Comparison of T5 and Genos 2 - can you tell the difference???

torben · March 06, 2024, 02:34:08 AM

This is funny ...

https://youtu.be/_Qe5lZIwgEI?si=LAAkSNPPq4vABY5U

Be honest - close your eyes - and see(hear) if you can tell the difference in quality of sound ...

Torben

DrakeM · March 06, 2024, 08:36:28 AM

He just compared the same old style names from each keyboard.

He should have used a few of the NEW G2 styles on the T5 and compared them to the G2 sound. Then we could see the G2 shine (IMO).

I did a comparison of 15 new G1 styles to my PSR-S950 four years ago. Not much difference there either and confused some people as to which was which and I wasn't even trying to d that.

Drake

torben · March 06, 2024, 10:23:36 AM

Drake - that would not be a fair comparison as I see it. You should take the same style, play it on the 2 keyboards and listen to the difference. Then you should (hopefully) hear a clear difference in sound - or?

You would if you played the same song on a regular piano and on a Steinway.

Torben

DrakeM · March 06, 2024, 10:40:07 AM

I would love to find someone on YouTube demonstrating just the intros and endings of some of the new G2 styles. I have l looked a few times but so far I have just found people performing a tune with the new styles.

I believe I have done a pretty good job of reworking the G2 styles to sound and work with my S950 keyboard. I just have not found good videos to compare them to on YouTube yet.

DerekA · March 06, 2024, 10:41:13 AM

But if you're only going to use the same voices, features and styles on the G2 as you did on the T5, then there's no reason to change it. I would have thought you only change to a G2 because you want to use the new voices, features and styles that it offers.

torben · March 06, 2024, 10:49:53 AM

Deerek - apparently the styles have been amended to suit the Genos 1. Some voices are new in the G2, certainly, but voice s can be tweeked. The main advantage for the Genos 2 should (I presume) be the general sound of the instrument.

Torben

overover · March 06, 2024, 10:56:12 AM

Quote from: torben on March 06, 2024, 02:34:08 AM
This is funny ...

https://youtu.be/_Qe5lZIwgEI?si=LAAkSNPPq4vABY5U

Be honest - close your eyes - and see(hear) if you can tell the difference in quality of sound ...

Torben

I can already hear a clear difference through the speakers on my smartphone (i.e. that the G2 sounds much better).

Best regards,
Chris

torben · March 06, 2024, 11:05:01 AM

Hi Chris

good for you - I can't

Torben

mikf · March 06, 2024, 11:11:53 AM

I also thought there was a definite difference, with G2 better. But the sound is not the only difference anyway, so I am not sure what the point is. I think we all already know that these keyboards are on a plateau technically, so differences are small. A few new voices, a few new features, a different look, a bit better keybed feel...it all adds up.
Is the difference worth the upgrade cost. We all decide that for ourselves, but as I keep pointing out, most new TOTL arrangers are not bought by people changing out their previous TOTL arranger anyway. So that upgrade cost/value doesn't come into it.
Mike

KurtAgain · March 06, 2024, 11:14:34 AM

Quote from: DrakeM on March 06, 2024, 10:40:07 AM
I would love to find someone on YouTube demonstrating just the intros and endings of some of the new G2 styles. I have l looked a few times but so far I have just found people performing a tune with the new styles.

Hello Drake, maybe this YouTube video can be helpful for you:
Demo of all COUNTRY styles: YAMAHA Genos2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvUrddB0tqQ

Gunnar Jonny · March 06, 2024, 11:30:23 AM

Quote from: torben on March 06, 2024, 10:23:36 AM
You should take the same style, play it on the 2 keyboards and listen to the difference.

And if you take a style created for or at G2, do you think there will be a difference played at T5?
I have not listened to the comparsion yet, but when I play older Yamaha styles at G2, I'm surpriced it sounds much better than played at G1. Even 3rd party styles does.
Don't ask me why, because I thought they would sound very similiar at both G1 and 2.

DrakeM · March 06, 2024, 02:43:49 PM

The Tyros 5 came out just one year after my S950. I have to use the "Rev Drum Cleaner" program to clear up the G2 styles to be able to use them in my keyboard. I would think the Tyros 5 keyboard user would have to do the same in order to use the new G2 styles as well.

Drake

Oxford1035 · March 06, 2024, 05:24:31 PM

I don't think listening to a YouTube video on whatever device you use, whether it's a laptop or phone is the ideal way to compare the sounds of 2 keyboards. The sound will only be as good as the speakers you are hearing it through, and that will be nowhere near hearing the keyboards live. The only thing I find funny, is why someone would ridicule a keyboard based on a YouTube video

Kind regards,

Russ

Bill · March 06, 2024, 05:48:17 PM

Quote from: torben on March 06, 2024, 02:34:08 AM
This is funny ...

Torben

Hi Torben and everyone else.

Yes it certainly made me smile, although not necessarily in the way you think.

To be totally truthful I did not listen to it all, just enough for me to determine the overall object or intent of the video. Being the type of person I am I just don't understand why people think they need to justify something. If you don't want to upgrade to another KB that is your own decision, it's a free choice and no need to justify it. If you decide to stick with what you have, fine, but no need to convince others to do the same. It's like safety in number, strange, yet very common.
The guy only demo's the Styles with no info on how they are setup, so Totally useless as a comparison.

Bill

torben · March 07, 2024, 06:56:42 AM

Listen my friends

I have no intention or hope to change your minds already set on upgrading to a Genos 2 from Genos 1 or T5.

It is completely up to of course you if you want to spend a small fortune in upgrading or not. I only want to try to make you think - perhaps - if the money is really well spent. If you think so - good for you!

The ones between you who say that you really cannot judge anything from the sound of a YouTube video I will just say: well - perhaps 90% of all music in the world is to be heard through peoples own loudspeakers, at home. So if there is not a major - really major - difference in the sound of a T5 and a Genos 1 or 2, you might choose to stay with what you have got.

OK - new instruments bring new gadgets. But are they really so necessary for you?

If yes- by all means buy the new toy.

To me for instance - taking my keyboard on the "Road" - it is very important that the Genos 2 weighs app 1 kilogram more than Genos 1.

Anyway, my intention with this upload was only to make you think. I am not trying to "ridicule" anybody as suggested maliciously ...

Maybe we should stop here and let peace reign on this great Forum.

Have a great day!

Torben

DrakeM · March 07, 2024, 07:52:01 AM

Nope ain't gonna, because now you got me wondering if I can make my S950 sound as good a Genos 2 using G2 styles on my S950.

Amwilburn · March 10, 2024, 04:49:11 PM

by the way, the reason I don't advise comparing sounds on Youtube, most people play youtube through really crappy speakers. Not because it's the fair comparison.

If you have really good speakers to listen to YouTube through? You will absolutely hear a difference. But you'll still hear more in person (non-compressed/ no mp3 artifacting). But this is what Yamaha is running up against now: the clarity of their instrument far exceeds the clarity of most pc speakers (and cell phones) and indeed, even exceeds youtube compression, and in some cases, people's hearing ability (most males over the age of 50 have lost significant hearing above 13khz; I have had coworkers younger than that (in their 30s) who coudn't hear anything a tone generator produced above 13khz. (that's not good, but not the worst. My HS physics teacher, who was in his late 50's, couldn't hear any tone generated above 11khz!!! Typical for most adult men is 14-15kHz cutoff. I myself can no longer hear 20kHz, last I checked 1 ear could still hear 19khz and the other couldn't hear above 18kz.

Which was kind of funny when one of my younger coworkers started playing with a signal generator on his cell phone, cranked it up, and started laughing "this doesn't make any sound". Meanwhile, at the back of the store I shouted "WHat the hell is that sound?!" it felt like my ears were bleeding.

Had another coworker (again, around 30 when I was in nearing 50) who couldn't hear a high frequency hiss, brought about when a customer wanted to try his pre amp with really high end QSC 1000w speakers.

WHen the customer plugged his guitar into the qsc, nothing, it sounded great. Then he went to his truck and brought in his preamp, and before even plugging his guitar in, I had to cover my ears. Both the customer and my coworker both looked confused. "WHat's happening"?

I shouted back (my hands stil covering my ears:)"There's a really high frequency, but loud hiss, that your preamp introduces". And my coworker and him looked at each other "We don't hear anything". My corworked laughed and suggested maybe I was hearing things

Right then a mother and child came in, and as soon as they both heard the high frequency hiss, they both covered their ears and collapsed to the floor in pain. So I quickly unplugged his preamp, and the noise was gone.

Customer just stared at me: "So, that's probably always been there? I take that to all my shows!"
My coworker shook his head and looked at me, puzzled "I didn't hear nothing, either?" (he's a drummer)

And I replied "as long as your entire audience is men over 50, it shouldn't matter too much (at which point he said said that they were)

Why not women? Women tend not to overcrank headphone volumes or play instruments too loudly (electric guitar, bass, drums), not as often anyway. Almost all guys do this in our teenage years "Because we're tought" etc.
And Children have even more sensitive hearing.

Hearing damage is permanent, unless you have £22 million to spare (google Phil Collins).

So yes, the more hearing you've lost (ie the lower the highest frequency you can hear), the less impressive a clear sound will be to you. We can also lose hearing due to chemo and radiation treatments, so it's not all self induced either.

Fun fact: there are high frequency generators that stores used to (maybe they still do?) to keep younger kids from hanging out in front of them.

Mark

BogdanH · March 14, 2024, 10:04:07 AM

hello all,
I just stumbled on this thread by coincidence and my comment is...
I did only watch few minutes of the video and I agree, it's not really useful comparison for me. Not because of sound quality, but simply how it's made.

In general I agree with Torben: it's not about bashing someone who already made a jump. Comparisons in general are meant for those who maybe consider to switch and still can't decide. They (we all) wish to find the answer: does it make sense for me? That is, what is "worth" for someone else, is not necessary "worth" for me.
We all know, that increase of sound quality from one generation to next is VERY small. Many times however, because we "wish to have it" or justify our decision, placebo effect kicks in and we become 100% convinced that there's a big difference.

I think that comparisons/rewiews on Youtube can be very useful if they're well made and commented with objective/informative remarks! Sadly, not many such videos exist on Youtube.... usually most of them just wish to sell something, or earn money by pointing on stores.

Just sharing my thoughts,
Bogdan