This is the Real Deal Trade your Genos for You Know What!!!

[Graham UK]

mixermixer Your Quote.
Overall a better demo. But I don't see this as sounding "warm", more like a sharp smiley face on the GEQ, more so peaky in the treble range.

The very first time I ever heard a live orchestra my thoughts were, where did all that top end come from,  but after many years of listening experiences I now know that was correct.
Reproduced sounds are not perfect but manufacturers keep trying to obtain better quality voice samples. Reproduced sounds are improving.
 

[mikf]

We can overstate this exact duplication of a real instrument. The fact is that not all saxes sound the same, not all pianos sound the same, not all violins sound$ the same, certainly no two orchestras sound exactly the same .... We all have bias in what we think sounds good, And enthusiasts often hear stuff or think they hear stuff that most people don't notice.
For me, exact or perfect instrument duplication is not that important, because it's mostly subjective. Provided the instrument sound is pretty good, then it's up to the player to make it sound convincing.
Mike

[Graham UK]

mikf. One thing is certain its brought a lot of keyboard forums to life.

Interesting many players with open minds have both Yamaha & Korg and enjoy them both.
Pity Roland have dropped into the background.

The rest of this year is going to be interesting.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Guys :

BAD KORG NEWS ?
Watch following PA Korg video ...  I am shocked.
True or not true ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHIM9eIBmcQ

Best regards, JH

[Graham UK]

I consider the video above to be a propaganda campaign.

Never believe anything with these type of unfounded YouTube videos.

[Jeff Hollande]

Graham :

Why and ... what might be the intention of these YT video makers ?
I wonder if Korg will react ?

Regards, JH

[Gunnar Jonny]

... what might be the intention of these YT video makers ?

The intention is most likely as for many of the YT'ers, to collect clicks and earn money. 

[mikf]

Its beyond me what kind of person would spend the time on making a non event video like this. If someone has the time an inclination they could probably make similar videos about any product in the world. Korg will give it the same amount of credence the rest of us should - none-- or less than none.
Mike

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Guys :

BAD KORG NEWS ?
Watch following PA Korg video ...  I am shocked.
True or not true ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHIM9eIBmcQ

Best regards, JH

Hi M8

Not only that. For me the face of the keyboard  layout looks cramped to me, also the buttons are small and very tightly spaced.
You could easily miss buttons when changing on the fly.
Summing up, the pianos and a few other instruments sound ok , but the Genos is well layed out and easier to get to registrations, Styles , pads etc
The Genos is a no brainer really,way out in front.

All the best
John

[Graham UK]

ugawoga Quote, For me the face of the keyboard  layout looks cramped to me, also the buttons are small and very tightly spaced.

ugawoga...Why is that bothering you because as you won't be buying one !!!.


This Article has been going on too long.
Its time for this thread to be closed.

[Christophermoment]

ugawoga Quote, For me the face of the keyboard  layout looks cramped to me, also the buttons are small and very tightly spaced.

ugawoga...Why is that bothering you because as you won't be buying one !!!.

Roger & Jo.
This Article has been going on to too long.
Its time for this thread to be closed.

Graham, Why does it bother you so much what John's opinions are? Surely he should be allowed to express his opinions?

[stephenm52]

One thing is for sure this new Pa5x has livened up keyboard forums including this one.   Here's my 2 cents and I believe I may have written this somewhere else.  First I have not demoed a Pa5x.  Thru the years I have moved back and forth between Yamaha and Korg arrangers, everything from the PSR 3000, Tyros2, 4, 5 s900, s910, SX900 and Genos. From Korg  PA800, Pa2x, Pa3x and now the Pa4x.   As much as I have enjoyed Korg and still have the Pa4x, I'm partial to the Yamaha line of arrangers.  As someone who studied piano  I will say though the touch of the keybed on the Pa4x is more suited to my playing style than that of the Genos.  I will also add that to my aging ears, the Grand Pianos and the Organs on the Korg are better sounding.  If I really want true piano action I just head over to the Claivnova CVP307 or the DGX670.


So far as the Pa5x being sold out I believe it's more of a supply problem.  I had to wait about 3 months for my DGX670 in 2021, before deciding on that I had my eyes on the Yamaha P515 and Roland FP60x, the real problem there were very limited supplies. I finally did find the DGX670 after looking for 3 months. 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

ugawoga Quote, For me the face of the keyboard  layout looks cramped to me, also the buttons are small and very tightly spaced.

ugawoga...Why is that bothering you because as you won't be buying one !!!.


This Article has been going on too long.
Its time for this thread to be closed.

I hate to see people being ripped off .
The Korg sound is bland  and sounds are not real or near to it in my view, only the piano's and Strings.
Do not worry Chris as i get the same commenting on Swindon Town Football Club.
Now i am getting votes with the Jockster to take over as manager of Swindon Town.
I would bring back Don Rogers!!! and Mick Summerbee ex Man City
Well, that would really be in the early 70's
They would still beat todays players even on a zimmer frame!!

All the best
John   
Ps The moral of the story is  "It is all fun and general banter"!!!

[ton37]

Hi
The Genos did not sound good at all with all those beginning videos and that is down to the recordings.
When listening to demos on utube etc ,you are not hearing the full sound as It should be.
...........

All the Best
john

Psst @John, ehh.. do you remember?   

[Amwilburn]

Hi Guys :

BAD KORG NEWS ?
Watch following PA Korg video ...  I am shocked.
True or not true ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHIM9eIBmcQ

Best regards, JH

Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait. The complaints include lack of communication between users and developers... that's true of any brand, any keyboard, not specifically the PA5x. Yes Yamaha is trying with their own forum, but at the end of the day you basically have thousands of voices shouting what they want, and 1 or 2 people sifting through all the suggestions.

On the other hand, his complaints about his PA1000 having limited sample slots is very true... but maybe they've changed that on PA5x.  On Yamahas that are YEM compatible, there's maybe 13k of header data on the earlier boards like the PSRs970, 61k on the Genos... that essentially means there's that many pieces of samples, or styles, registrations, etc you can install. It's not a fixed array, so you can either fill your memory with a few large samples, or thousands of small ones. On the PA1000 and earlier, because the number of slots was a fixed array, Korgs with more memory meant you could put bigger samples in, but not more. For practical purposes that would be like Yamaha allowing less than 2 full packs to be installed on a kb; you could do 1 full pack and most of a 2nd one, regardless of how much sample ram you had.

But maybe the PA5x has finally gone to variable arrays for samples as well. We'll see; but it would be silly (to me) to release a kb with the largest user sample area by a wide margin, and not allow you to put more samples in! Which means it's a genuine complaint about previous Korgs, yes. No idea if it applies to the PA5x yet.

His complaint about Korg's entire line being the same sound chip, for vastly different $$$? also true. But Korg is very transparent about that; they want stuff you created on the top and bottom board of a series to be fully compatible; what you pay for is build quality/keys/ features, including things like number of ins, outs, harmonizer/vocoder, etc (I can see people having loads of fun with the new Shift Audio auto tune, T-Pain style!). That's not a secret they've been hiding, and they're fully transparent when it comes to that, so more of a clickbait complaint. But yes PA4x. PA1000, PA700 actually have the exact same sound libraries.

In other words, some genuine PA1000 complaints, but otherwise it's just click bait.

Mark

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Mark :

Thank you very much for your useful and wise comments.

I am very impressed by your arranger keyboard' s knowledge and your professional analysis.

Best wishes, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks for the link, Mike. I was away for a week and just got back.

I've heard that demo before. There's still something very dated about the brass and sax section sounds. Overall, the Genos equivalents are far better to my aging ears. And to be fair to Korg, YouTube demos are tainted by the way they process their sound. They tend to be compressed and despite that, some of their sound comes booming across while other signals are very low.

I think we all need to forget these online demos and get to a store where the 5X is being played by a pro over a decent sound system. Same with the Genos 2, if it ever gets here .

[mikf]

John - a man sees the manager of Swindon Town walking down the street with a brand new PaX5 under his arm. What are you doing with that he asks. I got it for the team says the manager. Boy, you drive a hard bargain says the man. 
Mike

[Jeff Hollande]

Mark's quote : " Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait "

Hi Mark :

Up to now I saw a couple of commercial video's and a significant price increase of the competitor's arranger compared to its predecessor.

My question :
Is the 5X completely different than its predecessor ( and the other models )  ?
If so, how different is it ( except the addition of the 88 keys model ) ?

Your reply would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards, JH

[Duffy]

Mark's quote : " Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait "

Hi Mark :

Up to now I saw a couple of commercial video's and a significant price increase of the competitor's arranger compared to its predecessor.

My question :
Is the 5X completely different than its predecessor ( and the other models )  ?

Your reply would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards, JH

It's very different, in the same way as the Genos is very different to the Tyros range.
Some novel ideas on it and the seamless sound switching is brilliant (although it's only something that Technics did more than 20 years ago).
It's price compares well with the Genos too.
As a committed Yamaha fan, I am surprised that you want to know.

[ton37]

Maybe it is informative regarding this subject and mainly based on facts therefore if you are interested, pls. have a look in the post, I'v linked below

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,63454.msg483768.html#msg483768

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Duffy :

Thanks for your reply.

You are absolutely right : I am even a lot more than just a Yamaha fan. 

The more I know about the competition, the more I believe Yamaha is the only world leader. 

Have a nice weekend ! JH

[EileenL]

Well to me just owning and playing a Yamaha keyboard should tell you the qualities you get with it. So to me reading reams of stories about what other keyboards do is pointless and time wasting. Have been playing Yamaha organs and keyboards for the last forty years and during that time have tried other makes of organs and keyboards but have always come back to Yamaha because to me personally they are the best and easiest to set up and very reliable and the service in the UK is excellent. The sounds and styles beat any competitor and are very easy to edit to your own taste.
  For those who like to multi track there performance it really dose sound like you are listening to a real orchestra playing. That says it all to me.

[Duffy]

Hi Jeff,
I used to feel exactly the same about Technics and especially my KN7000.
I feel that my Genos is a good board but still has features which need addressing and Korg has dealt with those but I've never had a Korg.
Health problems mean that I won't be around to enjoy it if Yamaha don't move a bit quicker on dealing with these problems.
I think we all look for something a little different when we choose keyboards but what's right for us personally is the deal.
Nice weekend to you too which probably means keeping very cool 

[musicman01]

Dear forum members,
As for the bad video of Korg, one can also turn it around.
What problems were there with Genos such as crashes and various functions and states not working properly? It is only from v 2.0 that it went well, see recently the problems with Midi.
How many have complained about the poor build quality and, for example, the names that disappeared from the buttons??
I can list a whole bunch of things that are still not good and missing from Genos!
Yamaha has always used the same sound library from Tyros 1 to 5 and Genos and always supplemented it a bit. Every three years a new model with minor changes, until now with Genos five years.
@ John, apparently you are a real specialist!
You are always commenting on anything and everything.
As long as one has not played your instrument and most likely has not seen it in real life
how on earth can one pass judgment?

PS: I'm a Genos player, not Korg!

[EileenL]

Having had my Genos right after the launch I can say it still looks like new and believe me I do a lot of button pushing. No sign of paint wearing off. I don't remember any crashes either. I know in the beginning there was a lot of user error as people got used to the new way of doing some things. Any new keyboard has a few glitches on launch but these were soon addressed and everything was fine.
  I know when I had a new Korg it arrived here in a terrible state. Nothing worked as it should and I did not receive very good treatment when reporting this to them. It took a good couple of months to get it to where it should have been when I had it. They even sent there chief demonstrator to my home to try and help but he knew less on the workings than I did.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Musicman01 :

It is sad, it hurts and it is painful to hear you are so disappointed.
I am afraid nobody can help you out nor advise you.
You are the only one who is to solve this problem.

Maybe a Genos'successor will help you out ... who knows ?

Who am I to say that the competitor's new keyboard is not as good as your present keyboard ?
Why should I ? I am not a keyboard salesman but ... a retired old man.

BUT ... if you should decide to go for the competitor and sell your Genos, plse keep in mind
you have to deal with a complete new keyboard and different software ... all your Yamaha software collections will be useless.

Wish you all the best hoping you will make the right decision.

Best regards, JH

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Duffy :

IMHO it will take at least one year before Yamaha will launch a new Genos' successor.
Hard to believe there will be another Genos' update in the meantime, I guess.

Why should I criticize the newest competitor's baby ?
There is no reason. I am a simple old enduser. 

At my age, I will only buy Yamaha, nothing else anymore ... but ... for the time being, I am still interested in the arranger keyboard world and business.

Nothing and nobody is perfect ... and will never be, I guess.

Take care my friend !
Best wishes, JH

[valimaties]

Verry good pointed Jeff.
Buying a Korg PA5X right now after a long time as a Yamaha user, with a big archive of sound styles and midi, is a very big mistake in my opinion. If someone wants to buy PA5X I think it must wait for the missing functions to be implemented and those big bugs to be reparied

BTW, if you see on Youtube videos, PA5X's menu (voice-screen, style-screen a.s.o ) looks very closely to Genos's screen. That's why they said it is something else, not anymore the same as PA4X or predecesor. I think they have implemented the same way as Yamaha, by creating folders and put content on folders, for unlimited spaces.
Search youtube for official video presentation (video manuals). They explain good...

Regards,
Vali

[musicman01]

Dear Jeff, where does it say that I am disappointed???
I just answer to people who break something before they have heard and seen it properly!
I am very satisfied with my Genos, I have taught in keyboard clubs for a long time how to operate Yamaha & Korg arrangers and generally speaking, most users don't even read the manual yet. And yes Korg is more difficult to use, and is actually intended for more professional players because there are a lot more editing options than in Yamaha. And that makes it especially more difficult for the home players.
Korg is no better or worse than Yamaha but as Alois Muller said "Different" !
And (@ Eileen) as for any problems with Korg, there are always exceptions just like with Yamaha.
As I have already mentioned, I played on it and it was a very good experience, actually one should have the two in 1 keyboard.
PS:It is always the person behind the keyboard, not so much the keyboard itself!!