Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)

[kpblues]

Hi everybody,
Hope you are all well in these tricky times.
Personally I'm enjoying the extra time to play and musically explore. My thoughts though go out to anybody who has been impacted by the virus.   
It's true that we may not see a new Genos for a while and while we wait we should all enjoy playing the instruments we have now.

Having said that.... the lockdown has given me time to put together my thoughts and suggestions on the next Genos!       
My guess is that any Genos 2 changes will be incremental rather than ground breaking but these changes do add up over time and can make quite a difference in the long run. In addition, new features may be introduced either from Yamaha's own creations or in response to other manufacturers developments.

Here's my input for what its worth

Sounds
Always the most important factor. Genos was major step up in sound quality from the Tyros 5 and as technology improves, I expect even richer, fuller sounds with even more DSP power.

Operations
•   12" tiltable High Definition screen
•   More onboard memory

Resources
These are available from online or expansion packs but I would expect any new Genos to include extra resources as well.

Styles
Guess another 50 styles based on previous upgrades

Voices
The PRS970>Tyros>Genos upgrades introduced a c30% increase in voices so maybe a 20% increase this time to 2000 voices. For comparison the Korg PA4X has 1900.

Multi Pads
•   6 Multi Pads
•   Each pad to have on/off "one press" capability (rather than two presses or work arounds)

Playlist
•   Larger playlist say 2700 songs

New Functions

•   Ability to convert midi files to styles
The Korg PA4X has this and it looks easy to use.
Results probably vary depending on the quality of the midi file but it would be an amazing feature to introduce on a new Genos.

•   Onboard sound editing, as with the montage/modx.
The ability to use layered sounds to create a voice via the Genos rather than offline especially appeals to me.

•   Single menu option to change overall sound mode.
There are different demands for live playing and recording so the ability to change the overall sound might be good.E.g. For live playing (punchier) or studio recording (cleaner). Genos can obviously change sounds via Master EQ and Compression but a single menu option to do this would be interesting.

Construction

•   New sleek black metallic look. I liked the Tyros 5 'metallic' look and feel a similar look in black would enhance the Genos appearance.

•   Non fade operating buttons. Some players are having button fade issues so maybe have new buttons with printing on the inside rather like the Tyros 5 glass type buttons.

That's it!

Hope it adds to the topic.

Kelvin

[metcam]

Song Syncro Start Off/On realy neded for all players who use MIDI songs and style together for play. At this moment on Genos and SX is almost perfect ,just need a little  to complete that functions:

MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.

Here is video how  to use MIDI + style .:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKMvv2Gz6ng&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QLA5bxFzJUG5p5LRl_GRA0GXPh8FP5SyMdPuJp6Gd0Ld9s0XCk0of5Zc

Regards

Also Is going to be very useful :MIDI DRUM EDITOR  so we have same as on style drum editor.

Regards

[dalekwars]

My wish is a simple one and that is that Yamaha completely do a new set of styles for every genre. I know it is painstaking work but on each successive model the styles are basically the same with tweaks and the odd new ones which I'm sure folks like me eagerly await. This is Yamaha's strong point their styles are so good but if you go back even as far as the PSR3000 the styles are all still the same...obviously there have been additions but what I'm trying to say is re write the whole lot!  Technology keeps improving, Revo drums, fantastic strings , voices etc but a whole new style set would again put Yamaha way out in front.

[EileenL]

Yes I do agree with having fresh styles but you then will always have people saying "Where are my Favorite ones" so I think a healthy mix would be better for some. It would be great if we could purchase a keyboard that had all the style spaces empty and we could build up our own set of on board ones though.

[DerekA]

It would be great if we could purchase a keyboard that had all the style spaces empty and we could build up our own set of on board ones though.

Isn't that what the User drive is for though?

I'm not sure that new AWM voices are needed. I mean how many accordions can one man actually use. I'm much prefer to see the FM-X engine from MODX brought in, even in a cut down version.

And l do think it was a mistake to lose the tilting screen, though I guess it kept the cost lower. Fewer moving parts.

[Joe H]

... I'm much prefer to see the FM-X engine from MODX brought in, even in a cut down version...

Actually, an analog synth engine would be better than the FM.  I have both a FM and Analog plug-in card in my MU128.  The analog is so much better sounding (warm) over the tinny, flat sounding sounding FM.  The only thing I like about the FM is the EPs and bell sounds, which is what FM is famous for.

I believe the PSR 9000 Pro had room for 1 plug-in card.  Maybe that's the way to go, or even offer soft synth versions we can buy. I would buy the 3 synth engines I have in my MU128...  the VL, FM and Analog. And add a Breath Controller jack so we could play those Virtual Acoustic saxes, flutes and other wind instruments with the correct articulations only accomplished using a Breath Controller.

Joe H

[Toril S]

Eileen, that is a great idea! To be able to delete onboard styles that we never use and put in new ones!

[Fred Smith]

Eileen, that is a great idea! To be able to delete onboard styles that we never use and put in new ones!

Won't ever happen.

User memory is where user styles go.

Cheers,
Fred

[Toril S]

I know that Fred😀 But it would be great.

[EileenL]

In fact Yamaha talked about this at one time. All the slots on categories would be empty and you would be given the styles to load in as you wanted them. If you did not ever use certain styles then you would just wait until other styles came along that you did use. These could be locked into the presets like you can do on Korg. With those keyboards you could tweak up the preset ones and then save them back into preset.

[Ingar]

Eileen, that is a great idea! To be able to delete onboard styles that we never use and put in new ones!

But we can do that allredy, in a way. Styles does not take up much space, and can be left ignored if you don`t use them, then you can put inn new style in user at your leisure. And more, if we decides to sell, the original styles should be intact.
Just my two cents

[Fred Smith]

But we can do that allredy, in a way. Styles does not take up much space, and can be left ignored if you don`t use them, then you can put inn new style in user at your leisure. And more, if we decides to sell, the original styles should be intact.
Just my two cents

We all know that we can put styles in the User drive (and they'd be in alphabetical order!). The discussion is changing the preset styles.

Actually, I'd be happy if preset styles were in alphabetical order, which is something we know Yamaha could do. Would make them much easier to find.

Cheers.
Fred

[metcam]

SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:

Since Yamaha rise song to 3MB now we need more "SONG POSITIONS markers"

It would be nice if Yamaha make in GENOS2 a minimum 8 or even better 12 of SONG POSITIONS markers:

Something like this:

SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:  possibility to call positions trough registrations will be very  useful  in next update.

regards

[metcam]

SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:  possibility to call positions trough registrations will be very  useful  in next update.

regards

PART (VOICE/DRUM KIT)  and VOLUME change  for each MIDI Chanel possibility to memorize (REGISTRATIONS MEMORY)  and call when need. Same as style parts! This will  be a very helpful!

Thank you Yamaha

[vanzee]

Hello,
something else to add to the list:
it would be easier if one could too
operate the midi-player via the physical buttons
at the kbd. while working in the section "Midi Multi Recording".

Eg. : when you want to insert a different drum kit into a midi
and you can listen to the many options while playing the midi
(via mixing) one has to switch back each time at the end of the midi
to the start screen to play the midi again.
The same when you want to pause eg. during tracking on
the score screen, ....

Another:
the "Song Position markers" to be set in a midi file
in Tyros are operated by means of physical buttons on the kbd.
Very useful for learning difficult passages
via the midi score screen.
These buttons are no longer present in Genos.
However, the "markers" can be controlled via the "Song" screen,
but then one has to switch between "song" and "score" screen each time.
Not convenient.
Either back fitted with physical buttons,
or provide this "Markers" function in the "score" screen.

[ckobu]

Style Creator has Drum Setup, is excellently made and easy to handle.
The same should be done to edit the SONG.

Now we can only do this with the help of XGWorks and computers. 
https://youtu.be/dmNPgXeirVA?t=27

[valimaties]

Style Creator has Drum Edit, is excellently made and easy to handle.
...
https://youtu.be/dmNPgXeirVA?t=27

Yes @ckobu, indeed, but there are some problems with Drum Setup,

• not every time will be saved in registrations (or it could be registrations bug)
• limitation about how many Drum Kits will be visible in Drum Setup. (I really don't understand why this limitation)
• sometime it crashes with a code for developers

[ckobu]

That's right, I noticed the mistakes you mention and I hope so that the Yamaha team will correct them.
When I praised Drum Setup, I was thinking of the concept of how it was done.
Especially since until PSR S770 / 970 this did not exist at all. The top model Tyros5 does not have it. 

[DrakeM]

I think it's time for a FIFTH main button to the keyboard. So many times I could use a fifth main for improving my arrangements. I know I could expand by using a registration and have on a few songs.

And perhaps with my next purchase when I have to go to using Registrations instead of the Music Finder this issue won't matter.

And I will be purchasing the the lighter SX series rather than a Genos.

[Dnj]

Redesign the playlist feature so it will list ALL SINGLE registration songs separately of all folders, Styles, Mp3's, Smf, etc,
all in a single alphabetical list to scroll thru ...

Add a 2" Larger all around TILT UP Display touch screen

ReDesign the overall size of the unit to make it a slimmer and smaller footprint.

REPLACE the VH2 vocal harmonizer and incorporate the TC Helicon VH in Genos..

[DrakeM]

REPLACE the VH2 vocal harmonizer and incorporate the TC Helicon VH in Genos..

And Yamaha can increase the price for that GEM addition.

[J. Larry]

Yes, I would agree with the suggestion to drop the size and slim-up the Genos.  As a senior, who totes his own gear, the size and weight of the Genos is what held me back.  That's why I opted for the SX 900.

[valimaties]

Redesign the playlist feature so it will list ALL SINGLE registration songs separately of all folders, Styles, Mp3's, Smf, etc,
all in a single alphabetical list to scroll thru ...

Playlist is good as it is right now. What is wrong now? Playlist is a shortcut to registration bank, which allows you to activate quickly and to auto-load some of screens, like Lyrics, Score, Text. It is the best way as it is right now. If you compare it with Korg's SongBook, these two are quite similar, making an analogy, SongBook store A REGISTRATION, Playlist store a Registration Bank. So it is powerful than Songbook!

Add a 2" Larger all around TILT UP Display touch screen

I agree (but only with tilt, Larger = is enough. Let's not make from our keyboards some television)!

ReDesign the overall size of the unit to make it a slimmer and smaller footprint.

That's why Yamaha built SX900/700, to have approximately the same functions as Genos, but to be smaller. For me, it's enough. (For Yamaha, too )

REPLACE the VH2 vocal harmonizer and incorporate the TC Helicon VH in Genos..

You will never see that, because Korg use TC Helicon. You will never see the same harmonizer on two brands. There are some contracts/agreements made, so ...

Regards,
Vali

[Dnj]

And Yamaha can increase the price for that GEM addition.

Drake the vocal tracking and directional dropouts on the VH2 is horrendous compared to Tc helicon.
If Yamaha cared about vocals they could improve is drastically for pro singers. This is why so many use an external TC VH unit with their Yamaha arrangers.  Take Care

[Genos!]

Drake the vocal tracking and directional dropouts on the VH2 is horrendous compared to TC Helicon.
If Yamaha cared about vocals they could improve is drastically for pro singers. This is why so many use an external TC VH unit with their Yamaha arrangers.  Take Care

I didn't know this about the VH2 in the Genos. Of course, I have never used the built-in VH2 once.

I've owned the Voicelive Rack since 2012 and haven't really used it probably as much as I should. 

[Toril S]

I want a 61 note, in silver😀

[Luluc]

Hi all,

Here is another feature that could be easily implemented in the next software update : Direct access to the end of the list.

In the Genos Style Creator/Edit List, when we have to edit an element at the end of the list ,we have to scoll the whole list to access it.
So, It would be smart to add an icon- for example a vertical arrow - to access directly the bottom of the list.

[Joe H]

... To bad Yamaha does not invest in an app that allows the Genos to integrate with DAW...
This could add so much to the Genos..

Lots of room for improvements of the current genos firmware..

The improvements I give priority to :

- more controls... for external instruments
- more assignable functions
- more arps, including an editor, or at least an option to load montage arps
- savable OTS sets
- better access to dsp management
- an expansion pack with synth sounds

BTW... the Easy Sounds Analog Xperience expansion pack has some very good synth sounds, you should check it out.

[Jan-Eve]

I agree with you Toril S. Silver and 61 keys on the Genos 2, and I will buy it...
Take care from Jan - Eve.

[DerekA]

BTW... the Easy Sounds Analog Xperience expansion pack has some very good synth sounds, you should check it out.

Agree Joe - I have this one and am very fond of it