Who can? to make a style and voice extractor of ppi, cpf, , cpi, Tyros 5

[iulistil2]

Who can? to make a style and voice extractor of ppi, cpf, , cpi, Tyros 5 SIMILAR Style In Ppi Files ( similar Style In Yep, PPI Files PSR )

[Jørgen]

Hi

Style extraction in ppi files is at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/yep/index.htm 

Regards
Jørgen

[Joe H]

 iulistil2,

Voices cannot be extracted from Expansion Packs, at least no one has found a way to that just yet.  And I'm sure Yamaha does not want us to do that.

With the latest arrangers you can make new Voices in YEM from WAV samples.   It is possible someone will find a way to extract Yamaha samples, but Yamaha states this is not allowed.   So... right now you would have to "Sample" the Voice you want to copy and make a new Voice using YEM.  You know that creating new Voices is difficult and time consuming.  Yes it would be nice to just "copy" a Voice wouldn't it?

Joe H

[iulistil2]

Thanks Jørgen ! It extracts only the PSR .
Thanks Joe H !
This way of working is devastating result in my country Romania very small number of sales units bad YAMAHA Tyros 5. Decisions taken by Yamaha engineers to restrict the possibility of working freely with or what resources. Tyros fans including myself have sanctioned this as fighting off the voice editor! November Tyros therefore not buy five! I try to help those who are less Tyros five in my country but we censored the leading aun it Tyros bad result in the sale of five!

If Yamaha does not make better decisions for us when Tyros 4 remains the best!

I respect and thank you!

[EileenL]

You cant extract voices from packs on Tyros 4 either. They are not meant to be altered. Why buy them if you don't like them and want to alter them.
   It is easy enough to extract styles Just select and save to user section.

[angelonyc]

The Extension packs are a source of revenue for Yamaha, that is why they are not gonna let any one copy them, give away or sell..

Personally, I have bought several, but have mixed feelings.. some of them are quite nice,, but the majority, I have no use for.. Also the price is an issue, you can rack up a ton of money buying all the packs. for me the price point it not really worth it to me..

I use my Tyros 5 with a computer, Logic Pro and a myriad of sound libraries, some of the libaries have sounds more suited to my needs.. A surprising amount of the time, the Tryos 5 suits my needs fine.. I did recently bought a Roland Integra - 7.. And I really like the contrast and variety.. The Roland works well with the Tyros for a well rounded out assortment of sounds..

[iulistil2]

Yamaha does not have to do so! Most have strong dislike about their packs! Packages sounds are not to be in my country! "SouthEastEurope" a big disappointment! The majority opinion! I do not think will sell well this package! 

[Joe H]

iulistil2,

I have read your comments and others in your part of the world who say the Expansion Pack Voices are not authentic sounding.  It is too bad about this, but YEM WILL allow you to make your own Voices with WAV samples.  I agree you should not have to sample ethnic instruments to create realistic sounding Voices.  Yamaha should be doing that already.

Regards,
Joe H

[valimaties]

Like Iulica said, for romanians SouthEast for Tyros 5 is  more than a bad pack. I don't know how they could even think to sell something like that! They are only a couple of voices that are a little bit usefull, but almost every sound is far away from the reality. Cymbalom sound is like a Grand Piano modified! WTF Better would be sold separately some of voices. If they had a player with that voices on their website then it would be easier to buy just what we needed.
Like I said in other of my posts, in our country the music is more complicated than other countries. All the problem comes from Yamaha Romania, witch has a bad directory, and does not think in interest of romanian, but in interest of himself. Even that, he lost a lot of sell because of his stubbornness...

[SeaGtGruff]

A while back I was thinking about this issue of how "authentic" a given voice sounds, and I was struck by an amusing or ironic thought. In the "old" days when synthesizers were still pretty new to the public, we didn't worry that a synthesized flute sound (or horn, or guitar, or whatnot) didn't sound exactly like the "real" thing-- in fact, we expected it to sound "artificial" or "synthesized," and that actually made it sound "cooler" to us. Yet today we gripe about how a piano voice is not as good as we were expecting, or how the organ sounds on a Yamaha don't sound as authentic as the organ sounds on another brand of keyboard, or how a flute voice has too much tremolo, etc. I'm not suggesting we should stop expecting authentic-sounding samples, or that manufacturers shouldn't strive for better sounding voices; it just struck me as being kind of funny how our expectations and sensibilities change!

[valimaties]

A while back I was thinking about this issue of how "authentic" a given voice sounds, and I was struck by an amusing or ironic thought. In the "old" days when synthesizers were still pretty new to the public, we didn't worry that a synthesized flute sound (or horn, or guitar, or whatnot) didn't sound exactly like the "real" thing-- in fact, we expected it to sound "artificial" or "synthesized," and that actually made it sound "cooler" to us. Yet today we gripe about how a piano voice is not as good as we were expecting, or how the organ sounds on a Yamaha don't sound as authentic as the organ sounds on another brand of keyboard, or how a flute voice has too much tremolo, etc. I'm not suggesting we should stop expecting authentic-sounding samples, or that manufacturers shouldn't strive for better sounding voices; it just struck me as being kind of funny how our expectations and sensibilities change!

We spoke about ethnic sounds from those packs who Yamaha sells... And more exactly, about SouthEast Pack witch it was released with "romanian authentic sounds". Bull***. I don't know where or who sing with those instruments sampled, but I think they didn't know from whom to sample, and how should sound those samples.

[iulistil2]

[iulistil2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EuaRPJBkaE

That should sound a pack for Romania! Real Sounds like "Tambal" AC Bass, Braci, Taragot, Accordions Casoto,  Supita, Fluier, Trumpet, ......... - all are so specific and so demanding!

[valimaties]

Those voices sounds good, most of them much better than official release of SouthEastern Pack, but even so, this is sound of PSR. For Tyros 5 I expect something else. I expect a professional studio sample of each sound with a couple of layers for each voice. I think your cymbalom is too glossy. The real sounds of our traditional instruments, Yamaha can found here ... https://www.facebook.com/pages/L%C4%83utarii-din-Chi%C5%9Fin%C4%83u/275337685686 They are the only ones that could give as the real sounds of our traditional instruments, and also they can give as (or to Yamaha style engineers) the technics of each instruments in style, for different type of chords.

[iulistil2]

I understand that it is almost impossible to create perfect live instruments but with all respect what you pack your port for Yamaha for South Eastern Europe is too amateurish to sound bad. Yamaha should make changes in Romania in terms of people..people with long experience and skilled ... I tried to engage with them but wanted! I have a bitter taste about Yamaha Romania with my country all their employees who have something to hide shady business! 

[larvol]

Hi

Style extraction in ppi files is at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/yep/index.htm 

Regards
Jørgen

I'm sorry but your software cannot manage PPI created BY YEM FOR TYROS5

[valimaties]

I'm sorry but your software cannot manage PPI created BY YEM FOR TYROS5

I tried some weeks ago and the same as you the result was an empty folder. The PPI has a couple of styles, about 15.

[SeaGtGruff]

That's odd, I just tried Jorgen's program on a PPI file and it worked perfectly.

Are you using the updated version of the program?

Can you explain what you mean by "PPI created BY YEM FOR TYROS5"? I thought PPI files were just for the PSR-S670 so far, and presumably for the PSR-S770 and PSR-S970 as well once they're released?

Has Yamaha published software for users to create their own PPI files, or are you using a utility that someone else programmed?

Can you post your PPI file so Jorgen can look at it? Or if it isn't one that you created and own the rights to, can you post a link to where you got it from?

[Jørgen]

Right Michael

As there is NO DOCUMENTATION of file formats from Yamaha I got to have a file to find out what goes wrong.

I sure hope not that Yamaha have designed model specific ppi file formats.

If the file is "home made" and not follows Yamahas format, bad luck...

Jørgen

[valimaties]

That's odd, I just tried Jorgen's program on a PPI file and it worked perfectly.

Are you using the updated version of the program?

Can you explain what you mean by "PPI created BY YEM FOR TYROS5"? I thought PPI files were just for the PSR-S670 so far, and presumably for the PSR-S770 and PSR-S970 as well once they're released?

Has Yamaha published software for users to create their own PPI files, or are you using a utility that someone else programmed?

Can you post your PPI file so Jorgen can look at it? Or if it isn't one that you created and own the rights to, can you post a link to where you got it from?

PPI file is created by Yamaha Expansion Manager, v. 2.2.0, for Yamaha Tyros 5. No results of extraction with last version of Jorgen.

[larvol]

I think those PPI for Psr670 and PPI for Tyros5 are totally different.I wonder in what format would be those voices when you extract them???All styles can be SIMPLY COPIED FROM TYROS5 HDD AFTER INSTALLING CPI OR PPI.PPI for T5 are created by YEM when only custom or not locked packs are in, when we put at least one premium pack in the software and mark it for the install file making proccess it will automatically become CPI and not PPI.

[Joe H]

Jorgen's program was written for PSR keyboards and only extracts style files... not Voice data.

Joe H

[Jørgen]

Right, Joe

And that is why I have named it: "Style In YEP/PPI Files"... 

Regards
Jørgen

[valimaties]

In a PPI pack of Tyros 5 can put even styles, registrations, lyrics etc. A pack can be encrypted, and that is a CPI file extension, or not encrypted with PPI extension. If I don't want to install that pack (PPI) to can copy after that the styles saved on HDD on folder of expansion pack, how can I extract those styles? We thought that Jorgen program do this job. But it not working with any not-encrypted pack of Tyros 5. Sorry, but does not work, at least not for me.

[SeaGtGruff]

valimaties, is there a PPI file for the Tyros5 that you can send to Jorgen to examine and test with?

[iulistil2]

In a PPI pack of Tyros 5 can put even styles, registrations, lyrics etc. A pack can be encrypted, and that is a CPI file extension, or not encrypted with PPI extension. If I don't want to install that pack (PPI) to can copy after that the styles saved on HDD on folder of expansion pack, how can I extract those styles? We thought that Jorgen program do this job. But it not working with any not-encrypted pack of Tyros 5. Sorry, but does not work, at least not for me.

You are right!

[larvol]

You are right!

It's easy to copy. Probably you don't have Tyros5 - then I understand your answer.

If I don't want to install that pack (PPI) to can copy after that the styles saved on HDD on folder of expansion pack, how can I extract those styles?

Sorry, if you don't simply want to do this - this means either you are too lazy or you don't really need this pack or it's content(nothing personal)

[valimaties]

..... too lazy.... you made me laugh....
When you have an 925 MB own packs installed of 1024, and you don't really want to erase the memory only for one style, sorry, That's mean I'm lazy?! Oh, my God... It seems that you really don't spend your time with your Tyros 5.  What means, if you have to extract 5 styles from 5 PPI files, that have a lot of memory each (spend at least 15-20 minutes per pack to install)?! I think you didn't think when you write the comment. Please don't speak with me like this if you don't know "what is about in the story" ! ....
There are a lot of users, of Yamaha users that only modify some styles from what Yamaha provides, or they have enough money to buy styles from Yamaha music store, but not all of us, of Yamaha keyboard players, want to spend their money to Yamaha. We pay a lot for a keyboard. We need someone like Bedesem, or Jorgen, etc, that knows the ins and outs of Yamaha Keyboards to provide (at least they) free software for doing our jobs more easily. We appreciate their work, I'm a programmer, and I know how much time is lost to make a software. Unfortunately, I make management software, not something like this...
In conclusion, if you don't want to help, why you write a post?! Write only if you know what is about....

[EileenL]

Load the packs onto your keyboard. Now press the style button and tab to Expansion folder Select the pack. You will now see the styles. Select one and tab to user section and press save. That's it. You may need to revoice it if you are not going to have all packs loaded in future.

[larvol]

..... too lazy.... you made me laugh....
When you have an 925 MB own packs installed of 1024, and you don't really want to erase the memory only for one style, sorry, That's mean I'm lazy?! Oh, my God... It seems that you really don't spend your time with your Tyros 5.  What means, if you have to extract 5 styles from 5 PPI files, that have a lot of memory each (spend at least 15-20 minutes per pack to install)?! I think you didn't think when you write the comment. Please don't speak with me like this if you don't know "what is about in the story" ! ....
There are a lot of users, of Yamaha users that only modify some styles from what Yamaha provides, or they have enough money to buy styles from Yamaha music store, but not all of us, of Yamaha keyboard players, want to spend their money to Yamaha. We pay a lot for a keyboard. We need someone like Bedesem, or Jorgen, etc, that knows the ins and outs of Yamaha Keyboards to provide (at least they) free software for doing our jobs more easily. We appreciate their work, I'm a programmer, and I know how much time is lost to make a software. Unfortunately, I make management software, not something like this...
In conclusion, if you don't want to help, why you write a post?! Write only if you know what is about....

It's amazing how people take it personal - I wrote in the brackets NOTHING PERSONAL - I meant if you really want those styles you'll get them. Now tell me but HONESTLY - how many those PPI files you have and how many of them include styles!!!???1Gb 2? 3? 10? When you really need them - load a full card - install - then copy ALL STYLES and NOT ONE just in case for the future and save it in the other place. Ok, you spend 1 hour or 2 or even 5 but you'll get the result and will never come back to that problem. And one more thing - mostly ppi files are made by users - so they probably IMPORT those styles into YEM which means if they upload PPI files they can upload those styles too.I can help with cpi styles from the packs;). But will you have a desire and time to revoice them???Especially drums???
I've got 2 GB card - and have enough space for all I need I play for the gigs - so I spend a lot of time with my T5.