Is there an upgraded electric guitar in an expansion pack?

[GrannyRocks]

Hi Everyone,

I haven't felt the need for the specific expansion packs for G2, but I am wondering if there is or are some better electric guitars sounds. I love the acoustic guitar, but not the electric. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

[EileenL]

Why not try the Country pack.

[ton37]

Hi, I'll just leave a comment to answer your question. As a guitarist I have owned many (electric) guitars. Tried many pickups, had many stompboxes (effects) and amplifiers. So your demand for a 'better' sound is an almost impossible one! Firstly because there are millions of 'electric' guitar sounds and secondly 'which one' is your taste?
Now back to an option: if you enter your search term 'guitar' in 'Voices' you get 200! sounds. The internal search engine can 'only' handle a maximum of 200 hits, so there are more.
Moreover, you can tune them fairly easily to your own taste. Give it a try: take the '60'sBalladGuitar' as an example. (E.Guitar, the 2nd). Now just turn the 'Knob Assign' <Cutoff> and <Chorus> etc. You will hear a big difference in the characteristic sound. You can then save that if you want. You actually do the same with an electric guitar, turning the many knobs until you get a sound you like.
P.S. The 'freepacks' do not contain guitar sounds that exceed the Genos2 guitars in terms of quality. In fact, the G2 had great guitarsounds (objectively speaking)
Just my 2 cents!

[DerekA]

I think that the electric guitar is one of those voices where they *way* that you play it - including careful use of bends and vibrato - has a huge impact on how "good* it sounds. If you play it like a keyboard, well, it will sound like a keyboard.

[pjd]

Tried many pickups, had many stompboxes (effects) and amplifiers. So your demand for a 'better' sound is an almost impossible one! Firstly because there are millions of 'electric' guitar sounds and secondly 'which one' is your taste?

Hi Beth --

Ton has a good point, there. Perhaps if you could say a little more about the desired guitar tone, purpose or musical context?

Much of the Genos guitar tone is determined by the DSP effect applied to a basically clean guitar sound. As Ton mentioned, there are many effects and combinations of effects which can be applied.

Hope your playing is going well and you're having fun -- pj

[soundphase]

I think that the electric guitar is one of those voices where they *way* that you play it - including careful use of bends and vibrato - has a huge impact on how "good* it sounds. If you play it like a keyboard, well, it will sound like a keyboard.

Nevertheless, I didn't succeed in reproducing enough correctly the sound of the guitar Eric Clapton played in "Wonderful tonight". There is always something wrong (the attack, the chorus, the equalization, the sound itself ....) when I switch the guitar sound and try to adapt the sound with "voice edit" and change effect parameters....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprwkbzUX6g

If someone succeeds, I will be happy to "copy" the results.

[ton37]

I guess @DereckA  was referring to a real guitarist. On Genos you will never succeed as the effects (Dsp's) are very limited. Hey it is a keyboard, not a guitar. As an example: the echo reverb does an echo of 4, maybe 5?, at a max. A reverb stompbox can do 7 or more phases. Nevertheless, knowing that, there are quite acceptable 'imitations' we like

[kiplis]

The sound of the guitar is really a difficult question because there are millions of options.
Anyway, I'm bothered by the glide effect in almost all guitar sounds (A and E), which I
haven't been able to remove yet. I looked at the manual and the menus, but I haven't yet
found an adjustment for glide like you can do for e.g. portamento.
Is the only way to try to play the "voices separately", i.e. avoid pressing two keys consecutively
or partially at the same time?
As a guitar player, I don't enjoy this excessive sliding between two voices.
And sorry, this is just my personal opinion, not complain against G2.

[BogdanH]

Nevertheless, I didn't succeed in reproducing enough correctly the sound of the guitar Eric Clapton played...

-because that's impossible. To achieve that, you'd need to play on guitar.. and play it like Eric does.

For example: when he plays gentle solo, he pluck strings in the middle of pickups and for short inserts he pluck strings closer to the bridge. This changes the sound/timbre tremendously and is impossible to simulate on keyboard while playing. To make that possible, we would need additional wheel/joystick where we could change pluck position while we play.. but we only have one left hand (which in this case, is used for bend/vibrato).
-and this is only one example!

But in general, it's still surprising how good a guitar can be emulated on keyboard -although I personally am not really skilled in that 

Bogdan

[ton37]

The sound of the guitar is really a difficult question because there are millions of options.
Anyway, I'm bothered by the glide effect in almost all guitar sounds (A and E), which I
haven't been able to remove yet. I looked at the manual and the menus, but I haven't yet
found an adjustment for glide like you can do for e.g. portamento.
Is the only way to try to play the "voices separately", i.e. avoid pressing two keys consecutively
or partially at the same time?
As a guitar player, I don't enjoy this excessive sliding between two voices.
And sorry, this is just my personal opinion, not complain against G2.

Fyi: in the legacy folder are some nice guitars without (unwanted) slide-effect (do not choose a SA-sound) . But I agree, those has to be also in the presets. I'v also did not found a setting to avoid this.

[kiplis]

Fyi: in the legacy folder are some nice guitars without (unwanted) slide-effect (do not choose a SA-sound) . But I agree, those has to be also in the presets. I'v also did not found a setting to avoid this.

Thanks Ton.
Yes, I am aware of those voices, and they are partly ok. I was just curious to know if anyone
has found a setting to avoid excessive sliding in most of the guitar sounds.
(specially with acoustic guitar)

[GrannyRocks]

First, my apologies. I forgot to click on notify, and so I thought no one had answered, which seemed so surprising. Then in the middle of the night, I woke up and thought "I didn't click notify." I really appreciate your comments, thoughts and suggestions. I wondered how possible it is to sound like an electric guitar and I can try some things you have mentioned. I love a clean, warm, bluesy kind of tone, that kind of crying sound you can get on a guitar if you know what you're doing. And I can try some things, but I'm tempted to try to play the guitar. I'm very happy with the new acoustic in Genos2, and I'm really pretty crippled, which makes guitar playing challenging. In fact, the idea of playing the guitar seems insane. I can't lift more than 5 lbs, I can't stretch my arm for any kind of body (therefore the electric), my fingers are extremely small, I need something left handed because of a displaced humerus due to a bad break, etc. So I was trying to find an easy out on the Genos. haha.

Hugs to you all for being there. You are truly a treasure chest.

[Michael Trigoboff]

Guitars you might be able to play:

Silent Guitar

bodyless guitar Google search

[GrannyRocks]

Guitars you might be able to play:

Silent Guitar

bodyless guitar Google search

That is fascinating! I am in the process of ordering a left=handed headless electric guitar with a very thin body. It's from a custom shop. We are selling our Kawaii CA99 to get the money together. I don't even know I can play a guitar. I just have the bug. Hehe

[ton37]

The sound of the guitar is really a difficult question because there are millions of options.
Anyway, I'm bothered by the glide effect in almost all guitar sounds (A and E), which I
haven't been able to remove yet. I looked at the manual and the menus, but I haven't yet
found an adjustment for glide like you can do for e.g. portamento.
Is the only way to try to play the "voices separately", i.e. avoid pressing two keys consecutively
or partially at the same time?
As a guitar player, I don't enjoy this excessive sliding between two voices.
And sorry, this is just my personal opinion, not complain against G2.

Hi @kiplis, maybe it is a good idea if you make a separate post about this 'annoying' effect? I'v also not found a solution for this. I don't want to hijack your post and maybe it is something to add on the 'bugs/whishlist'? ;-))

[soundphase]

I don't remember perfectly where, but you can switch on/off articulations (3 parts) of SA2 sounds. I don't think it concerns SA sounds and it's global.

I think AI will help in the future for this kind of issue.

[pjd]

I don't remember perfectly where, but you can switch on/off articulations (3 parts) of SA2 sounds. I don't think it concerns SA sounds and it's global.

Voice Setting has options for turning ON/OFF S.Art2 Auto Articulations: Head, Joint, Tail. Head and Tail affect the attack and release portion of a note and Joint interconnects two notes.

I believe you're correct about "regular" SA -- no tweaks through the front panel.

All the best -- pj

[ton37]

Thnx. @Pjd, I was aware on those settings (p 41 RM). I tried it out with S.Art 60sBalladGuitar, but even when those setting are on <OFF> the 'annoying' sliding is and stays still there.
Tmo. the sliding is a 'general' effect, not a S.Art? Also the Violins makes its difficult to play legato without sliding-effect. I don't want to play it staccato: adjusting the playing style to accommodate an imperfection in the incorrectly applied technique is a bit strange, to say the least. Just like the discussion about SSS. Oh, Oh Yamaha ... another mistake? ;-))

[Amwilburn]

pjd is correct, the sliding is part of articulation on S.Art guitar voices; the legacy ones that predated that, you could actually control the slide via velocity.
S.Art also provides hammer ons and pull off's! And of course fret noise.

Unfortunately, all the articulated guitars are S.Art, not S.Art 2, so there's no way to turn them off; you sort of have to learn to play around them (for example, there's no hammer on /slide if you jump up a 5th or more. If you play the higher (but within a 4th) note softly, there won't be a slide, you have to attack the higher note (ie hit it relatively hard) to induce the slide.

These instructions used to be posted on the voices themselves during the Tyros era. (forgot when they stopped doing it, but the instructions via info button on each voice were helpful to learn how to utilize each voice)


Sorry, forgot the point of the original post: yes, DSP programming is the key! Go in there and tweak the cabinet type, the amount of drive/gain, etc.
Unfortunately, in the case of "Wonderful Tonight" it's essentially a 'clean' guitar (no significant distortion or overdrive), so you've got a lot less you can tweak. I'd start with one of the Shadow or Solid guitars, and go from there.
Mark

[ton37]

Thanks for your explanation Mark. I appreciate, but what I meant/wrote is: ' adjusting the playing style to accommodate an imperfection in the incorrectly applied technique is a bit strange, to say the least'. At least I prefered if there would be a setting to set this completely <OFF>. OK, I dream' on 

[DerekA]

This 'glide effect' is actually part of what Super Articulation voices are *for*. They automatically insert these little touches like glides and fret noise as you play.  Most casual players (including me!) like what they do.

It's true that there is no text description about how to play them. But the voice display does show a set of icons which indicate the articulations that are available. They are listed in the reference manual section that describes this display.

[ton37]

I know and I don't 'dispute' that either, it gives a nice effect for a keyboard player. But no real-life guitarist will play all those slides like this, so it has something of a 'gimmick' in it. Therefore, it would be nice if it could be turned off if you wish. Of course there are some other guitars (or stringed instruments) without this addition, but they are of slightly inferior quality. And that's a bit of a shame, but I can live with it... as a keyboardist 

[soundphase]

In the future, we can hope AI will help to automatically add this effect more like real guitarists do.