Arranger keyboards after the old folks are gone

[KurtAgain]

I really get sick and tired of all the moaning about what Yamaha should and should not do.

And I think it's uselless anyway. After many years, I have come to believe that Yamaha doesn't listen too much to what its customers say. Maybe they listen to what their elite demonstrators say. In any case, they are very successful with how they do it for many years. There is a famous quote attributed to Henry Ford: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." 

[pjd]

Famous quote attributed to Henry Ford: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." 

There's a lot of truth to this. Manufacturers need to lead their customers. The danger is getting too far out front and leaving them baffled. This was always a challenge in product planning.

Some people reacted to audio styles like they were the spawn of the devil. Could be they were ahead of their time? Might seem them again someday. Yamaha has a bunch of patents for Ketron-like styles...

All the best -- pj

[mikf]

I'm sure Yamaha pay attention to what customers say, but that doesn't mean they rush off and implement it. Everything is filtered by their business strategy. If people make suggestions that are 'like to have' but make no business sense, they shouldn't be surprised if they never see the light of day. And I'm afraid most suggestions I see on the forum likely fall into that category.
Mike

[Amwilburn]

There's a lot of truth to this. Manufacturers need to lead their customers. The danger is getting too far out front and leaving them baffled. This was always a challenge in product planning.

Some people reacted to audio styles like they were the spawn of the devil. Could be they were ahead of their time? Might seem them again someday. Yamaha has a bunch of patents for Ketron-like styles...

All the best -- pj

The biggest flaws with that (other than limited tempo ranges, which also affects the Ketrons, but nobody seems to be complaining there) were
-not easy to edit (true); could be alleviated by including the closest fit midi style drums so people have the option. They've already converted a best fit midi style for some of them, like Nature Hip Hop, 80's Rock Anthem.
-Can't record while playing with an audio style
   -true with midi (since there isn't drum midi data), but could be alleviated by allowing access of the .aus file and synch playback after recording
   -true with PSR's via audio, since they only have 2 channels of audio. *but* all they'd have to do is upgrade the PSR's to 4 channel audio (like the Genos/Tyros) so that they can play back the audio style wav drums, while simultaneously recording audio through the remaining tracks)

But boy, some of the best sounding styles were Audio styles. 80'sRockAnthem, Industrial Chill, Tango Flamenco...

Mark

[EileenL]

Yes Gunner Jonny,
  Wishes are a different matter but when people start ranting about how Yamaha don't listen and rip people off just because they have not added what they wanted then I call this moaning and also insulting members who have bought the new product and hinting we have been ripped of. The thing about posting some Music is so we can see what they are trying to do. Yamaha do not come onto forums so don't hear all this. They have there own site called Ideal scale which they do read.

[Denn]

Please tell me How do you play "Rap" or "Hip Hop" on an arranger?
Maybe turn off all the voices in the styles except for the thumping drum and put a paperweight on the lower part of the keyboard?
Denn.

[mikf]

Tell me how you play rap on a piano, or violin, or bagpipes. Does that make them a 'failure' as a musical instrument?
Horses for courses.
Mike

[DrakeM]

Please tell me How do you play "Rap" or "Hip Hop" on an arranger?
Maybe turn off all the voices in the styles except for the thumping drum and put a paperweight on the lower part of the keyboard?
Denn.

You play the beat on the keyboard and SAY THE WORDS, just like you would any other song. 

[Divemaster]

Reminds me of a very funny ad for a brand of tea where a firm of removal men (played by chimpanzees) let go of a piano that rockets down the stairs.
The strapline was.
Eh Dad....Do you know the piano's on my foot?

To which, the gaffer replies...

You Hum it Son... I'll play it! 🤣

Keith.

[EileenL]

Yes I remember that well. Great advert.

[mikf]

Guy in a bar approaches the entertainer and says, 'can you play Danny Boy'. And the entertainer says it's not something I normally play but I'll give it a go. About half way thru he notices that the guy is in tears, so he stops and says ' I can't help but notice that this song seems to be very emotional for you, are you Irish?'. And the guy says 'no, I'm a musician!'
Mike

[Michael Trigoboff]

Reminds me of a very funny ad for a brand of tea where a firm of removal men (played by chimpanzees) let go of a piano that rockets down the stairs.

Humans have done this too...