Yamaha Genos 2 61

[Patrick]

Hello, is this a fake news? New Genos 2 coming in 61 keys! All the best, Patrick


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDexGrCJTkE

[ton37]

That vid is real ... but rhe content with the genos-boxes are faked. If I remember well this shot was shown longtime ago in another vid. I guess that Yamaha would publish new developments as they usely do: with great marketing strategy 😏

[EileenL]

Defiantly false. I don't think we will ever see a 61 note Genos.

[sunny]

Defiantly false. I don't think we will ever see a 61 note Genos.

Hi Eileen,
          How can you say that we will not see Genos2 -61 note keyboard ? Now Yamaha is listening to the customers worldwide. Do not think that Genos keyboards are made for western countries only. World wide customers (Oriental, Indian,) looking for Genos-2 61 note keyboard. Our suggestions already considered in Genos like Joystick,oriental voices,styles etc.

Sunny
 

[Fred Smith]

          How can you say that we will not see Genos2 -61 note keyboard ? Now Yamaha is listening to the customers worldwide. Do not think that Genos keyboards are made for western countries only. World wide customers (Oriental, Indian,) looking for Genos-2 61 note keyboard. Our suggestions already considered in Genos like Joystick,oriental voices,styles etc.

It's easy to say there will never be a 61-key Genos. Their lineup is set:
PSR is 61
Genos is 76
Clavinova is 88

There's no reason for Yamaha to retool for anything different.

Cheers,
Fred

[Lee Batchelor]

I agree with Fred.

If a more specialized "Genos 2" for the Asian type songs comes out, it won't be called "Genos." I think all Genos models have to stay with the 76 key versions because of the sophistication they have built into the keyboard itself. For example, having three Right hand and one Left Hand banks of keys available would be pointless or at least very limiting on a 61 key arranger. Those things alone, require a fair amount of real estate.

[sunny]

I agree with Fred.

If a more specialized "Genos 2" for the Asian type songs comes out, it won't be called "Genos." I think all Genos models have to stay with the 76 key versions because of the sophistication they have built into the keyboard itself. For example, having three Right hand and one Left Hand banks of keys available would be pointless or at least very limiting on a 61 key arranger. Those things alone, require a fair amount of real estate.

"Genos" name is only the replacement of Tyros Line keyboards. We have already requested Yamaha to change name of the existing Tyros line series 2,3,4,5 by replacing with  new name. Yamaha consider our request. If Yamaha thinks to create anything, they will create, nothing is impossible for Yamaha.
       Hope Genos 2 is available in two versions 61 note and 76 versions.

Sunny

[Lee Batchelor]

I suppose it's possible. Wasn't the early Tyros keyboards only available in 61 key versions? After a while they went to 61 and 76, then finished with 76 only?? I don't know if I have that right.

[Misu]

If we look at the two top models on the market that came in both versions 61 and 76 (Tyros5 and PA4x) we see that,
except for the length, the case has the same structure and positioning of connections with the user and certainly the fixings of the inside elements.
No one makes a different architecture for the same keyboard model for the cost reasons.
Genos2 can only have versions of 61-76-88 if it is thought of from the beginning, for Genos1 I don't think it is possible anymore.
So IMO the case is everything.
Regards!

[EileenL]

The Genos is only a couple of inches longer than Tyros 5 61 note so people who did not have space for the Tyros 5 76 note are well pleased with Genos as are most that I can't see Yamaha changing this. What is your objection to 76 notes.

[sunny]

The Genos is only a couple of inches longer than Tyros 5 61 note so people who did not have space for the Tyros 5 76 note are well pleased with Genos as are most that I can't see Yamaha changing this. What is your objection to 76 notes.

Eileen,
  If Yamaha thinks to make it Genos very compact for live performers, they will do without problem like this compact keyboard(see the picture). Yamaha is looking for customers requirements world wide. If Yamaha release Genos2 both versions 61 note compact and 76 note to satisfy all, then what is your objection ?


Sunny

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[J. Larry]

I passed on the Genos because of its size, not the price.  I opted for the SX900 because of 61 notes.  I gig a lot in some of the smallest, tightest spots imaginable.  I'd spring for a smaller Genos, if such ever appears.

[musicman01]

Hi, isn't there too much talk about nonsensical things here?? Someone who wants 61 keys buys an SX600,700,900 what is the problem??? People who play with 2 hands and advanced chords need a minimum of 76 keys! Prefer even 88 keys. And the myth that Genos is too big on stage or to transport is just something to whine about!!
What always makes me laugh is that people buy an expensive arranger keyboard to play midi files and mp3! Indeed, then 61 keys is still too much.

[Robert van Weersch]

I've gigged a lot with my previous bands too (not anymore since the pandemic, though), but I've never been in a venue where I wasn't able to find a spot for my T5-76. And for me, 76 keys is a must because I often also play the bass part in bands and split my keyboard up in three sections, and then 61 keys is often just not enough. I admid, when using the machine as an arranger, 61 keys will do most of the time.

For me though, the major disadvantage of T5-76 is the weight. The Genos is 3 kilos lighter, which is significant! I can imagine that some people would love a 61 key version, but I think an SX900 will cover almost 90% of the functionality of a Genos (not considering the keybed).

[sunny]

Hi,
Some people talk too much, they think that Genos is made for them only. How selfish they are !
  unfortunately Yamaha could not release Genos 61 note version due to hurry. But we are sure that Genos 2 61 note will be released and it will be a substitute for Tyros 5 61 note keyboard. All the players who purchased PSR SX900 because of having 61 note keyboard will come back and purchase Genos 2 61 as soon as it is released.

[EileenL]

If you think we are all selfish because we have adapted to a 76 note keyboard then that is sad. I had always been used to a 61 note keyboard but wanted all Genos had to offer so changed to 76 note board. Those extra keys are very useful when using three way split points amongst other things. I have gigged with my Genos with no problem at all. Nice also to have the extra notes when playing AI chords.
  I also have the SX900 because it is handy for playing in senior homes that only have a small room to play in but at home I always play Genos because it is a great keyboard with all of its 76 keys.

[Lee Batchelor]

The only difference in dimensions of the current Genos vs. PSR-X9000 is, the Genos is 8 inches longer and about 3 pounds heavier. For 99.99% of gigs or other uses, there's no advantage to the 61 key version. The 8 inch difference accounts for the extra octave, which people often prefer - even some Eastern players, I would wager.

Just as most Genos players are home players and very few use the Genos on stage, I would like to know how many Eastern players require a 61 key version vs. not caring if the Genos 2 was 61 or 76 keys. Has a real survey actually been done?

On the other hand, the one advantage the PSR-X9000 has over the Genos is its onboard speakers. For a quick practice where sound quality and balance is not terribly important, you can just turn the PSRX-9000 on anywhere there's a wall plug, and go through a few songs.

There are advantages to each keyboard. However, if Genos 2 is only offered in a 76 key version, there's no reason to knock Yamaha for not offering a 61 key version. The advantages are basically non-existent. Perhaps the Eastern players who, according to Sunny, only want 61 keys, may find 76 keys advantageous in some cases or they may not even care - so long as they can get their hands on the Genos sound for their enjoyment.

If the 76 key version was significantly longer and heavier, then I could see the advantage in having a 61 key version - but that's not the case (no pun intended )!

[Fred Smith]

  If Yamaha thinks to make it Genos very compact for live performers, they will do without problem like this compact keyboard(see the picture). Yamaha is looking for customers requirements world wide. If Yamaha release Genos2 both versions 61 note compact and 76 note to satisfy all, then what is your objection ?

I have no objection to a 61-key Genos. Yamaha can do what they want. I was perfectly happy with a 61-key Tyros for years, and I'd be just as happy with a 61-key Genos, as I seldom use the extra keys. But it ain't going to be. I just hate to see you waste all this time for something that's never going to happen. If you want 61 keys, buy a PSR.

Cheers,
Fred

[Lee Batchelor]

I too used a 61 key PSR for live performances for years. When they released the Tyros in 76 keys, I was delighted. I often need the extra octave.

[maartenb]

Hi Sunny,

Yamaha could not release Genos 61 note version due to hurry.

Do you know this for a fact, like you heard this from Yamaha? Or is this an assumption, a guess?


My assumption is that the Genos being only available in one version with 76 keys is to reduce costs. And therefore, price.

But we are sure that Genos 2 61 note will be released

Again, with all respect, did you hear this from the development team at Yamaha, or is this your hope and wish?


My expectation is that the Genos2 will again only be available with 76 keys. For cost reduction. It is expensive to make the molds to make the (upper and lower) halves of a keyboard. It only makes economical sense if a vendor can sell many keyboards.

I don't know the sales volumes of Tyros and Genos, but I guess the TOTL keyboards market is relative small. Case in point: Roland left the professional arranger market, and Korg still haven't come up with a successor to the PA4x. Both are still active in the MOTL markets, however, where sales volumes are higher.

So I believe it's a decision mostly based on economic grounds. I believe Yamaha is more than willing to accommodate as many customers as possible. Look at the Montage series, where you have models with different number of keys. The sale figures for Montage are higher than for Genos.


I am so very happy that we still have a top-of-the-line keyboard on this planet!


Maarten

[RoyB]

Maarten

Korg offered the PA4X with 2 keyboard options, so presumably they felt it was economically worthwhile for them. There are quite a lot of pictures and (leaked) info circulating now about the forthcoming Korg PA5X which appear to be credible. Korg must like the keyboard options approach because, if the leaked information is correct, then Korg is going to be offering the Korg PA5X with THREE keyboard options, including an 88-note hammer action keyboard, all with aftertouch.

I suspect Yamaha's decision to only produce the Genos with 76 keys was purely a marketing policy choice, perhaps based on what they learned from Tyros 5 sales (they certainly know what they are doing when it comes to marketing) - nobody outside Yamaha knows whether that will still be the decision for a new Genos.

[mikf]

 The percentage of people buying a Genos for gig work compared to home use is relatively small. The percentage of those those that absolutely need the more compact keyboard for gig work is again a relatively small percentage. ie its a very small percentage of a small percentage. Dancing on the head of a pin.
I imagine this is why Yamaha standardized on 76 keys, its just not cost effective to have both. 
Nobody knows what Yamaha  might do in the future, maybe not even Yamaha! But the odds are stacked against a 61 key Genos anytime soon, for good reason.
In fact the choice of 61 note keyboards was probably originally driven by cost and weight, but that seems to have been solved, because Genos is not very heavy. Maybe we are more likely to see 76 note keyboards in the lower cost models than a 61 key Genos 
Mike   .

[Toril S]

Until I got my Genos I always had keyboards with 61 keys. But I have really come to appreciate the extra keys!

[MadrasGiaguari]

Dear friends,

about future arrangers, Korg is starting to sell the new Pa5x. It will be available in 3 sizes: 61, 76 and 88 keys.

If you are interested to know more about it, below pls find the link to an Italian store, showing also prices. Sorry that it is in Italian, but one may easy translate trough Google.

https://casamusicalefabio.it/prodotto/korg-pa5x-keyboard/

I personally am enthusiastic about my Genos 76 keys, not missing at all my previous 61 keys arrangers. Genos is a real jewel in all senses.

Ciao,

Angelo

[Amwilburn]

Hi Angelo,

I would be suspect about that PA5x... don't forget they've had youtube videos annoucing "coming soon" since 2018 (the PA4x came out in 2015, everyone assumed they'd launch Pa5x right after Genos). Not that it's not coming soon..  it's been 7 years, it probably *is* about time.

But a 61key Pa5x likely wouldn't make sense; the PA1000 *is* the 61 key version of the PA4x, and the PA900 was the 61 key of the PA3x (same sound library & chipsets, but different flash ram and physical shell); so I'd guess that when the PA5x finally arrives, they'll do the same (PA1100 would be the 61 key version).

An 88 key version of a PA5x would be intriguing though, as they offer no such 88 key equivalent (they do make an 88 key version of the PA300 though).
As Yamaha already has an 88 key instrument using the same sound engine as the Genos (the CVP809, albeit with a fantastic Bosendorfer in place of the C7, and no sample flash ram, and only 2 sound layers versus 3), it's inlikely Yamaha would ever do an 88 key portable version of a Tyros/Genos.

As for why the 76? All previous Tyros were 61 (the last time they offered the choice was the PSR9000, way back in 2000), and then they went with 61 key exclusively for a decade... at which point? the 76 key outsold the 61 key (at least here, anyway) about 3 or 4 to 1. They've been paring down options over the last decade (only 3 CVP models vs 5 for the previous generations, and in fact the current series only offers 2). It costs more to offer different versions, and for roughly the same amount of sales.

I'm not saying they won't ever offer 61 key flagship again, just that it's been more efficient for them not to. For now.  Don't forget, by the time the next G2 launches? The PSRsx910 (or whatever they call it) will be for all intents and purposes a 61key Genos, just like the PSRsx900 is essentially a T5 (without the S.A2 sounds).

Mark


*May 28th correction: Turns out the C7 *is* in the CVP809! As a hidden voice. Those sneaky Yamaha engineers!

[MadrasGiaguari]

By the way, our lovely Genos is getting more and more precious!

Here is the link to the top music store in Italy: the price is €.5039,00 (!!!!!!!) and is presently not available (neither they say WHEN will be available).

https://www.strumentimusicali.net/product_info.php/products_id/66128/yamaha-genos-digital-workstation.html?keywords=genos

Ciao

Angelo

[Lee Batchelor]

Holy socks, Anglo. That's about $7,700 CND after tax!!!!!!!!!! I think I'll hang onto my Genos like grim death itself .

Edit If memory serves, when the Genos first arrived in Ontario, it listed at $5,499.

[soryt]

That's 800 more than  usual  in Holland

[tyrosman]

Total Fake News

[J. Larry]

If a Genos 2 ever appears, maybe under a different name, obviously, the price will be more than the current model.  If it shows in the 6-8k price range, I may give it a pass.  The SX 900 if fine with me at the moment.  However,  a much improved SX 900 at about half the current Genos price would be tempting.