This is the Real Deal Trade your Genos for You Know What!!!

[Oymmot]

Hi.
I have followed the posts here on the forum with interest as I myself was also interested in Korg PA5x.
Unfortunately, not many traders here in Sweden have it at home, but it is available online if you are interested.
I think previous models have not been suitable for my latitudes and not this new PA5x either.
Well I ordered a 61 key in from Stockholm. About: 60 miles from where I live on so-called open purchase. Had to pay 46,000 Swedish kronor and the keyboard was with me the day after the order.
The basket model can do about the same things as Genos but for me the thing was done after 4 hours. It will be back and now it is at the dealer again and I am waiting for the refund of the money.
For the average keyboard player, this is absolutely nothing if I may give advice.
Advanced but different approach to Genos and in my ears no sounds that knocked out my Genos.
Tommy from Sweden.

[Lee Batchelor]

Having had my Genos right after the launch I can say it still looks like new and believe me I do a lot of button pushing. No sign of paint wearing off. I don't remember any crashes either. I know in the beginning there was a lot of user error as people got used to the new way of doing some things. Any new keyboard has a few glitches on launch but these were soon addressed and everything was fine.

Since the most recent software update, I have had issues with default screens. The case looks ten years old (and I treat all my keyboards like a newborn) and some buttons are unreadable. This is definitely NOT typical of Yamaha quality. It's as though they never intended the Genos as a gigging machine. Both my Tyros keyboards never had these issues. Fortunately, the sound of the Genos is stellar, which I'll take over looks any day. Problem is, we used to have good quality cases, buttons, bug free software, AND sounds. Not now. Hopefully, Yamaha will address this in G2 and not add 10 kilos to the weight!

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Lee :

Is your Genos hard to sell at a good price due to the black paint problem(s) ?

JH

[EileenL]

The only trouble I ever had with paint coming off was my Tyros Two. No problem though as Yamaha fitted a new case all free of charge and that one never gave any more trouble.

[Lee Batchelor]

Hi Jeff,

Where the problem with the Genos sub-standard case affects me is, when I trade it in. I've never sold any gear privately. I don't have time for "tire kickers."

My dealer has three levels of trade-in assessment: average, clean, extra clean. Obviously, the better the condition, the more you get for it. All my Yamaha trades have been in the extra clean category, which means the dealer will give me 85% of what they can sell it for. With the Genos, I'll be lucky to get a clean rating, which gives me far less on trade.

I treat my Genos with as much care as all previous keyboards. Thanks to Yamaha being cheap on the Genos finish, I'll lose. Plain and simple, the Genos case is a substandard piece of junk compared to their previous models. Maybe it doesn't matter when the machine sits in a nice clean living room all day but it's no good for gigging musicians. It's impossible to get rid of finger marks and common touch surfaces wear out very fast.

[Lee Batchelor]

The only trouble I ever had with paint coming off was my Tyros Two. No problem though as Yamaha fitted a new case all free of charge and that one never gave any more trouble.

I doubt Yamaha will give us all a new Genos case because they know they dropped the ball on this part of the keyboard.

[valimaties]

@musicman01, you told everything it has to be said with your comment.

[Amwilburn]

Mark's quote : " Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait "

Hi Mark :

Up to now I saw a couple of commercial video's and a significant price increase of the competitor's arranger compared to its predecessor.

My question :
Is the 5X completely different than its predecessor ( and the other models )  ?
If so, how different is it ( except the addition of the 88 keys model ) ?

Your reply would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards, JH

Totally missed this; I don't *know* what's different on the PA5x yet, still waiting for ours. I do know that they have a dedicated guitar input in addition to the mic input (Genos has an extra line in, but that line in can't have amp modelling applied to it, Pa5x *can*) And based on its predecessors, the keys and case will phyiscally be top notch. But I haven't gotten my hands on one yet, so there's a lot I don't know! But yes, the PA4x, PA1000, PA700 were the same chip; just like the PA3x, PA900, PA600 were the same chip. The Pa5x is all new, but I can't break down what that means until I get my hands on one

The aluminum (aluminium in the UK) case of the PA4x, PA3x etc will undoubtedly be on the PA5x as well. Physically it's as nice as you could ask for: brushed metal is easy to clean, and doesn't really leave fingerprints, nor does it wear out. But it comes at the cost of extra weight: the Pa5x-76 is 10 lbs heavier than the Genos.

Mark

[Jeff Hollande]

Thanks a lot, Mark !

I am very interested in your comments after receipt and findings of the new 5X.
I am looking forward to reading them.
JH

[Jeff Hollande]

Quote Lee : I doubt Yamaha will give us all a new Genos case because they know they dropped the ball on this part of the keyboard.
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Hey Lee :

Did you contact your dealer and/or Yamaha ?

Best regards, JH

[Bill]

Totally missed this; I don't *know* what's different on the PA5x yet, still waiting ours.

The aluminum (aluminium in the UK) case of the PA4x, PA3x etc will undoubtedly be on the PA5x as well. Physically it's as nice as you could ask for: brushed metal is easy to clean, and doesn't really leave fingerprints, nor does it wear out. But it comes at the cost of extra weight: the Pa5x-76 is 10 lbs heavier than the Genos.

Mark

8Gb compressed Ram for user samples (5Gb at current OS) plus 4Gb compressed memory of local samples
with streaming from on board Nand Ram
- 30.060 samples positions at current OS (doubled) , stereo sample takes one position.
- Over 10 GBs of factory samples with addons from Kronos sound libraries
- New EDS-XP sound engine with 24 Stereo Oscillators per Sound (from 24 mono of Pa4X)
that are shared 3 DNC controllers (main DNC2 engine is still the same as in Pa4X)
- 160 notes polyphony
- 10 insert effects (max 3 per track) and 3 master effects per Style (8 tracks)
- 3 insert effects / 3 master effects per KBD set
- New Finalizer effect added of 4 parametric EQ , plus Hi Pass & Low pass , plus Limiter / compressor that can be
assigned in every style and create separate dynamics compared to old global Maxx EQ.
- New updated and enhanced Vocal Processor with ability of simultaneous 6 effects
- Graphical improvement of effects and compressors and their interface with more clarity and better overal
stereo-phony of EDS-XP sound engine with 4 additional Audio Outputs
- Dual players of 2 Independence styles or any , with XDS crossfade control
- Smooth Sound Transition (SST)
- Applied round-robin feature in DKs , fully editable
- Improved Drawbar Organ interface and controllers
- 16 multi-pads plus new controllers assignment using sliders
- 3 pedal inputs with Half-pedal support
- Guitar input with gain and guitar effects via effects interface
- Favorite mode with available 11 KBD sets that can be used in every Style
- Direct SET as a function do not exist anymore , since you can browse directly to any KST folder with Styles/KBD Set and will work as older
Direct SET of Pa4X , as usual without custom samples & custom SOUND folders that will never change in PaSeries if not loaded & preloaded in Ram.
- Double resolution screen compared to Pa4X , 800x480
- 3 USB 3.0 ports , 1 HDMI , RGB leds
- New loading/saving interface with partial elements
- SF2 support similar to Kronos for simple formats (not complex layers)
- Many improved sounds & DKs using new EDS-XP sound engine
- 88 weighted Keybed edition
- User Samples loading time is close to Pa4X Next (though new AM5728 Arm Proc is twice faster) since they use the same streaming
method and can exceed 90sec if 4Gb Ram is filled by user samples.
- Pa4X/1000 resources conversion to new KST format works excellent if resources have been exclusively made on those
models and not from older Pa like Pa800/2X with corrupted parameters that already had issues in Pa4X !

[EileenL]

Hi Jeff,
  Regards Case. I sent pictures of it to Yamaha UK and it went from there.

[Jeff Hollande]

Thank you, Bill for this detailed information.

The X5 looks to be a complete new keyboard compared to their older models, am I right ?

Best wishes, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

I doubt Yamaha will give us all a new Genos case because they know they dropped the ball on this part of the keyboard.

Hey Lee:
Did you contact your dealer and/or Yamaha?
Best regards, JH

Hi Jeff,

When I took delivery of my Genos, I noticed a permanent marker flaw about one half centimeter long on the surface beside the Exit button. Someone along the way must have accidently wrote on the case. I tried everything to get it off but it just made it worse. I contacted my dealer, who contacted Yamaha. Yamaha offered to replace the case but due to the pathetic number of Genos keyboards allotted to Canada, I would have waited about 8 months to get one. Instead, they offered me a decent refund for my trouble ($300 CDN). I took the cash because I figured a small flaw may not affect the trade-in value, especially since I received compensation up front.

Little did I know the case was so cheap that even occasional touching of the surface would result in a ruined appearance, which would further decrease my trade-in value. That's why I doubt they'd give me another case at this time. I could ask. All they can say is "No" .

Edit Has anyone had success in cleaning up shiny wear marks on their Genos case? I fear this is off topic and should be asked elsewhere .

[Gunnar Jonny]

.....The X5 looks to be a complete new keyboard compared to their older models, am I right ?

I think you're right, there is a lot of differences. New OS, new and also rebuildt styles, new file formats, new xx, new xxx, new xxxx, and so on....... 
For those who are interested to know more, there's a lot to read, soundfiles to listen at and videos to view here:
https://www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/pa5x/

(Maybe a bit easier to go straight to the source rather than copy & paste details from one website to another.)   

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Lee :

Thank you for your reply. Very much appreciated.

Apparently you and Yamaha found a solution that has been accepted by both of you.
Very good news, I guess. 

Best regards, JH

[Del]

Edit Has anyone had success in cleaning up shiny wear marks on their Genos case? I fear this is off topic and should be asked elsewhere .
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Here is thet topic Lee

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,58191.0.html

[Lee Batchelor]

Yes, Jeff. Yamaha treated me very well with regards to the flaw. In reality, if the existing case reduces my trade-in value, it may not be a huge amount because I can still try and negotiate with the store for a better deal. There should be some wiggle room because I've bought a ton of gear from them.

All we need now is the Genos 2 to see how it sounds !

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks, Del!

[ton37]

Thank you, Bill for this detailed information.

The X5 looks to be a complete new keyboard compared to their older models, am I right ?

Best wishes, JH

Hi Jeff, looking at your avatar you are playing guitar as well. I sometimes use the SX900 with my guitar, but it is ehh.. rather limited? What do you think of the Pa5x's potential regarding working with guitars? The video images are promising. It could replace a lot of effect gear?

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Gunnar :

Thank you for your reply.

The X5 looks to be a very nice and powerful instrument. 
There will be 3 key sizes : 61, 76 and 88. That is great, I guess !
However, the X5 does not look to be a plug-and-play arranger, IMO.

There is a lot of work to do for Yamaha to beat the competition but ... they will.

I am convinced Yamaha will introduce a Genos2 in 2023 that will overwhelm the entire arranger keyboard world.
Read my lips.

Best regards, JH

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Ton,

I am a guitar player and for me an arranger keyboard is a nice instrument to make my backing tracks.
Up to now my Tyros4 did a great job.

However, I never tried to connect my guitars with my Yamaha keyboard. I am afraid I never will. 
There ain't no reason to connect them.
I prefer to use my Marshall Guitar Amp.

For me guitars and arranger keyboards are such a different instruments.

Best regards, JH

[Gunnar Jonny]

.... However, the X5 does not look to be a plug-and-play arranger, IMO.

The only 'keyboard' I ever had that was 'plug & play', was a cheap Botempi organ ages ago.   
There is a certain learning curve to make modern arrangers to work regardless of what brands we choose.
Even stright out of the box, we need to tickle some buttons to start to play in other than pianomode.

I think PA5X is very exciting, and if Yamaha ever continue the Genos line furter, it going to be amazing.
If they leave the 'plastic fantastic' wrapping and build some more sturdy around the inventory, it will be even better.
As I said before, both PA?X and Genos in same rack most be heavely. We'll see......

* 'heavely' missed an n, my intention was to write heavenly

[Del]

I think PA5X is very exciting, and if Yamaha ever continue the Genos line furter, it going to be amazing.
If they leave the 'plastic fantastic' wrapping and build some more sturdy around the inventory, it will be even better.
As I said before, both PA?X and Genos in same rack most be heavely. We'll see......

I Quite Agree Gunner
I am in the market for a new board but I will delay the gratification until I see Yamaha's Response to the Korg

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Guys :

All Tyros models ( 1 - 5 ) were made in plastic, colour : silver.
As far as I can remember there were never complaints in the past, am I right ?

I should not be too upset if Yamaha would change the black colour into silver again but who am I ?
At least the quality of the black paint needs to be improved significantly to avoid colour fading.

Increasing the weight of the case might not be liked, especially not by giggers, I guess.

JH

[ton37]

.......
As I said before, both PA?X and Genos in same rack most be heavely. We'll see......

..or a Pa5x and a baby Genos ... 🤔😎

[usaraiya]

Or rather, a PA5X & a Genos 2!! Now, that would be an unbeatable Combo!.

[ton37]

I'm afraid that it in  2024 will be a Pa6x and Genos 2 😏

[Graham UK]

I consider this Pa5X downloads one of the better ones.

Fascinating the way his left hand plays an added extension of his right hand.
Interesting technique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo

[ton37]

Correct @Graham, as I mentioned in another post: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,63454.msg483812.html#msg483812 , but no harm to mention it again for those who missed it