Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)

[Audrey Turner]

Hello Everyone,

I've been following the discussion on the 'Tilt' screen and I think it is vital for people like myself who  play at Senior Homes because the Home I play at regularly, use their large conservatory which means most of the time the sun is shining on the area allocated to my keyboard and although I liked the Genos (particularly the R-n-R styles) I only kept it two weeks before trading it in for another Tyros 5 with it's lovely CLEAR TO READ 'TILTING SCREEN'  and I have no regrets at all.   However if Yamaha can see their way clear to putting a screen as good as the Tyros 5 on the Genos in the future, then I could possibly be persuaded to do another trade-in.   "Each to his own" as the saying goes. 

Audrey Turner

[Seagull29]

Hi,
just a suggestion but of importance: that the designers of the next Genos think of the blind men ! On the Tyros 5, there were buttons to access the functions but I can not imagine how a blind man  can do with a touch screen!
Greetings and a good week end
Seagull29

PS/ and if possible, a REAL STYLE CREATOR !!!!!!

[Fred Smith]

Hi,
just a suggestion but of importance: that the designers of the next Genos think of the blind men ! On the Tyros 5, there were buttons to access the functions but I can not imagine how a blind man  can do with a touch screen!

You need to check out Toril's posts. She had the same concerns as she has only 5% vision. But after getting a good deal on a Genos, and giving it a try, she loves the touchscreen.

Actual experience is much better than conjecture

[ckobu]

I think this is a bug that Yamaha should fix. This is a problem when activating VH always shuts off the microphone DSP insert.
I have described it in this thread,
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52379.0.html

and I will enclose a video showing it here.
https://youtu.be/wwWbcfvUITA

[Gunnar Jonny]

Hi,
just a suggestion but of importance: that the designers of the next Genos think of the blind men !  ......

The Voice Guide feature for Genos may be for a great help.

Quote from the info:

When Voice Guide is active, the instrument gives audible information on the current display or operation being executed, allowing those who have visual impairments to enjoy playing and using the instrument. The following information can be heard when using the Voice Guide function.

- You can operate the instrument while hearing the information shown in the display.
- You can recognize the display called up, the function being executed, and the parameter value you've set.
- You can recognize the preset Voice names, preset Style names, preset Song names, and preset Registration Bank names, etc.
- You can recognize display messages.
- You can recognize the button names on the control panel.


https://europe.yamaha.com/files/download/software/8/1178118/genos_voice_guide_en_tu_b0_text.zip

[bernamato]

The arranger plays mechanical due to pattern based.
I imagine an improvement on this matter. It could be useful to play the style in which, for example, the bass part play, every bar, a little different, with a different pattern in the same tonality/chord. A kind of "round Robin" applied to the pattern and not to a velocity.
bets regards,

[bernamato]

Another improvement could be a sync style/midi/song at our choice.

[pjd]

How about the euphonium from Montage? It's sweet for New Orleans-style jazz.

-- pj

[Joe H]

Just a month ago, @valimates wanted to have a Tempo Reset function. And the SX900 came with that feature. 
Some time ago @metcam requested the  PORTAMENTO function. Miracles, Genos has just that function, it's just called MONO LEGATO. There are many examples of this, from the 76-key keyboard (Tyros5), touch screen or Joystick (Genos, SX).

I suggested to Yamaha that the Live Control settings and the specific values of the Live Control parameters be saved in a registration.. Yamaha had to re-write the OS to do that... and that's what they did... and added a touch screen too (which many users wanted)  Now it's possible for Yamaha to add new features with the new OS.

I also suggested here on the forum that the Multi Pads be added to the Mixing Console, and include all the parameters that are available for the style Parts and Song Parts. That's coming with the v2.0 update for Genos.

I think the old OS made it impossible for Yamaha to respond to many of our requests.



Joe H

[overover]

How about the euphonium from Montage? It's sweet for New Orleans-style jazz. ...

Hi pj,

since a Euphonium is similar to a Baritone Horn:

Did you already try those Voices on Genos, for example "BaritoneHornLong", "BaritoneHorn Ten" (Tenuto) and maybe "BassTromboneTenuto" (all in Brass category) as well as "BaritoneHorn" in the Legacy Brass category?

(There is also a "BassTromboneTenuto" in EnsemblePart Brass category.)


Best regards,
Chris

[pjd]

Since a Euphonium is similar to a Baritone Horn:

Did you already try those Voices on Genos, for example "BaritoneHornLong", "BaritoneHorn Ten" (Tenuto) and maybe "BassTromboneTenuto" (all in Brass category) as well as "BaritoneHorn" in the Legacy Brass category?

(There is also a "BassTromboneTenuto" in EnsemblePart Brass category.)

Hi Chris --

Yep, I tried those Genos voices. I have the MODX and Genos side-by-side. The Montage/MODX euphonium is pretty darned good! Other Genos players would surely benefit if Yamaha added it to Genos. Shucks, they already have the samples and the voice programming...

BTW, I gig with the MODX. Although it's got the euphonium, the Genos clarinets beat the MODX hands down. You can't always get what you want. 

All the best -- pj

P.S. More about this at: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/just-like-starting-over/

[metcam]

MIDI & STYLE play at same time:


Right now we have: MIDI play and style play at same time , MIDI stop style continue play, MIDI start again automaticly style STOP.

We need: MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.


Thank you Yamaha.

Song Syncro Start Off/On realy neded for all players who use MIDI songs and style together for play. At this moment on Genos and SX is almost perfect ,just need a little  to complete that functions:

MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.

Here is video how  to use MIDI + style .:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKMvv2Gz6ng&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QLA5bxFzJUG5p5LRl_GRA0GXPh8FP5SyMdPuJp6Gd0Ld9s0XCk0of5Zc

Regards

[soundphase]

Arpeggios are rich for EDM music.

I understand there's no meaning for Harmony feature. But I would like the arpeggio feature to be extended for the left voice to become a target for arpeggios (Assign = left).

Soundphase.

[Linson]

I would like to have 6 or 8 multi pads instead of 4 of them.

[Enildo]

I would like to have 6 or 8 multi pads instead of 4 of them.

This subject has already been discussed here. What I understand is that the keyboard has 16 midis channels (between style tracks, voices, pads, etc) and each pad consumes one channel. 4 Pads = 4 Midi trails.
The solution would be to increase the number of midi channels from 16 to 24. Even this increase in channels would solve other problems with Midi as well.

Enildo

[soundphase]

AWM3 sound engine, with the same kind of algorithm than the one used for new drums on Genos 1, allowing the sound to be slightly different even if velocity and after touch parameters are identical.

[Luluc]

GENOS AUDIO RECORDING MONITOR OPTION

For a same song, when you do several takes of audio recording, it should be fine to have an option to keep the setting of the level of Input Monitor.

At present time, each time to hit REC, you have to set the level of Input monitoring. That is boring and not ergonomic at all.
For people do not wanting that, the option could be unticked.

[metsasarv]

I miss the possibility to play the keyboard without unnecessarily tiring my eyes. The instrument should have a so-called Dark Mode, Dark Theme. Possibility of both the screen and the lights on the buttons dimmed out with fine-tuning until completely off. For example, this would allow me to play the piano in a darker room without tiring my eyes with LEDs. Currently I sometimes use a towel placed on the instrument. Of course, this mode should not be saved for the next time you turn it on, so as not to cause confusion.
In addition -
  Please dont judge me if this already works, but I would like to know the easiest way to split the upper part as three separate instrument zones - and save it to the registration memory.
In addition, a couple of former wishes - easier integration with MPE midi to plug in direct  Seabord Rise49
In addition, the ability to use various vst plugins, such as SWAM cellos and so on
Thank You ..

[markstyles]

If you would like a feature, that a competing Keyboard has (like Korg)  I think it's ok to mention it.  Especially if you can think of a enhancement to it. This let's let's Yamaha know, that former Korg users, might 'migrate' over to Yamaha.

For instance I had a Korg a while ago, with a decently large screen, and found it much more useful, then Yamaha's buttons. Yamaha needed to 'catch up with the Jones'

Another example is Yamaha's DAW - Cubase (they bought it up a while ago)  uses a 'chord' track. Something which Apple in it's ultimate arrogance, refuses to think is helpful. 

My wish is that Yamaha does what Apple did with Logic Pro.  Make Yamaha arrangers, fit hand in glove with Cubase.  AND GIVE GENOS owners a 'cross grade' price to upgrade to top of the Cubase line.  That's one reason why Apple customers put up with the higher price.   Anything Apple is going to work perfectly with anything else by Apple.   

[Fred Smith]

  Please dont judge me if this already works, but I would like to know the easiest way to split the upper part as three separate instrument zones - and save it to the registration memory.

This is done by setting the proper split points (Left, R1+R2, R3). To save in a registration, the Style group must be checked.

Cheers,
Fred

[markstyles]

I would really like to see the ability to edit the drum sounds on the Genos itself. If I'm in a recording session, and I need to tune, shorten the drums, it is much too awkward to pull out a computer, set up and go thru the ritual.  Need to edit drums in the Genos.

[markstyles]

I would really like to see the ability to edit the drum sounds on the Genos itself. If I'm in a recording session, and I need to tune, shorten the drums, it is much too awkward to pull out a computer, set up and go thru the ritual.  Need to edit drums in the Genos.

[DerekA]

? Have you tried the 'drum setup' feature in the Style Creator?

[Brnjeuska74]

hello, for those of us who travel by plane .... beside all of the above.... size matter .... I simply don't understand why we have that extra body (like a handle) on Genos. It could be cut right to the key's on each side. That my friends is a problem for me and others who have to travel by plane. Size and weight is a problem ( I am aware of the light case for Genos)

Someone has mention Korg products (Pa4... etc) for those who can see bigger picture and ideas ...it's like never wanted to try different food or go to school to learn more. I do believe Yamaha is company that wants to be recognized and have markets everywhere, that being said ... reality is that it is not always the most practical product to chose. I just had to get that off of my chest. Thank you all and especially metcam [/b]for being the progressive.   

[Bachus]

Someone deleted my post about this topic quite some time ago..

But here we go again...

All the features of the modx..which would allow you to create nultiple splits with multiple layers.. with multiple arps and even have FM sounds... and make the bosendorfer a standard sound..  also FM sounds.. basically, this would be the advanced option, normal mode would still be 123R and 1L

Normal key with, still dont get it why Yamaha keys are smaller then all other brands,..

The reface CS synth engine...

The Organ engines of the reface YC and the new YC61

The Piano VCM engine of the CP series

The launchpad feature of Ketron

Onboard sound edditing and creation, also on board package management.. 

An ipad app, for edditing styles and songs, including piano roll

Other features of the ipad app, host for AUv3 sounds, sheetmusic reader build and much much more,,..

Audio over USB feature

The DAW integration of the Montage..

More onboard memory for samples..

Even more dsp power.. atleast 2 effects/sounds

Improved vocal harmony..

Improved style engine supporting true audio tracks and guitars like ketron does..
Being able to add more then 8+1 tracks to a style
Advanced AI features that make the accompaniments more dynamic..
Being able to convert songs/midi files to styles(korg pa4x)
True orchestral styles..  with multiple violins and cellos' and such

8 multipads, so you could have 2 banks loaded at the same time
Dsp power (effects) for the multipads

Being able to load and create arps... onboard .. with sepperate arps/track

An orchestral mode... which would work much like the ensembles... (multi division) you would have like 16 violins spreading over the played notes.. and 8 cello's...   

Being able to save OTS as sepperate iitems in a searchable database... so basically you would have all your OTS settings of all your styles archieved in one place...  its what korg calls keyboard sets on pa4x

A 12" tiltable screen..

A modulation wheel and a touchstrip next to the joystick..

Being able to connect 2 expression pedals..  and a 3 part piano pedal..

Full onboard support for a lower manual..  including sepperate voices to assign to a lower manual..
Even better would be an optional lower manual and pedals to turn Genos is a true organ..



And the list goes on..



And even tough i truely enjoy my Genos..
There is so much room for improvement..
And yes, i realise yamaha cant implement all these..
But it gives them a list to pick from..


I also think we will not see a Genos before end 2022 maybe even 2023
5 or 6 years between instruments seems to become the standard..

[DerekA]

Just throwing you a crumb, Bachus - if you are missing the mod wheel, the modulation +/- can be assigned to one of the 6 knobs. Not quite the same as a wheel, but a little easier to use than the joystick + hold button.

[Toril S]

No need for a Genos 2, just update what we have. Much better for the environment, - and for the pocket book!

[Joe H]

... And the list goes on...

I doubt we will see many (if any) of those upgrades in a Yamaha arranger. What is probably possible with a firmware update is... expanded  capabilities with Live Control, expanded options for the foot pedal (live control) more arpeggios and even an arp editor to create your own user arps. Sounds like you should buy a Yamaha synth like the Montage or MODX to go with your Genos.

We have talked about the hypothetical synth-arranger before.  I'm satisfied with my FM, AN and VL plug-in synths, Motif Rack XS, Proteus 1000 upgraded to the 2.26 firmware with 16 live arpeggiators with User Arps (and software to edit and create new arps). The Peavey PC1600x hardware MIDI controller with 16 programmable faders is an awesome tool that enhances my sound modules capabilities with remote sy*** control.

I've also purchased the Phat Analog, Magic Dance, Analog Xperience and Dreamscapes expansion packs from Easy Sounds. These packs give me some great synth Voices, drum kits, new styles and hundreds of new Multi Pads. Maybe one day I will upgrade to the sx900... that would be the icing on the cake (for me anyway)



Joe H

[Bachus]

I doubt we will see many (if any) of those upgrades in a Yamaha arranger. What is probably possible with a firmware update is... expanded  capabilities with Live Control, expanded options for the foot pedal (live control) more arpeggios and even an arp editor to create your own user arps. Sounds like you should buy a Yamaha synth like the Montage or MODX to go with your Genos.

We have talked about the hypothetical synth-arranger before.  I'm satisfied with my FM, AN and VL plug-in synths, Motif Rack XS, Proteus 1000 upgraded to the 2.26 firmware with 16 live arpeggiators with User Arps (and software to edit and create new arps). The Peavey PC1600x hardware MIDI controller with 16 programmable faders is an awesome tool that enhances my sound modules capabilities with remote sy*** control.

I've also purchased the Phat Analog, Magic Dance, Analog Xperience and Dreamscapes expansion packs from Easy Sounds. These packs give me some great synth Voices, drum kits, new styles and hundreds of new Multi Pads. Maybe one day I will upgrade to the sx900... that would be the icing on the cake (for me anyway)



Joe H

Currently i get all my synth needs from my ipad..
To bad Yamaha does not invest in an app that allows the Genos to integrate with DAW or IPAD..
This could add so much to the Genos..


Where it comes to Genos firmware updates.
I agree with you
- more controlls..also for external instruments
- full access to all msb/lsb banks for external use with synth hardware
- an option to just add ban and program changes (midi out) instead of an internal sound (or both)
- more asignable functions
- more arps, including an editor, or atleast an option to load montage arps
- onboard editor and sound creation tools, access to edit and create sa sounds and open up the indepth features of the AWM2 engine
- savable OTS sets
- better access to dsp management
- making the bosendorfer samples available
- also adding the organs of the YC reface, as they are AWM based(farfisa/church/combo/japanese home, including an interface like the 3 current drawbar instrument)
- an expansion pack with synth sounds

Lots of room for improvements of the current genos firmware..

[EileenL]

My with all this stuff added when do you get time just to sit down and play the instrument and even record a song we can all enjoy.