Yamaha's support for the Genos

[Spirit of the old South]

Failing a Yamaha supported forum, how about providing some workshops and video tutorials that would cover in detail some of the more complex and powerful arranger features. All we get from Yamaha are demonstrations, most of which aren't even presented in English. Pretty disappointing once you see what Yamaha offers to their synth owners. Scratching my head over this.

this will not happen, 3rd parties are covering this now for a fee.

[Wim NL]

@Jørgen

Thanks for all your support.
I have sorted out now all Multi Pads from Genos intern styles.
see http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42259.0.html

[panos]

If you tell us you guess, so you didn't even search in manual for some info. This is not a good approach.

Didn't have to cause I don't own a Genos.Psr is satisfying my needs.

All I am saying is that I don't see videos on youtube of people playing songs using all the new features that Genos has and have demostrated from professional piano players.
And i wonder why is that happening?
Is the keyboard "friendly" for the users to use all those new features like arpeggios etc. while playing live or is it difficult so they just use the Main buttons to play the Rocky and Game of thrones themes? (which are superb styles).

[XeeniX]

Gary,
The information I seek is not in any of those two, nor the lesson chapters or even the faq page. Like you I read up on those manuals. Not to know then by heart but to get unstuck when stuck Before spamming the more knowledgeable people on this forum with questions before I even realize that I have them, I would like to find articles, tutorials, books (and paying for them if they are not free like the lesson chapter here) on more advanced things that are not in these two manuals, the data list (used that one for my drum re-mapping experiment lately ) or for example the YEM manual. Its more advanced options are only mentioned in the YEM manual but not explained.

Frank,
Thanks for mentioning those names and links! I know Heidrun's continuos work on you tube and her website and even bought some of her work registrations and teh creation of those more advanced ones however are no longer a mystery. I couldn't recall the name of the German guy anymore that made a dvd about wave samplig. A bonus dvd I receibed buying the T4. It went along with the T4 sadly enough when I sold it. I will check those links and names out and will try to find out if they are what I am looking for or if these people sell the more advanced stuff that goes a little deeper than just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to options in YEM like voice creation.

kind regards,
Peter

[StuartR]

this will not happen, 3rd parties are covering this now for a fee.

Care to share any specific 3rd parties that are providing this service for Yamaha arrangers? I've got my checkbook ready!

[travlin-easy]

Stuart, just make that check out to the PSR-Tutorial.com. This is one of the best third party support teams available on the internet for Yamaha Arranger Keyboards.

Gary 

[Jean Abdou]

Well I respectfully disagree with most of you have said.  I think the arranger keyboard is superior to Yamaha synths for creating music from scratch and/or arranging... it is easier to do because of the architecture.

As far as Phil goes... I have had a totally different experience with him and his "Power User" guides are rather simplistic to say the least.

Joe H

I am sorry but as far as I know, Yamaha arrangers do not have a fully fledged sequencer like the one in MOTIF series, so I can not give your statement a credit. The menus in the expansion manager is ~50-40% simpler than what you have in MOTIF series. I assume the same applies to the sequencers.

The existence of a sequencer is not crucial, and I prefer a tight integration with DAW far more as it is more versatile, user friendlier and faster to work with.

About Phil I am not saying he is a saint or an angle, but I learned how to operate my keyboard with his simple guides. We look at the problem from two different angles. I found it much easier to develop from simplicity to complexity.

Yamaha is slow in adding feature to its products. Most of the new additions you see in Genos have been available in Garageband and MainStage for years. I believe Yamaha can do much better by copying what Casio did!

[StuartR]

Stuart, just make that check out to the PSR-Tutorial.com. This is one of the best third party support teams available on the internet for Yamaha Arranger Keyboards.

Gary 

When I joined several years ago I became a supporting member by ordering the complete collection of styles and midi files on USB. All well and good. Now I'm ready to support some advanced video workshops for Genos.

[XeeniX]

Found the company that provided in-dept dvd tutorials.
www.keyboard-seminare.de

Thanks again Frank for mentioning those names and thanks Al Ram for bringing this website up in another thread. I'm not sure ofc but I think given time this company should be able to fill a gap for Genos owners and the Genos specific technology as well.

me one happy camper now and off to buy the ones that interest me.. The two dvd's for T4 I had before giving them away were absolutely worth their money (for me that is).

kind regards,
Peter

[Lee Batchelor]

The existence of a sequencer is not crucial, and I prefer a tight integration with DAW far more as it is more versatile, user friendlier and faster to work with.

AGREED!!!!!!! I'm versed in DAW applications. To date though, I have yet to figure out how to get a DAW to play nice with ANY Tyros keyboard!!! Either I'm stupid or Yamaha makes it possible for only the top 1 percent of people to figure out how the hell to integrate their arranger keyboards with a DAW. I'm still in the dark. Yamaha needs to give us a user friendly DAW that works, so we can create our own tunes and styles for the Tyros/Genos. They don't seem to give a damn about anyone other than the genius level user, and yet, we all pay the same price for our keyboards  .