New YEM V2.7.0

[ckobu]

V2.6.0 to V2.7.0

• Now supports the PSR-SX600.
  Incremental installation of Expansion Packs using a USB flash drive called as "Quick Installation" is now available on the PSR-SX900, the PSR-SX700 and the PSR-SX600 with the latest firmware.
  Yamaha Expansion Manager no longer supports Windows 7.
  Now supports only 64-bit Windows.
  Solved some other minor problems.

Windows 10/8.1
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/yem_win.html

Mac macOS 10.15 - OS X 10.11
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/yem_mac.html

[overover]

Hi all,

there are also new Manuals for YEM V2.7.0:


Installation Guide: https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/3/1353053/yamaha_expansion_manager_en_ig_v270_i0.pdf

Owner's Manual: https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/0/1353040/yamaha_expansion_manager_en_om_v270_j0.pdf


Best regards,
Chris

[overover]

Hi all,

I just installed the new YEM version 2.7.0 on my PC. To be on the safe side, I deinstalled V2.6.0 before (although Yamaha says this is actually only required for versions prior to V2.4.0).

In V2.7.0, I clicked on my "Genos" Install Target and selected / deselected some Packs. While doing this, YEM V2.7.0 was suddenly terminated without an error message. This happened again and again after several restarts of the YEM.

Has any of you observed this bug or did you notice this instability of the new YEM version 2.7.0?

I will next remove all Packs from the YEM, then re-import them and test again.


Best regards,
Chris

[Gunnar Jonny]

.....To be on the safe side, I deinstalled V2.6.0 before (although Yamaha says this is actually only required for versions prior to V2.4.0).

I've installed 2.6 over 2.5 when it was released, and today 2.7 over 2.6 without discover any issues so far.
When watch the process during the installation, I could see it did skip reinstall any files already in programfolder that's not changed, only the new and edited ones was copied into the programfolder.

[Toril S]

I have win 7!! So will keep the old version.

[overover]

I've installed 2.6 over 2.5 when it was released, and today 2.7 over 2.6 without discover any issues so far.
When watch the process during the installation, I could see it did skip reinstall any files already in programfolder that's not changed, only the new and edited ones was copied into the programfolder.

Hi Gunnar Jonny,

yes, as long as you don't update from a very old version (before 2.4.0), there shouldn't be any problems.

However, from time to time I still have the problem that the new YEM version 2.7.0 closes unexpectedly. I had meanwhile deleted the entire YEM User folder (with all the packs installed so far) and imported ALL NEW. So far, these are all free .cpf packs and 7 packs from "Easy Sounds".


Best regards,
Chris

[Gunnar Jonny]

......... However, from time to time I still have the problem that the new YEM version 2.7.0 closes unexpectedly.

If your OS is Windows, is it 64Bit?
Anyway, if this is a sofwarebug, I guess more of us that use YEM 2.7 will experience the issue sooner or later.... 🤔

[overover]

If your OS is Windows, is it 64Bit?
Anyway, if this is a sofwarebug, I guess more of us that use YEM 2.7 will experience the issue sooner or later.... 🤔

Yes, I'm on Windows 10 / 64-bit (current Version 2004).


By the way: YEM is a native 64-bit app now: The install folder (...\"Yamaha\Expansion Manager\") is no longer in "C:\Program Files (x86)" but in "C:\Program Files" now.


Best regards,
Chris

[Al Ram]

thanks.  I have YEM version 2.6 and will upgrade to new version 2.7

Just one question . . . . the 2.7 upgrade will not delete the current packs already in YEM . . . right ?

thanks

[overover]

thanks.  I have YEM version 2.6 and will upgrade to new version 2.7

Just one question . . . . the 2.7 upgrade will not delete the current packs already in YEM . . . right ? ...

Hi Al,

yes, upgrading the YEM will NOT delete the Packs that are already in your YEM. This is because all USER data of the YEM are in a special folder (at the path "C:\Users\<YourUsername>\AppData\Local\Yamaha\Expansion Manager\"). This folder is always retained, so it is not deleted by uninstalling or reinstalling YEM.

It's the same on macOS, only the path to the User folder is of course different.



Best regards,
Chris

[Al Ram]

Overover

thanks for your reply.  It is good to know.

Based on your comment, i downloaded, unzipped and installed the new version 2.7.  The installation process indicated that it finished the new install succesfully . . . . however, when i launch YEM it is still version 2.6

I restarted my computer and still version 2.6.  I ran the installation of 2.7 again but still V2.6

Not sure where the issue is . . . . . maybe i should uninstall current version 2.6 and then install the new version . . . .? hesitant . . . because i just installed a bunch of new packs and of course do not want to loose those packages already in YEM

Any advise ?

thanks

[overover]

... i downloaded, unzipped and installed the new version 2.7.  The installation process indicated that it finished the new install succesfully . . . . however, when i launch YEM it is still version 2.6

I restarted my computer and still version 2.6.  I ran the installation of 2.7 again but still V2.6

Not sure where the issue is . . . . . maybe i should uninstall current version 2.6 and then install the new version . . . .? hesitant . . . because i just installed a bunch of new packs and of course do not want to loose those packages already in YEM ...

Hi Al,

as mentioned before, the new YEM version 2.7.0 is obviously a native 64-bit app. Maybe the 2.7 setup (which is installing in the "Program Files" folder now) does not automatically remove the previous 2.6 version (which is installed in the "Program Files (x86)" folder, because it's a 32-bit app). If this should be the case, maybe the 2.6 version can still be started using the old desktop link. (The NEW version creates a NEW desktop link.)

To be on the safe side, I recommend to UNINSTALL the 2.6 version first. (Go to "Apps & Features" for this.)

Then please make sure that the location where you unzip the new zip file does not contain an old, unpacked YEM version, so as not to accidentally mix it up.

Now you should have the new version (see the attached picture). Your Packs and Install Target(s) inported before, as mentioned, are always retained in the YEM, even when uninstalling / reinstalling.


Best regards,
Chris

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[Gunnar Jonny]

....as mentioned before, the new YEM version 2.7.0 is obviously a native 64-bit app..

Hi

When I ran the update, it went into the same foder as before, Programfiles (x86) where the Yamaha folder with all Yamaha programs is installed.
I did not uninstall the old version, did not change anything during the update / install, and it did not create any new shortcut at desktop. Version showing now is 2.7.
When look into the folder, I can see a lot of .dll files have the last date of install, and those not overwritten or added is as before. No Yamaha folder in the Programfiles folder at my PC.
So far it looks like it works fine, but if there is any software bugs, I'm sure they will show up here too....

(My OS: Win10Pro version 2004 64Bit)

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Edit / Added:
To see if any fault occured, I've just added some more packs, and now it's totally 40 Yamaha and 3rd party packs, and install size is 3057MB.
As usual it take about 20 minutes or so, but no errors to see. The popup that tell estimated remaining and used time is as always 'out of tune', so here it's working as it normally does.

[Gunnar Jonny]

....Has any of you observed this bug or did you notice this instability of the new YEM version 2.7.0?

Hi Chris.
I managed to provoke that mistake with YEM shutting down.
It happened when I did not take the time to wait until the contact with Genos via WiFi was not fully established.
Repeated the same procedure, with the same result, window closed down.
It is clearly important that after adding or choosing to delete packages and when you click the Genos icon that you take your time and wait until the moving status bar at the top right has stopped.
I was a little too quick, and the program went down.
On the next try, I waited until the movements in the status bar stopped, (as I usually do) and the installation went painlessly. 😊

[overover]

Hi Chris.
I managed to provoke that mistake with YEM shutting down.
It happened when I did not take the time to wait until the contact with Genos via WiFi was not fully established.
Repeated the same procedure, with the same result, window closed down.
It is clearly important that after adding or choosing to delete packages and when you click the Genos icon that you take your time and wait until the moving status bar at the top right has stopped.
I was a little too quick, and the program went down.
On the next try, I waited until the movements in the status bar stopped, (as I usually do) and the installation went painlessly. 😊

Hi Gunnar Jonny,

thanks for your detailed feedback!

I hadn't clicked "Save as Pack Install File" or "Send to Instrument" when the YEM unexpectedly closed. As mentioned, this occured while I wanted to select or deselect some packs in the Genos Install Target.

In the meantime my YEM has fortunately "calmed down". Since my new installed YEM version 2.7.0 initially did not remember the window position and there were problems with maximizing the YEM window, I started the YEM (once) by right-clicking > "Run as Administrator", maximized the window and closed YEM. Then I restarted Windows. Since then I have had no more problems with the new YEM version.


Best regards,
Chris

[Joe H]

Was there a user manual specifically for YEM v2.6.0?  If so, can someone share it with me. 

I'm still running v2.5.3 but have a copy of the v2.6.0 setup file. Like a few others here, I will stay with Windows 7 x64 for my MIDI machine as long as possible.  I really don't like Win 10.

Joe H

[Al Ram]

Chris

Thanks for your recommendation and notes.

I uninstalled the previous version and installed the new one . . . . it now reads V2.7 and my 20 packs are still there.   Of course the real test will be when installing the next new pack, but it looks like there are no problems. 

Thanks a lot ..  . . have a great day.

[overover]

Chris

Thanks for your recommendation and notes.

I uninstalled the previous version and installed the new one . . . . it now reads V2.7 and my 20 packs are still there.   Of course the real test will be when installing the next new pack, but it looks like there are no problems. 

Thanks a lot ..  . . have a great day.

Thank you for the nice feedback, Al!

I'm happy to hear that it works now!


Best regards,
Chris

[LaHawk]

Yes the new update saves packs only as .cqi files. However the SX-900 does not accept .cqi files, only accepts full installer .cpi/.ppi files.
Now what?

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[overover]

Was there a user manual specifically for YEM v2.6.0?  If so, can someone share it with me. 

I'm still running v2.5.3 but have a copy of the v2.6.0 setup file. Like a few others here, I will stay with Windows 7 x64 for my MIDI machine as long as possible.  I really don't like Win 10.

Joe H

Hi Joe,

the last available YEM Owner's Manual was for V2.5.x. I have never seen a manual for V2.6.x. to download.

By the way: Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft. The final security patches for Win7 came out in January 2020. Since then, critical security holes regarding windows 7 have been known. Therefore, a Win7 computer should never be permanently connected to the Internet. In any case, it is recommended to switch to Windows 10.


Best regards,
Chris

[overover]

Yes the new update saves packs only as .cqi files. However the SX-900 does not accept .cqi files, only accepts full installer .cpi/.ppi files.
Now what?

Hi Larry,

just change the filetype from .cqi to .cpi after clicking on "Save as Pack Install File".  (See the attached picture.)

You have once to use the .cpi type. The YEM will remember the Packs you have already installed, so NEXT TIME you can use the Quick Pack Install method (and switch to .cqi filetype then).


Best regards,
Chris

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[LaHawk]

Thanks Chris,

I didn't see the drop down save as .cpi  I have saved all of my packs as .cpi files and they load fine in the sx-900.

I just can't figure out the purpose of a .cqi. file. Do I understand it's for faster loading? Could you or someone explain how to go about that? (The SX-900 would not load a .cqi file)

[Joe H]

Hi Joe,

the last available YEM Owner's Manual was for V2.5.x. I have never seen a manual for V2.6.x. to download.

By the way: Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft. The final security patches for Win7 came out in January 2020. Since then, critical security holes regarding windows 7 have been known. Therefore, a Win7 computer should never be permanently connected to the Internet. In any case, it is recommended to switch to Windows 10.


Best regards,
Chris

Thanks Chris,

My Win 7 is a dedicated MIDI machine and is permanently off line. Unless I upgrade from my S970 to a board beyond the sx900 I won't need the newer YEM. I have tried a Windows 10 machine and didn't like it... for a variety of reasons. At 72 years old I really don't need to upgrade anything unless I'm forced to.  Only time will tell if that will happen. I'm comfortable with the MIDI gear and software that I have now and don't really need anything more.

   

Joe H

[Toril S]

I too have a beloved win 7 PC. I also have a win 10 PC, and wonder if I can install TEM on that and start from scratch, or if I have to transfer something from the old win 7 YEM. I only have the Genos Superior pack in it.

[Fred Smith]

I didn't see the drop down save as .cpi  I have saved all of my packs as .cpi files and they load fine in the sx-900.

I just can't figure out the purpose of a .cqi. file. Do I understand it's for faster loading? Could you or someone explain how to go about that? (The SX-900 would not load a .cqi file)

Suppose you have 15 packs loaded, and you want to add a 16th. If you used only .cpi files, you would have to create a new one with all 16 packs, which takes a lot of time.

With .cqi, you can just add the 16th pack on its own, which would take almost no time at all.

Once you have created, and loaded, a .cpi file, then you can add on .cqi files. But you have to have a .cpi file done first.

Cheers,
Fred

[RagJose]

[...] Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft. The final security patches for Win7 came out in January 2020. Since then, critical security holes regarding windows 7 have been known. Therefore, a Win7 computer should never be permanently connected to the Internet. In any case, it is recommended to switch to Windows 10.

Microsoft seems so far to be keeping their word in that Win7 security issues would still be addressed after Jan 2020.  The last malware removal tool I got was last May.  Besides that, I keep receiving Microsoft Security Essentials updates, around 20 a month.  Never had a problem (of course, I follow basic safety rules).  I feel safe enough to stick with my old faithful Win7 for the time being.  Will keep YEM 2.6.

Cheers -- José.

[LaHawk]

Suppose you have 15 packs loaded, and you want to add a 16th. If you used only .cpi files, you would have to create a new one with all 16 packs, which takes a lot of time.

With .cqi, you can just add the 16th pack on its own, which would take almost no time at all.

Once you have created, and loaded, a .cpi file, then you can add on .cqi files. But you have to have a .cpi file done first.

Cheers,
Fred

Thanks Fred, for some reason I'm having a hard time grasping the concept of .cqi files. Currently I have 6 packs in YEM and on a USB, with one loaded in the SX-900. If I want to switch packs, I just load another from USB. I still don't understand how a .cqi file would help.

Sorry probably something simple I'm not getting.

[DerekA]

Most people would create a single install file with all 6 packs in it, not constantly swap (unless it was too big). That's the point of YEM.

So when you get hold of a new pack, you use the cqi method in YEM to just "top up" the keyboard with the new pack. Then you have them all available.

[Bernie9]

I successfully installed the few SX900 files that would load,but the Tyros and S970  paks would not.  I just uninstalled 2.6.0 and installed 2.7.0 with no loss of content.  There must be more SX900 compatible paks somewhere,but I am new to YEM.  In reading above about .cqi and .cpi,if I want to add to,and not replace my present library,I am unsure how to proceed.  .cqi is for adding,but I guess it won't work on SX900.
Bernie

[EileenL]

This is what the update to the YEM2.7.0 dose it now allows us to use CQI files in SX900.