I am still struggling with saving as "Registrations" or saving as "Styles"  ??   This has been discussed before and I am hoping that maybe this time something will make sense to me where I can make a decision that I am comfortable with.

Because I have the DGX-670 but with no dedicated OTS, Registrations would be the logical choice...... But with 3rd Party Developers, there are ways to add/change OTS.

Perhaps I am just a "Senior" who was brought up with Styles and too stubborn to change my ways.

Please advise

Ron

Good grief, why is there any decision to be made.  If your keyboard doesn't support OTS, go with registrations.

Ceres,
Fred

OTS are just voices saved in a style, very nice, but that's it. Registrations can be that, and a lot more.

I'm a new convert, still learning how to use them, and wishing I'd persevered with Registrations years ago. But like you Ron I stuck with OTS, probably because when OTS was new and shiny it was great to have a nicely set up progression of sounds. With that improvement I never looked past it to realise the added value of Registrations... now I have. I still enjoy nice OTS, but I'm not limited to them.

I don't know the DGX-670 but I'm sure there are plenty of videos about using registrations, watch a lot of them to get as many ideas as possible, then sift through the ideas to identify those that will aid your playing. It should be much easier, more logical, than trying to wangle OTS into a system that doesn't use them.

Persevere with Registrations 👍

Quote from: rphillipchuk on Jan 04, 2025, 07:21 PMI am still struggling with saving as "Registrations" or saving as "Styles"  ??   This has been discussed before and I am hoping that maybe this time something will make sense to me where I can make a decision that I am comfortable with.

Because I have the DGX-670 but with no dedicated OTS, Registrations would be the logical choice...... But with 3rd Party Developers, there are ways to add/change OTS.

Perhaps I am just a "Senior" who was brought up with Styles and too stubborn to change my ways.

Please advise

Ron

Based on my experience using Styles in earlier Tyros models and then registrations in Tyros5 and now Genos2, I strongly recommend using registrations which are much more flexible and easier to change than OTS.

It's not really either/ or; registrations use styles (sans OTS) and everything else including tempo, splits, scale tuning, etc etc


Mark

Quote from: Amwilburn on Jan 09, 2025, 02:02 PMIt's not really either/ or; registrations use styles (sans OTS) and everything else including tempo, splits, scale tuning, etc etc


Mark

I think I was the same as Ron, Mark. I played as a piano or with styles and didn't use registrations. The styles did what I needed (mostly) so I hardly ever looked at registrations, and what you don't know you don't miss. I remember before variations and OTS, so they were a big thing and got the attention. Time was spent with styles, editing, voices... all good stuff too. But now I've looked into registrations a bit more, yeah.... there's a lot there, and without giving up anything but gaining even more. I used to wonder a bit what the fuss was about, now I'm beginning to realise.
The Registration Sequence is great, and with a pedal even better. Linking MultiPads, mixing styles (with and without OTS) , using with the Chord Looper... there are all sorts of configurations to be figured out. It takes a bit to get accustomed to using it, and then to get set up. But I'm hooked, it's worth it.

Quote from: aprilla on Jan 09, 2025, 07:40 PM

Quote from: Amwilburn on Jan 09, 2025, 02:02 PMIt's not really either/ or; registrations use styles (sans OTS) and everything else including tempo, splits, scale tuning, etc etc


Mark

I think I was the same as Ron, Mark. I played as a piano or with styles and didn't use registrations. The styles did what I needed (mostly) so I hardly ever looked at registrations, and what you don't know you don't miss. I remember before variations and OTS, so they were a big thing and got the attention. Time was spent with styles, editing, voices... all good stuff too. But now I've looked into registrations a bit more, yeah.... there's a lot there, and without giving up anything but gaining even more. I used to wonder a bit what the fuss was about, now I'm beginning to realise.
The Registration Sequence is great, and with a pedal even better. Linking MultiPads, mixing styles (with and without OTS) , using with the Chord Looper... there are all sorts of configurations to be figured out. It takes a bit to get accustomed to using it, and then to get set up. But I'm hooked, it's worth it.

Precisely! And there's no going back, once you're used to Registrations, it's impossible to imagine performing on an instrument without them!

Mark

Quote from: Amwilburn on Jan 10, 2025, 04:28 PMPrecisely! And there's no going back, once you're used to Registrations, it's impossible to imagine performing on an instrument without them!

Mark

Any advice on keyboard files File Management, Mark? I was doing OK when registrations weren't involved, no linking to be aware of, but now I know I need to keep a better eye on where things go.
I've read a bit, watched a couple of videos and still made some mess ups already so realise a system is important. Is there a way you like to arrange things? It's just my hobby but I'd still like it to be nicely organised.

I'll say! Keeping them all the root of your usb is ill advised.

2 ways to keep it tidy:

I organize all my orchestral stuff into an orchestral folder, then anything else I need is either organized by song or artist, and anything unmodified you can leave as preset.

OR

put the style in the same folder as your registrations (I assume 1 registration per song). If you have a new version? make sure you save a new copy but also save on top of the original name (so the original name is always the most updated version as well, and the version your registration references)

Mark

Quote from: Amwilburn on Jan 10, 2025, 09:00 PMI'll say! Keeping them all the root of your usb is ill advised.

2 ways to keep it tidy:

I organize all my orchestral stuff into an orchestral folder, then anything else I need is either organized by song or artist, and anything unmodified you can leave as preset.

OR

put the style in the same folder as your registrations (I assume 1 registration per song). If you have a new version? make sure you save a new copy but also save on top of the original name (so the original name is always the most updated version as well, and the version your registration references)

Mark

(I assume 1 registration per song)

Yes, 1 reg per piece. The same folder, I think that might work. When you look at the files on the computer screen and they are mixed, it looks a muddle. But when in the keyboard it filters them so you only see what you need to see, but they can find what they need in the same folder.

Thanks Mark, this helps.

I never use OTS (One Touch Setting); all of my tracks are programmed entirely with Registration Memories. The number of Registration Memories is unlimited, and after completing one set, you can seamlessly jump to the first one in the next set. This is far more flexible than using OTS. I handle all changes in the music by switching Registration Memories, so my hands rarely need to operate panel buttons. For this reason, I use several registration banks for each track (sometimes dozens or even over a hundred memories), and I preconfigure pedal-triggered registration sequences. During performance, I only need to step on the pedal—no need to worry about anything else—just remember where to press the pedal.

Additionally, my file management method is as follows: I create all tracks on a USB drive, with each track having its own dedicated folder. Inside the folder, I store all related files, such as voice files, rhythm files, Pad files, audio Pads, Chord Looper files, Registration Memory files, etc. The advantage of this approach is centralized file management for each track, making it easy to organize and share. Lastly, I add the first Registration Memory from the first bank of each track into the Playlist. This way, when selecting a track on the keyboard, I can directly choose it from the Playlist without needing to navigate the USB directory and search through numerous files.

I think registrations are the best way to go, but, there seems to be some confusing about using them for many. Loads of videos on YouTube, not all giving the same advice. Do we need one good teaching video or similar that anyone on the group can view if having difficulties.

Quote from: Oldden on Jan 12, 2025, 03:18 AMI think registrations are the best way to go, but, there seems to be some confusing about using them for many. Loads of videos on YouTube, not all giving the same advice. Do we need one good teaching video or similar that anyone on the group can view if having difficulties.

Perhaps, but there are some good tutorials around for years. Fred, and others, have generously shared loads of them and I have watched them, understood them. I think registrations just didn't seem useful enough (personally) to use them.

Lately, two tutorials, neither specifically about registrations (one tutorial was for the Chord Looper, the other for MultiPads) showed me how registrations could help me when using these other features. The difference being the tutorials weren't for registrations, or just styles, but utilising registrations to manage other keyboard features that I wanted to use. That's what finally cracked their potential for me. And fortunately, having watched the registration tutorials, I was able to use them once I found a use for them. And a pedal for making registration sequence changes has had a big influence too, it suits me not to have to press registration buttons.

I'm definitely a registrations convert now, but if I was still using my previous keyboard I might not be. It didn't have the features that attracted me towards using registrations now.

But because I'm now going to use registrations my files management system is not suitable and I need to figure a new method. One that takes using registrations into account. Mark gave me some good advice, but previous to my asking him I'd looked for some tutorials on that and not found many.

An update.

After trying out a few ways to organise the files I've finally settled on A B C... folders in the User Registration and Style folders, and putting other files into their specific type folder. So far I don't feel confused or muddled... I think I'm happy with this.

I audition styles from USB, and the ones I want to save for registrations I copy to the User/Style area. Everything is tidy and understandable so if I go away and come back to it it'll still make sense, I'll know what's where.

I'm enjoying it now.


@rphillipchuk  - Have you got a chance to try registrations yet Ron?

Quote from: aprilla on Jan 10, 2025, 07:41 PM

Quote from: Amwilburn on Jan 10, 2025, 04:28 PMPrecisely! And there's no going back, once you're used to Registrations, it's impossible to imagine performing on an instrument without them!

Mark

Any advice on keyboard files File Management, Mark? I was doing OK when registrations weren't involved, no linking to be aware of, but now I know I need to keep a better eye on where things go.
I've read a bit, watched a couple of videos and still made some mess ups already so realise a system is important. Is there a way you like to arrange things? It's just my hobby but I'd still like it to be nicely organised.

Quote from: aprilla on Jan 19, 2025, 05:46 PM@rphillipchuk  - Have you got a chance to try registrations yet Ron?

Yes I have made up my mind to use registrations, thanks to all for the encouragement.  It took me a while before it kind of made sense to me ..... I will work on it until I feel comfortable with it.   The DGX-670 has only 4 registrations and I do not know if this will work against me or not ? 

I am pleased that "Songbook +" is working flawlessly with the 670 ... Heck !!  I even got the registration sequence to work with the pedals and I am very close to understanding the "Scrolling" pdf on the iPad.......

Ron

Quote from: rphillipchuk on Jan 19, 2025, 07:17 PM

Quote from: aprilla on Jan 19, 2025, 05:46 PM@rphillipchuk  - Have you got a chance to try registrations yet Ron?

Yes I have made up my mind to use registrations, thanks to all for the encouragement.  It took me a while before it kind of made sense to me ..... I will work on it until I feel comfortable with it.  The DGX-670 has only 4 registrations and I do not know if this will work against me or not ? 

I am pleased that "Songbook +" is working flawlessly with the 670 ... Heck !!  I even got the registration sequence to work with the pedals and I am very close to understanding the "Scrolling" pdf on the iPad.......

Ron

Oh good, I won't have to hound you into it 🤣

They're good aren't they? I'm just now feeling pretty comfortable with them, it took me a while to settle into a filing arrangement.

I don't think 'only' 4 will make much of a difference. Mine has 6 and some even have 10. I doubt I'll ever use 6 Reg for anything, not regularly anyway. I'll probably try to, just to see... but 3 or 4 should suit me well enough. Maybe you could sequence Banks... something to check out if you ever feel a lack.

I don't know Songbook+ but presume it's a bit like OpenText or MobileSheets, opening sheet music through a registration link (and visa versa)? Very nice.

How do you get on with the reg seq and the pedal? I thought I'd have no bother, having used pedals with piano and electone, but it has taken some practise to get the timing right. Took me down a peg or two LOL

We'll be well set up soon 👍

Mary

I am returning the favor that you gave me (encouragement)......Please give Songbook+ a serious look.

This is my workflow with the DGX-670 and the Songbook+.
- Press Bank on the 670
- Select the Registration on the 670
- This will call up the EZ Pdf on the ipad and load up the proper Style in the 670
-I have recorded "Page Turns" so that when I get close to the end of the page, it will turn to the next page and so on...
- I have also programmed the right pedal to advance the reg and the middle pedal to go back one.

I am enjoying it a lot. Just have to quit mixing up my fingers with my feet. lol

Ron

Quote from: rphillipchuk on Jan 19, 2025, 09:00 PMMary

I am returning the favor that you gave me (encouragement)......Please give Songbook+ a serious look.

This is my workflow with the DGX-670 and the Songbook+.
- Press Bank on the 670
- Select the Registration on the 670
- This will call up the EZ Pdf on the ipad and load up the proper Style in the 670
-I have recorded "Page Turns" so that when I get close to the end of the page, it will turn to the next page and so on...
- I have also programmed the right pedal to advance the reg and the middle pedal to go back one.

I am enjoying it a lot. Just have to quit mixing up my fingers with my feet. lol

Ron

I'm not using apple, I'm a windows devotee. But I think MobileSheets is very similar so I get it, but thanks.
I tried the MS page scroll but my playing is not always keeping time as well as the program so I've ordered a bluetooth page turner, that will be fun when I get it. My feet will be busier than my fingers. But yeah, it seems very similar (it also has facial recognition as a page turning option but I'm afraid to try that  ).

I'm just finding and loading songs styles I like into the 720 now, making Reg and connecting them in Mobilesheets. Once I have enough of them done (or get tired of it) I'll start to arrange them into registrations and play around with them more. Arrangers are great, even if you don't play well you get a lot to play with.

An option with MobileSheets is to use a pedal from the Genos to turn the pages.  As I play organ (mostly), I don't have much use for the Sustain pedal, so I set Mobilesheets to turn the page when it sees a "sustain" message.  But you could use just about any pedal message that is transmitted over midi.  I just stuck with 'sustain' so I didn't have to change anything on the keyboard.  Works pretty good, and I don't need to set up another device.

Adam

Quote from: acparker on Jan 21, 2025, 06:26 AMAn option with MobileSheets is to use a pedal from the Genos to turn the pages.  As I play organ (mostly), I don't have much use for the Sustain pedal, so I set Mobilesheets to turn the page when it sees a "sustain" message.  But you could use just about any pedal message that is transmitted over midi.  I just stuck with 'sustain' so I didn't have to change anything on the keyboard.  Works pretty good, and I don't need to set up another device.

I get my registrations to turn the page. You can easily have a midi file memorized in a registration which sends the same message. That way registrations do all the work, and I can concentrate on the playing.

Cheers,
Fred

Quote from: acparker on Jan 21, 2025, 06:26 AMAn option with MobileSheets is to use a pedal from the Genos to turn the pages.  As I play organ (mostly), I don't have much use for the Sustain pedal, so I set Mobilesheets to turn the page when it sees a "sustain" message.  But you could use just about any pedal message that is transmitted over midi.  I just stuck with 'sustain' so I didn't have to change anything on the keyboard.  Works pretty good, and I don't need to set up another device.

Adam

With just one pedal I use for changing registration sequence I wasn't sure how to go about page turning.

When I saw the joystick option in MobileSheets Settings I thought, yeah that sounds pretty good for turning pages. So I got the joystick to turn pages, and it was pretty nice.... but it always turned to the last page. With 3 or 4 pages that was good, but with 5 or more pages it was skipping middle pages. I asked about it in the MS forum (they are very good) and it's not really a function meant to work as I thought, but be used with another program. He was surprised it even did what it did for me LOL Anyway, that set me back a bit, getting all the settings I'd changed back to original. It was fun for a while though, and it might become a feature someday.

I've since ordered a bluetooth page changer, it'll go forward and back. More stuff to get used to.

DGX670 OTS's. This is the way I Use OTS.
I save my favorite voices with adjusted volumes & DSP settings in banks of RGTs with STY Unticked....(You can make many-many Voice RGTs.)
Now I can select any style to play with my favorite voices from my RGT Voice Banks.
NOTE...Far Left OTS Link switched OFF.

@Ron

My page turner arrived, much excitement. I charged it up, read the manual (2 tiny pages worth), got it paired. Gave it a little test, pages turn nicely, forward and back. All smooth sailing, this will be good.

Got out a piece of music with 7 pages, so plenty of turning to do. Revved up the 720 and off I went... got to the end of the page anticipating the page turn... waited, and waited... I forgot to press the turner pedal   

Sometimes I really wonder what I'm doing here