Genos2 vs Genos1

[Dutchman]

Sokratis, what you just described (and I totally agree on) is actually the difference between big and small companies.

We consumer think that big company has a power (potential, knowledge, resources, money, etc.) to make the best product possible. And that's thinking is partially also the reason why we many times decide for bigger company -because it makes us feel more secure if we buy their product.
But fact is, that all big companies (Yamaha is good example) are very rigid: they make a plan for next project and they stick to plan without exception -even if it turns out the project was a mistake (they can afford to compensate that with advertisement). That is, no matter how many suggestion mails we send them, if product works according to plan, nothing will change. Besides that, there are so many people in hierarchy chain, that it can easily happen that our wishes and complains simply get lost.
In short: what we buy is what will end with.

Small companies are much more flexible because every person is almost directly involved in development & improvement process and without obstacles in communication. And maybe worth to mention: if team is smaller, then there's usually much more enthusiasm (to make their "baby" the best they can) than that's the case where army of people are involved.

Bogdan

This is exactly how it works, I used to work for a small software company where we developed custom operating systems for specialized systems.
When we got particular requests from the client we were able to quite quickly add or make changes to that operating system.
Ask Microsoft or Apple/Macintosh to change or add something to their newest version of their operating system, you'll probably never hear anything from them but a thank you mail maybe for your suggestion.

[pjd]

It would be nice if someone would confirm above statement about hardware/chips.

Yes, this, and thank you for saying it. Until we have a Genos2 Service Manual and/or someone is brave enough to open a Genos2 and take detailed pictures, any claims about the Genos2 hardware platform are unverified or speculative. Same can be said for claims made about Montage M.

Genos2 received a major upgrade in pianos: more CFX velocity levels and doubled sustain length, felt piano, character piano, U3 upright, etc. Given what we know about these pianos on Montage/MODX and CLP, this would require at least 0.5GBytes of additional physical waveform memory. Also, I wonder if additional DSP RAM is required to support both FM-X and REVelation reverb.

So, if someone can produce the Genos2 Service Manual, I will gladly take a look. In the meantime, a little discretion may be in order?

All the best -- pj

[pjd]

Ask Microsoft or Apple/Macintosh to change or add something to their newest version of their operating system, you'll probably never hear anything from them but a thank you mail maybe for your suggestion.

I hear ya, dude. 

Last product on which I worked, our driver depended upon deep hooks in the Windows OS. Most times, it was us chasing changes that Microsoft crammed down our throats. Microsoft make changes that we needed? Fuggedabouit, Microsoft always knew better than us what we needed. [The sarcasm meter is pinned at +infinity.]

Take care -- pj

[Sokratis1974]

Sokratis, you make some well thought out points; but could I please request paragraph formatting? it's extremely difficult to read a long post without paragraph formatting!
thanks,

Mark

Yes, you are right and I apologize. I'll be more careful next time. 

[Sokratis1974]

This is exactly how it works, I used to work for a small software company where we developed custom operating systems for specialized systems.
When we got particular requests from the client we were able to quite quickly add or make changes to that operating system.
Ask Microsoft or Apple/Macintosh to change or add something to their newest version of their operating system, you'll probably never hear anything from them but a thank you mail maybe for your suggestion.

I totally agree.
But this ultimately has the result, either that new customers do not approach Yamaha, from countries like mine (Greece), but also from all the Balkan countries, Turkey, Arab countries, or those who come to Yamaha eventually they move away (like me).
And this market, I think you understand, is a huge market.
I'm honestly very saddened by this, because while I don't want to part with my Genos, I'm forced too anyway.

But the strangest thing here and at the same time paradoxical, is the following: Yamaha has manufactured in my opinion, but also in the opinion of many musicians, the best Oriental Arranger of all time and this is the PSR A5000.
And I find it strange and paradoxical, because on the one hand Yamaha continues to have some very serious limitations which in the end only succeed in giving the musician/creator a terrible inconvenience for no reason, and on the other hand there is now a clear that if Yamaha takes the step forward then it's easy to dominate.

On the other hand, someone will ask me: But since Yamaha made, as you said, the best Oriental of all time, which was designed specifically for these countries, then why are there still so many musicians who hesitate to buy the A5000?
The answer is that in all these countries, there is no way that the musician's needs will ever be met 100% by Factory Sounds & Styles, and although the work in designing and implementing of this material (styles, sounds) that they included in the A5000 is EXCELLENT, however there will always be a need from the musician for much more.

So, what is required here, is to have flexibility and as much ease as possible for the creation of additional new material by the user himself, which in its entirety exists (unfortunately), only in Korg.
And taking an example from my country, I should tell you that there is really a huge interest from musicians who have been working for many years with Korg (for all the reasons we have analyzed) and now want to switch to Yamaha and specifically to the A5000, but they don't take the step in that direction, because there is no complete commercial professional package of Styles and Sounds, as there is at Korg, and they themselves are frightened by the idea of having to build everything themselves.
I, on the other hand, as a professional developer, could build a Greek commercial package specifically for Yamaha Arrangers (as I have done at Korg), but unfortunately, I feel the same way, as they do: I am scared for the effort and the time he would like this to take place.
And I'm 50 now, not 30, so I'm trying to make my life less complicated. 

[ton37]

...............
And I'm 50 now, not 30, so I'm trying to make my life less complicated. 

C'mon @Sokratis1974, don't let your age limit you in the things you want to do! The future is created by what you do today, not tomorrow 

[mikf]

There are also market differences between companies that dictate development priorities. Yamaha arrangers cater largely to a home player market, while Ketron is at the other end of the scale, almost certainly having a much bigger proportion of sales to performers. Although Yamaha probably have many more performers than Ketron in absolute numbers, they are a still a small proportion of total sales.
One thing that people overlook is that everything added, however minor, costs money in development, support and manufacturing. And that cost is paid by everyone who buys, even if they don't use it. And while adding to the functionality, it might also add to the complication for people who never use it. I'm sure that Yamaha always have to take these things into account in deciding priorities.
Mike

[EileenL]

Yes I agree Mike and whatever keyboard you have you will never please everyone.

[RoyB]

Mike and Eileen

I agree.

My perfect keyboard does not exist, and it never will. No one will ever make it, because if they did no one else would want it.

Regards

Roy

[mikf]

One thing that people overlook is that everything added, however minor, costs money in development, support and manufacturing. And that cost is paid by everyone who buys, even if they don't use it. And while adding to the functionality, it might also add to the complication for people who never use it.

Earlier in this thread it was inferred that it was selfish if everyone did not support all the improvements some want. You could just as easily say it's selfish for those people to demand everyone pays for functions most don't  need.
The truth is that neither is selfish, we are all entitled to express our individual needs, and to seek them out in the keyboard that best suits us. But we are not entitled to 'demand' everyone else shares or supports those desires.
Mike

[Akki]

This all is very simple.
Some features that satisfies me may not be enough for some, and vice versa... Anything wrong with that? Absolutely not.
Some other features that satisfies others will not be enough for other group of people... Anything wrong with that? Again no....

Basically , we wrapped all on last couple of posts...
If anyone cares about my oppinion it's here: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68141.msg514880.html#msg514880

If some other don't care about it... Anything wrong with it.... Nooo 😂😂😂

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