Genos2 Speakers/Monitors

Michael Trigoboff · December 21, 2023, 08:33:45 PM

What do people think might be speakers/monitors that would live up to the new sound quality of the Genos2?

I currently have a Blue Sky eXo2 setup I bought in 2011 that sounds really good to me, but I don't hear all that much difference between the G1 and my new G2 through it.

Thanks...

ton37 · December 22, 2023, 03:03:16 AM

Thar's difficult to say as I don't know the quality of your speakers ... and I don't know (and nobody knows) which frequenties (mostly the hights/ midrange) you miss a little regarding your age. The best way is to go and listen what you like. As a starting point set the keyboards eq on flat and than make your comparison. For my ears I am very font on the recent acquired Yamaha HS7 set. Those speakers offers me a large spectrum of frequenties to hear, so for me they are a welcome surplus to the quality of the G2 sound. Even the lows are clear without needed a subwoofer. But I guess everyone has his/her preferences. Success in trying out what's the best for you

The difference I noticed was, especially with the new voices/styles: the clearity of the sounds ( more layers and doubled length, Yamaha says?), whereas I could recognize the various voices/instruments/parts of the style more as an apart sound, the space/expanding of the sound, a better panning of individual instruments in mostly (new) styles (better in balance). That's what my personal observations are.

Michael Trigoboff · December 22, 2023, 04:07:53 PM

I just ordered a pair of Neumann KH120 II's. This review was pretty convincing.

I ordered them from from Sweetwater, which has a special offer from now through 12/31: you get the special microphone for room balancing (usually $299) for free.

ton37 · December 22, 2023, 04:17:19 PM

OK, I hope you like them, so pls. keep us posted of your findings in due time.

soundphase · December 23, 2023, 03:47:00 AM

Quote from: ton37 on December 22, 2023, 03:03:16 AM
Thar's difficult to say as I don't know the quality of your speakers ... and I don't know (and nobody knows) which frequenties (mostly the hights/ midrange) you miss a little regarding your age. The best way is to go and listen what you like. As a starting point set the keyboards eq on flat and than make your comparison. For my ears I am very font on the recent acquired Yamaha HS7 set. Those speakers offers me a large spectrum of frequenties to hear, so for me they are a welcome surplus to the quality of the G2 sound. Even the lows are clear without needed a subwoofer. But I guess everyone has his/her preferences. Success in trying out what's the best for you

The difference I noticed was, especially with the new voices/styles: the clearity of the sounds ( more layers and doubled length, Yamaha says?), whereas I could recognize the various voices/instruments/parts of the style more as an apart sound, the space/expanding of the sound, a better panning of individual instruments in mostly (new) styles (better in balance). That's what my personal observations are.

For your info, I just added the HS8S subwoofer to old Yamaha MSP10 studio (with 10" boomers) on my Genos2 (I got the Genos2 15 days before the subwoofer).... And clearly, there is a great difference of precision and depht in the lower frequencies.

ton37 · December 23, 2023, 04:05:47 AM

Thnx @soundphase for the info. I have a subwoofer, but I do not like those deep lows ( personal taste), so the subwoofer is not connected. I use a Yamaha mixer (MG10xu) between the G2 and the HS7 set. That works very nice for instand tuning, if needed. The HS7, without sub, produces perfect lows (and other frequenties) for my personal taste. They are a welcome addition for me in my 'home studio' to get a great sound out of the G2

Tommy 73 · December 24, 2023, 02:03:46 AM

I have a friend who is about to upgrade from G1 to G2 who is running Yamaha's 2.1 satellite speaker systems on his G1 and is keen to upgrade to some better Studio Monitors when he purchases his G2,...

After hearing his G1 plugged into my studio setup, he is now very enthusiastic to upgrade and is hovering between some Focal Alpha Evo or some Genelec's and will make the final decision when he can test his G2 with both brands...

Moral Of The Story... You won't go wrong with a speaker upgrade, where you will really hear your Genos breath and shine with full and strong dynamics/Hi-Fidelity you would not hear otherwise

ton37 · December 24, 2023, 03:23:38 AM

Absolute agree, the G2 works out best with a set of good monitors. Take your time to thoroughly examen which monitors suits your needs

. And if you indeed have someone you know who owns a few different/good monitors, why not take your keyboard with you and try it out? Your ears are the jury ...

soundphase · December 24, 2023, 12:38:16 PM

Quote from: ton37 on December 23, 2023, 04:05:47 AM
Thnx @soundphase for the info. I have a subwoofer, but I do not like those deep lows ( personal taste), so the subwoofer is not connected. I use a Yamaha mixer (MG10xu) between the G2 and the HS7 set. That works very nice for instand tuning, if needed. The HS7, without sub, produces perfect lows (and other frequenties) for my personal taste. They are a welcome addition for me in my 'home studio' to get a great sound out of the G2

With my MSP10, the CFX Concert grand played on the first octave (octave -1), and generally a lot of dance styles are not deep enough without subwoofer, but perhaps HS7 and MSP10 are not the same.

ton37 · December 24, 2023, 01:05:25 PM

Don't know, I like dance styles a lot and I have to trim the monitors to less lows or my windows cracked 😁😁

J. Larry · December 24, 2023, 01:49:26 PM

I prefer studio monitor speakers over the typical PA speaker. I'm having good luck with monitors by PreSonus. Crystal clear. Bi-amped speakers. My QSC powered speakers sound OK, but not as clean and precise as studio monitors.

Akki · December 24, 2023, 08:25:29 PM

Quote from: Michael Trigoboff on December 21, 2023, 08:33:45 PM
What do people think might be speakers/monitors that would live up to the new sound quality of the Genos2?

I currently have a Blue Sky eXo2 setup I bought in 2011 that sounds really good to me, but I don't hear all that much difference between the G1 and my new G2 through it.

Thanks...

May be little off topics but here we go.
My setup is little different 😂
2x JBL PRX712 and 2x JBL PRX718XLF

I use same setup at home, mixing, making custom sets, etc and same for live gigs.
Ocesionaly I add more PA if venues are bigger and don't have installed PA.

soundphase · December 25, 2023, 01:22:50 AM

Quote from: ton37 on December 24, 2023, 01:05:25 PM
Don't know, I like dance styles a lot and I have to trim the monitors to less lows or my windows cracked 😁😁

low frequencies are fully filtered on MSP10, and the subwoofer level is around 25%. For me, the global result is better... but ok, feeling could depend on a lot of things (personal tastes and ears, room size and content....)

Michael Trigoboff · January 03, 2024, 02:34:11 AM

I received the Neumann KH 120 II's from Sweetwater today and set them up. Even before tuning them to my room, the sound is amazing! I'm hearing things I never heard before from my Genos2, including absolutely delicious reverb.

The Genos2 requires and justifies really good speakers/monitors.

BogdanH · January 03, 2024, 05:25:19 AM

@Michael
Congrats for your purchase! -they are expensive so they better sound really good

Quote from: J. Larry on December 24, 2023, 01:49:26 PM
I prefer studio monitor speakers over the typical PA speaker....

I absolutely agree (for home use) -PA speakers serve different purpose.

Bogdan

Michael Trigoboff · January 04, 2024, 01:36:27 AM

Quote from: BogdanH on January 03, 2024, 05:25:19 AM
@Michael
Congrats for your purchase! -they are expensive so they better sound really good

They would have been going right back to Sweetwater if they didn't — but they do! They are extraordinary!

BogdanH · January 04, 2024, 05:42:36 AM

This thread actually belongs in another section, but as it's already here, it makes me thinking...

We almost never have a chance to tryout speakers before buying.. we usually buy them after reading/watching some (questionable) reviews. The only criteria we can set beforehand is price, size and design. Specifications matter of course, but these are nowadays extremely deceiving (worthless).
Still, no matter what we finally pick, we are in most cases happy with our decision. Let me clarify what I have in mind...

Michael bought Neumann KH 120 II (825€/piece), I have KRK Rokit 5 Gen4 (149€/piece) and Jack decided for Presonus Eris E5 (100€/piece). All these speakers are in similar category (size & power) except price differs quite a lot -but point being, we all are happy with decision we made.

Of course, the more we pay, the better we can expect and so buying more expensive is some sort of insurance. But I wonder... would Michael also be happy if he would have decided for Presonus Eris E5 in first place? He can't answer that question, because he doesn't know how Presonus sounds. We can't answer that either, because we don't know the difference between Neumann and Presonus -except huge difference in price.
And finally, are we able to notice the difference (if there's any)? I think this question is justified, because we talk about very similar (relative small) speakers.
And before someone says "Neumann is known for..." -yes, I know that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing anyone's decision! I'm only thinking aloud about decisions we make and what influences them. All what matters is, that we're happy at the end

Bogdan

ton37 · January 04, 2024, 06:08:08 AM

A very legitimate question. It would be nice to be able to establish an objective benchmark in a 'comparative study'. Of course, this can be done via the specifications (if sufficiently specified and present). That could very well be a topic to discuss 'technically and objectively'. But most consumers hardly pay any attention to this and simply rely on their taste/hearing. There are certainly 'misses' if you look at the specification and price. So the final 'satisfaction' score will again be a very personal one based on hearing and feeling. For some the design is very important, for others the brand and for someone else the price or quality. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many brands, designs, models and price ranges.

EileenL · January 04, 2024, 07:51:49 AM

Personally I have always stuck to Yamaha speakers because I believe they are well matched to Yamaha keyboard. HS7 speakers are great if you are a home player or stage pass if you play out. They can be a bit pricy but work well.

BogdanH · January 04, 2024, 12:14:20 PM

hi Eileen,
HS7 is in different league because of bigger 6.5" woofer -it's the size that I would recommend to everyone (if there's enough space).
I think Yamaha's speakers are priced reasonably and if you're happy with it, I see no reason to change the brand.

Bogdan

Michael Trigoboff · January 04, 2024, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: BogdanH on January 04, 2024, 05:42:36 AM
We almost never have a chance to tryout speakers before buying.. we usually buy them after reading/watching some (questionable) reviews. The only criteria we can set beforehand is price, size and design. Specifications matter of course, but these are nowadays extremely deceiving (worthless).
Still, no matter what we finally pick, we are in most cases happy with our decision.

If there had been a local showroom with a listening room, I would have been able to compare various speakers. But there was no such place where I live in the Portland, Oregon (USA) area.

So instead, I relied on the review that I posted, and the very good advice from my sales engineer (Jeff Law) at Sweetwater.