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Started by JDSY, Jan 08, 2025, 01:15 AM

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JDSY

Hello dear folkes!

I'm trying to successfully make my own styles! I've done it a few times and made some success but I can't replicate it. Is there a written 'help' section in any of the manuals?

I want to know what the different abreviations are for. Like NTR,NTT, just basically I need to understand the settings in the SFF edit screen.

A few days ago I got a style to play correctly in different keys. it was in a minor key, i looked at the SFF for the two chord parts and it was Root Trans, Melodic Minor, and NTT Bass 'ON' for the chord parts

I need to understand what this stuff all is because it's behaving in unpredictable ways.

it's weird because I set the root/chord for the bassline, (just a single repeating bass root note), I'm writing it in F# . So root, is f# for the bass line. but if I record it, it sounds right, but I disengage record for the bass part, it transposes down a note.

ALso, I can get the style part chord 1 to play correctly when I record it, but when i disengage record for that part, it transposes into something else.

I know you guys out there have done a lot of videos but I'd prefer to find out through a tutorial of sorts, like, a book or document/manual

I am really hungry to learn how to make what I want to make with the style creator. I've done so much with FL Studio and Yamaha QY700/MO that I think this new approach is a lot of fun and it's interesting.
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Nijirou

Hi JDSY,

I hope you're doing well! I wanted to take a moment to clarify what NTR, NTT, and RTR are, particularly in the context of Style Creation on Yamaha keyboards.

NTR, NTT, and RTR Overview:
These are key parameters that allow for refined control over chord generation and accompaniment patterns:

NTR (Note Transposition Rule): This setting adjusts how chord patterns are played, ensuring they use the closest inversions.
NTT (Note Transposition Table): This table helps in generating different scales or melodic variations from a given major scale melody.
RTR (Retrigger Rule): This rule optimizes the transition between chords, enhancing smoothness and accuracy in performance.
These parameters can be configured to control how chords change across different types and keys, preventing unwanted results, especially in sections like intros or endings when a chord type is altered. For example, NTT helps resolve potential issues during chord type transitions, while NTR ensures the closest chord inversions are played.

Detailed Explanation of NTR and NTT:
NTR (Note Transposition Rule)
This setting determines how notes in the Source Pattern are transposed based on chord root changes. Here are the available options:

Root Trans: Maintains the interval between notes. For example, the notes C3, E3, and G3 in the key of C would transpose to F3, A3, and C4 when moving to the key of F. This is ideal for melody lines.

Root Fixed: Keeps notes as close as possible to their previous range. For instance, C3, E3, and G3 in the key of C would become C3, F3, and A3 when transposed to F. This setting is typically used for chord parts.

Guitar: Transposes notes specifically for guitar accompaniment, mimicking natural guitar fingerings.

NTT (Note Transposition Table)
This table determines how notes are transposed based on the chord type change. Here are some options:

Bypass: When NTR is set to Root Fixed, the transposition table has no effect. When NTR is set to Root Trans, the table adjusts only the notes to maintain pitch relationships. This is ideal for Drum setting.

Melody: Ideal for most melody lines, such as channels like "Bass," "Phrase1," and "Phrase2."

Chord: Suitable for chordal arrangements, such as "Chord1" and "Chord2" channels.

Minor Scales (Melodic, Harmonic, Natural Minor): These settings adjust the third, sixth, and seventh notes in relation to major and minor chord transitions.

Dorian: Adjusts the third and seventh notes in a similar manner to the minor scales.

Guitar-Specific Settings:

All Purpose: Works well for both strumming and arpeggios.
Stroke: Designed for strumming, with some muted notes to replicate real guitar strumming sounds.
Arpeggio: Tailored for producing beautiful four-note arpeggios.
Additional Parameters:
NTT Bass: Affects slashed (on-bass) chords. For example, in a Dm7/G chord, the bass note transposes to G instead of D. When NTR is set to Guitar, this parameter only affects the lowest note in the guitar voicing.

Rhythm Channels: These should be set to "Root Fixed" for NTR, "Bypass" for NTT, and "Off" for NTT Bass to ensure rhythm channels remain unaffected by chord changes.

High Key/Note Limit:
This parameter adjusts the range of note transposition for chords, affecting both the highest and lowest notes played.

High Key Limit: Sets the highest octave for note transposition. Any notes above this limit will transpose down to the next lower octave (available when NTR is set to Root Trans).

Low Key Limit: Sets the lowest octave for note transposition.

Pitch Shift Options:
Stop: Notes stop sounding.
Pitch Shift: The pitch bends to match the new chord without a new attack.
Pitch Shift to Root: The pitch bends to match the root of the new chord, but the octave remains unchanged.
Retrigger: The note is retriggered at a new pitch for the next chord.
Retrigger to Root: The note is retriggered at the root of the next chord, with the octave unchanged.
Important Notes:
Please ensure that parameters are set before recording, as changes made after recording may prevent proper transposition.
When NTR is set to "Guitar," the transposition table is ignored.
When NTR is set to "Root Fixed," NTT Type is set to "Bypass," and NTT Bass is set to "Off," the parameters change to "Play Root" and "Play Chord," respectively.
I hope this explanation helps clarify the function and purpose of these parameters in Style Creation. Have you enjoy the Style Creations. :]

Best regards,
Nijirou
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JDSY

D00D! this is great. I will refer back to this as I go. I managed to find out the right way to program a style. I can't really explain it but I'm able to get predictable results for what I am doing.

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JDSY

Hey folkes again!

SO- I made a new style today. Still trying to master it!

I set the play/root in the rhythm section to play G maj. I set the source root for bass, chord1, pad, phraze 1/2 as G Maj. this doesn't seem to stick.

I've saved after making these adjustments- test it outside the style creator and it needs some sort of adjustments to do with pitch and a guitar part getting too low. So I go back to style creator, and the play/root has reverted back to C M7. It's pretty frustrating!
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JDSY

S0-

I just was playing a style I made and I wasn't able to adjust the reverb depth for a piano part. The dial did nothing!

OK!

last post for now! I turned off the keyboard. Maybe it will work after a reset. Will try again later.

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JDSY

hey sorry- I'm not giving you guys enough time to respond!

I simplified the style I'm working on. One thing at a time. the chord 1, is the guitar part. Still sometimes need to re-set the Play/Root after testing it in the style playback. I gotta figure out how to make sure the guitar transposes up and not down.

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Nijirou

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Quote from: JDSY on Jan 09, 2025, 09:22 PMhey sorry- I'm not giving you guys enough time to respond!

I simplified the style I'm working on. One thing at a time. the chord 1, is the guitar part. Still sometimes need to re-set the Play/Root after testing it in the style playback. I gotta figure out how to make sure the guitar transposes up and not down.

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Hi JDSY,

I've heard the style you created earlier, and I have some recommendations to improve it:
- Chord and Melody: If you play chords in a lower melody range, consider increasing the high-limit key to A or B. If too Lower keys may not produce the best sound quality, especially for guitar in my opinion.
- Intro/Ending Sections: For these sections, try setting the root to Root Transpose. Also, ensure that the NTR Bass is turned off for the bass part of the intro and ending.
- Variation and Fill-In: It's best to complete the four main variations and four fill-ins before working on the intro/ending. You can copy the main variation to the intro section and then use channel editing to adjust the melody as needed for the intro/ending.

I've created a style called 8BeatRumba that you can check out the style in the Style Creator. I hope it helps! 🙏🏻

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Nijirou (★‿★)
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rattley

Hello!!

This is great information!  Even though it's in the manual, it's easier when explained this way. I'm hoping repetition and pure determination will link it all together some day..............   -charley
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