? I think Pianoman's analogy of a V8 muscle car vs a small-engined car is an excellent comparison! You only have to watch a few YouTube videos of the likes of Claudia Hirschfeld playing the Wersi Louvre, and also Chris Hopkins... who now has the ex-Blackpool Tower Ballroom's Wersi Louvre at home. And in terms of appearance, being so much larger and having two or three manuals and a pedal board, home organs simply look more impressive. They seem to exude a certain aura of grandeur that many people are proud to show off in their homes - whilst the portable keyboard, on the other hand, is considered a mere toy by comparison. I fully understand and support DavidB's desire to go for a Roland Atelier AT-800. Like I said in my earlier comment, if I won the Lottery, a top of the range home organ would be high on my shopping list too!

To DavidB: If/when you do finally decide on having a Roland AT-800, then I'm sure you will be very happy with it, and I wish you many years of enjoyment with such a magnificent instrument!

Regards,
Will

[mikf]

In response to a previous post - hiding the pianos from the listener to see if they can distinguish would not tell the whole story. Maybe you blindfold the player and see if they can distinguish, because Depends on many other factors like what they play, how they play etc. And then there is what the player feels, and that is not just keyboard response, but also sound response. Good players adjust what they play automatically depending on the sound feedback. And  sample is not just about basic tone and pitch, which is relatively easy to get right.
Think of sustain for example, if you sustain a note on a quality grand, you might still hear it twenty seconds or more later. Think of the sample size to not just capture that but to factor in variable decay rates and harmonics depending on how hard you hit it in the first place, which particular note it is (string lengths matter) then multiply by every note on the keyboard, some of which may be played simultaneously over the decay, with harmonic interactions - and you start to understand why piano is so hard and expensive to duplicate electronically. I think the better electronic instruments get tone close. But all the other nuances - not close.
Mike

[HalUnlimited]

Hello David. I am new to this forum.  I feel compelled to write to you (only my second post) because I empathize and sympathize with you and can feel your pain because I have been there myself.  In fact your your criticism of the Genos piano sound quality is what kept me from purchasing all previous generations of Tyros.  This has also kept me from enjoying the fun and unique entertaining experience of playing on the fly OMB performances.  With every release of the Tyros, I did not keep one for myself because the piano sounds seemed too thin, not rich and full bodied. I finally bought a Korg Kronos to satisfy my piano (and synth) desire and am totally happy with it.  I was still missing an arranger.   So I finally did buy the Genos recently because it sounded better to me than the Tyros series, including the pianos, however, the pianos still are not as good as can be gotten from some other digital keyboards, as you well know. So, to beef up my piano sound on the Genos, I am blending several piano voices together to get something closer to what I am looking for.  For example, layering the CFX Concert Grand, C7 Warm Grand, and Upright Piano, with the volume raised more for the C7 Warm Grand, gets me to a more acceptable sound, good enough to enjoy playing just on the Genos.  However, when my piano quality needs to be more pure and strong, I play my Korg Kronos audio, all octaves through the Genos, plus midi couple it with the Genos to get the best of both worlds, better piano, rhythms, and sweet Genos articulation voices. If you haven't already experimented with combining piano voices within the Genos, I would suggest layering your favorite piano voices together, mixing their prominence, EQ and effects and you might be able to come up with something better than you've heard so far.  Or you might not.  My other thought is that you appear to be very firm in only using the Genos speakers. I use the Yamaha HS8 speakers which can be had for $699USD minus holiday sales currently going on for minus 15-20% off online.  I don't think that is expensive relative to the cost of the Genos. Maybe it's better to use better speakers than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I have heard some Tyros users say they prefer the sound of other speakers over the stock ones. I don't think they have to cost an arm and a leg. You could take your Genos to the local music store and hook it up to audition.  Finally, since, you may have bought your keyboard somewhat close to Christmas Holiday, doesn't your music supplier have a return policy, for example, if you received it as a gift? Ultimately you should not be stuck with, or persuaded to keep an instrument that does not make you happy.  So David, this was just a review of some options that you may or may not have considered. As many on this thread have acknowledged, you deserve to "have it your way."   Best of luck. Happy New Year.  Hal

[travlin-easy]

Gentlemen, and ladies, please try to maintain some semblance of civility when posting. This thread is primarily one person's opinion about the Genos and his opinion is to be respected. The only reason I posted anything at all was an attempt to provide some technical assistance and not to contradict his likes or dislikes, or to sway his opinion.

If David feels certain Genos voices don't sound the way he wishes, and the solutions offered by others will suffice, then it is up to David to determine what he wishes to do. There is no reason to kill the thread unless it becomes negative or combative. If and when it does, one of the moderators will take the time to consult all the other moderators about the thread and what is to be done with it.

This site exists for the sole purpose of providing Yamaha arranger keyboard owners and users with assistance with their Yamaha keyboards, and in doing so, providing assistance both from a technical standpoint and a personal, first-hand, user standpoint. If for some reason you don't like the results you have obtained, feel free to post YOUR OPINION of this, and many of the good folks on this forum will do their best to assist you in obtaining your goals.

As stated many times, music is very subjective, and there are no absolute rights or wrongs - just individual opinions.

Have a Happy New Year,

Gary

[tyrosman]

hi David i dont think you have spent enough time with it ive played it and im getting it in April ive had all the Tyros Keyboards . and all the Big Yamaha organs from the C 55 the D 65 the FS 30 and Hx1 the Organs are good but when you think of it the Keyboards are Fantastic Have a look at Bemore Organs all the best i hope you get what you want in the end