Voice effects question

[GlenC]

I have been playing around with the voice effects today, in this particular instance the ShadowedGuitar.

Pressing the VOICE button shows the effect as ECHO, my question is can a voice have more than one effect like ECHO and CHORUS for example.  As a guitar player I am used to layering effects on a pedal board, not being limited to only one effect.

Also while playing around with different effects and settings I got lost which were the original settings, is there a way to set these back to default without turning the keyboard off then on again.

Glen

[andyg]

You can't imitate the collection of pedals that a guitarist might have on the floor to stomp on.

But you can have 3 effects. One will be reverb, and that reverb type will apply to all sounds at the level you require. The second will be Chorus, and again the selected type will apply to all sounds at the desired level. Of course, you can change the reverb and chorus types and set their parameters if you wish to change from the defaults.

The third is the DSP effect and you have pretty much free choice over what you do with this one. For Hank's sound, I usually play around with the echo type and parameters until I get what I want, then add a touch of chorus and then reverb to suit the piece.

To get back to the original DSP settings for a voice, have you tried selecting a different voice and then reselecting the one you  were working on?

[pjd]

Hi --

I recommend browsing through the variation/insertion effect types in the Genos Data List PDF (starting page 49). You'll find quite a few "distortion" effects, some of which chain multiple effects together (e.g., Comp + Dist + Delay).

The best place to start is the MULTI FX effect type (AKA "algorithm"). MULTI FX is like a mini guitar pedal board in a single insertion effect block (compressor, wah, distortion, speaker sim, phaser, delay). The MULTI FX parameters are listed on page 60 in the Genos Data List PDF.

Yamaha use this effect type extensively in factory voices. MULTI FX and SMALL STEREO DIST are my go-to effects. I have a few articles on my site (links below).

Hope this helps -- pj

https://sandsoftwaresound.net/out-of-the-shadows/
https://sandsoftwaresound.net/multi-fx-drawbar-organ/
https://sandsoftwaresound.net/psr-effects-electric-piano-3/
https://sandsoftwaresound.net/yamaha-keyboards-which-amp-sim-is-that/

BTW, welcome to the Forum!

[GlenC]

Andy, PJD

Many thanks for your feedback with my sound query.

I didn't realise there was a Multi Fx affect option, thanks for pointing that out.  I could only find the Genos2 data list in a Excel format, is that what you was referring to or the Genos1 Data list in PDF format.

Thanks again, Glen

[ton37]

Yes, the Excel Datalist for the G2 is the right one. There you see all the Effect types

[pjd]

Thanks, Ton!

If people prefer PDF over a spreadsheet, the Genos2 effects are 95%+ the same as Genos1. The two big additions are REVelation reverb in the Reverb Block and a new multi-band compressor (Multiband Comp) in the variation/insert blocks.

I prefer PDF, myself. 

This is kind of an "ant's eye" view of Genos2.

-- pj

[bpsafran]

I have a different voice effects question. Why do
many OTS as well as commercial registrations add
an additonal reverb as a DSP on top of the general reverb ?  Why not increase the general reverb amount for that particular voice and a DSP for something else?

[pjd]

Why do many OTS as well as commercial registrations add an additional reverb as a DSP on top of the general reverb?  Why not increase the general reverb amount for that particular voice and a DSP for something else?

Been thinking about this. The new Ambi drums have adjustable room ambience followed by global reverb. Instead of having samples for the room ambience, why not put a small room reverb (early reflections) before a global reverb? Might be a way to simulate room ambience and make drums (or whatever) sound thicker or bigger.

Just an idea -- pj

[ton37]

It could be 'dangerous' to ad reverb (=noise) to a reverb (= noise x n) and after that more volume (((noise x noise (n) x Volume(n))) Kind of E=mc2 

[KurtAgain]

You can't imitate the collection of pedals that a guitarist might have on the floor to stomp on.

But you can have 3 effects. One will be reverb, and that reverb type will apply to all sounds at the level you require. The second will be Chorus, and again the selected type will apply to all sounds at the desired level. Of course, you can change the reverb and chorus types and set their parameters if you wish to change from the defaults.

The third is the DSP effect and you have pretty much free choice over what you do with this one.

On my (old) PSR-S900 I can assign up to 5 effects to the Right1 or Right2 parts at the same time: The system effects Reverb and Chorus, and the insertion effects DSP2, DSP3 and DSP4. I suspect that this will definitely work with the Genos too. But since I don't own a Genos, I can't describe how to do that on a Genos. Maybe a Genos owner can help here.

[BogdanH]

It could be 'dangerous' to ad reverb (=noise) to a reverb (= noise x n) and after that more volume (((noise x noise (n) x Volume(n))) Kind of E=mc2 

It's not only noise that accumulates: distortion accumulates even more. That is, on one side we wish to have the best quality voices (and we're ready to pay for them) and then we ruin that by applying all kind of effects.
We should keep in mind, that most voices already have some effects applied, i.e: ambient piano, mellow piano, cocktail piano, etc., which usually already sound unnatural -and then we add additional effects. Result can only be horrible.

I'm not against effects, but they need to be used very carefully... means, when we can hear it, then it's already too much.

Bogdan

[pjd]

We should keep in mind, that most voices already have some effects applied, i.e: ambient piano, mellow piano, cocktail piano, etc., which usually already sound unnatural -and then we add additional effects.

I have to disagree with this point. Sorry.

I just tried "CFX AmbientGrand" and the legacy "AmbientPiano" voices on Genos1. Please go into the Mixer and remove the global reverb and the insertion effect. Yamaha adds "ambience" through the insertion effect -- Tempo Delay 1, in this case.

When the effects are removed, it's the same old flat (dry) sounding piano samples.

When stacking reverbs, one cannot go wild with depth, etc. The illuminating moment came to me while watching a G2 demo (possibly one of Leigh's demonstrations). The demonstrator removed all of the Ambi and other effects from the drums. The drums were dry as a desert and sounded like typical Revo drums. Adding Ambi alone was reminiscent of early reflections or a small room reverb. That's why I suggested inserting a small room reverb to thicken the dry drum sound before putting everything through the global reverb. The global reverb is there to blend the stems and create the overall feeling of space.

Probably why Ambi + REVelation is blowing people away...

Interesting discussion, so thanks for all comments -- pj

[pjd]

Another experiment to try is to play a rhythm pattern solo on a single style channel, e.g., Rhythm2. Turn off all of the effects.

Insert the "Drums Room" reverb on Rhythm2. Slowly dial up the insert level, leaving the global reverb dry. Get a nice ambience going with the insert effect. Then start turning up the global reverb. Play with the levels and compare full dry against the effected sound.

-- pj