Genos 2

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Lee
The guarantee came from E-pianos in uk and i assumed it was a Yamaha offer from the dealer
I rang up  E pianos and if it is a dealers guarantee there may be a clause in it .
I had a word with the main owner of the shop and he said it is general wear because some people have acidity in their fingers. It is a manufacturing fault in my eyes.
I did not get a ,oh well we will look at it and repair it. I got to send in a photograph, then he will discuss it with Yamaha.
So they may have a get out clause for people with acidity in their fingers. Who knows. I always wash my hands before playing as this stops fingers sliding off the black notes.
Ok, I have just a forward slash that has almost gone and not much to worry about, but it would be nice if you got a straight positive to say we could get that renewed for you.
on a £5000 keyboard it is a bit wrong to have buttons wearing out because of cheap printing like on my HP £12 computer keyboard.
Things have gone down hill when the keyboards changed from Japan to China.
On the Tyros the print was inside the plastic.
Another thing is that i do not like the cheap wobbly Song A   -   Song B slider. weak rubbish.
I suppose Lee that when a new Genos arrives you will still get a good price on it being 4 -5 years old.
Better than depreciation on a car ,so chin up.

All the Best
John

[Lee Batchelor]

Fully agreed, John. If Yamaha has the savvy to produce such a remarkable instrument, surely to God they can deal with a broad spectrum of peoples' varied body chemistries. They proved that with the Tyros and PSR series.

Even those who enjoy a more balanced or neutral finger chemistry will exhibit a short term shift under the pressure of playing in front of an audience, regardless of a lack of stage fright. Look at Oscar Peterson and Fats Domino. I have yet to see a video of either one of them where they didn't bring a towel on stage during their performances. Now, that's real sweat!

No my friend, someone at the top decided to show off what they learned in marketing school by convincing management to save $5 per keyboard by means of changing what worked in the past. This is not only true of Yamaha in this case but all the big players. This new generation of managers have become profit junkies. Good thing this same attitude wasn't used in the sound designs !

[Toril S]

Agreed!

[Bachus]

Maybe, on the other hand ALL Tyros updates last 3 years from one model yo another.
• Tyros (1 May 2002)
• Tyros2 (21 June 2005)
• Tyros3 (17 April 2008)
• Tyros4 (16 June 2010)
• Tyros5 (13 July 2013)

Maybe the new release doesn't include all the updates users want, but Yamaha will release it in any case...

Thats old thinking, The 3 years between keyboard updates is long gone..  Genos 2, late 2023 at earliest, but could as well be 2025.. 

[soundphase]

It's for me time now to have new sound banks with more details like the one what we can find on computers.
The Genos must really become the keyboard for soundtracks composer.

I would personnally prefer to have 500 new perfect acoustic/electric sounds instead of having 2500 of old one.
That would consume more memory. So, I expect before all a new Genos with far more memory and SSD storage, and new sound banks (and if possible the removal of the awful transitions "issues" between registrations when we don't choose carefully each sound for each part)

I'm quite sure the Genos has already CPU&DSP capacities  for this.

... And I bet the new algorithms on drums will also be applied on samples for acoustic sounds on Genos 2.

The fact that Yamaha expansions are free is a sign for me, it's difficult for Yamaha to continue to sell individual sounds with this "2010 years" quality.
They prefer their Genos/Tyros customers to be satisfied to get these packs free, instead of letting them buying samples from other companies.


Regards
Soundphase

[Lee Batchelor]

It's for me time now to have new sound banks with more details like the one what we can find on computers.
The Genos must really become the keyboard for soundtracks composer.

I would personally prefer to have 500 new perfect acoustic/electric sounds instead of having 2500 of old one.
That would consume more memory. So, I expect before all a new Genos with far more memory and SSD storage, and new sound banks (and if possible the removal of the awful transitions "issues" between registrations when we don't choose carefully each sound for each part)

I'm quite sure the Genos has already CPU&DSP capacities  for this.

... And I bet the new algorithms on drums will also be applied on samples for acoustic sounds on Genos 2.

The fact that Yamaha expansions are free is a sign for me, it's difficult for Yamaha to continue to sell individual sounds with this "2010 years" quality.
They prefer their Genos/Tyros customers to be satisfied to get these packs free, instead of letting them buying samples from other companies.
Regards
Soundphase

Agreed! In a lot of cases, several of the Genos styles are the same as the Tyros series but with the newer voices applied. It's time to retire these Tyros styles to a legacy bank somewhere in the Genos and build some new ones from scratch. I know that costs money but we are paying top dollar for this keyboard.

I'm still a proponent of having far better piano voices. It's the mainstay voice of any keyboard. The Genos pianos have improved but are still below par. Nord added a dedicated 1GB of RAM to accommodate their updated piano voices. Then, they gave us additional piano voices that we could download for free. I know I'm comparing apples to oranges here but there are enough commonalities in the two keyboards to justify better piano sounds for the Genos.

[Pincho Paxton]

I would like Registration change at end of beat option the same as styles, plus the best Pianos.

[Lee Batchelor]

I would like Registration change at end of beat option the same as styles, plus the best Pianos.

Agreed!!!

[danand]

Thats old thinking, The 3 years between keyboard updates is long gone..  Genos 2, late 2023 at earliest, but could as well be 2025..

What ever you say... I'm sure that you know everything about everything and the rest of us are nothing but "old thinkers".

[Bachus]

What ever you say... I'm sure that you know everything about everything and the rest of us are nothing but "old thinkers".

Thats an odd opinion?

I told you its not an opinion, it was said by Peter Baartmans at several demonstrations here in Holland. genos will have a production cycle of atleast 5 years..

But then who is Peter Baartmans to make such bold statements?

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
It is all about supply and demand and also what the opposition are doing.
Business does not love the people , it loves making money

[Bachus]

Hi
It is all about supply and demand and also what the opposition are doing.
Business does not love the people , it loves making money

Its not just supply and demand...

But you are right its all about making as much money as possible.

In ths buiseness where demand is not extremely high..
They need every trick in the book to make it worthwhile..

[Pincho Paxton]

It seems to me that you would make more money changing the name completely than calling it Genos 2. Would you want both Genos 1, and Genos 2? Or would you want Genos 1, and Xenos?

To me I could only have two keyboards named differently even though its psychological.

[Lee Batchelor]

The Tyros series ran successfully with five identical names. To your point Pincho, I think the next arranger will be more of a crossover between the conventional arranger and the Montage. It seems we older users who like to take our keyboards out for an afternoon of entertainment at a retirement home, or simply playing the Genos in our den or living room, are becoming fewer. If I'm right, such a jump would not have us seeing the next keyboard until at least 2024.

By "crossover" I mean an arranger with far more editing and recording tools. Hopefully, it will provide a less convoluted process for recording to a DAW. It's not bad now, after you figure it out, but there are still too many hoops to jump through.

From a voice and style editing point of view, it would be nice to have full integration with a desktop computer and easy to use software versus having to do everything on a tiny touchscreen.

These are just my speculations and dreams .

[MadrasGiaguari]

Dear Eileen,

nice to hear that your Genos buttons are still in a good shape.

May I ask you how old is your Genos?

Thank you,

Angelo

[Bachus]

Dear Eileen,

nice to hear that your Genos buttons are still in a good shape.

May I ask you how old is your Genos?

Thank you,

Angelo

She got hers at release day..

Mine is just as old, and still looks like on day 1

[Toril S]

My buttons are still OK, but I have some shiny spots around often used buttons. The matt black surface of the Genos is prone to this! It has been discussed here several times.

[EileenL]

Yes Bachus is right. I have had mine since release. I do quite a bit of editing on it so it gets well used and still looks as good as it did when new.

[Lee Batchelor]

Yes Bachus is right. I have had mine since release. I do quite a bit of editing on it so it gets well used and still looks as good as it did when new.

You're lucky, Eileen. A lot of us have those shiny spots Toril mentioned AND fading buttons. You must have perfect body chemistry . Does it come from clean living or all that tea you folks drink ?

Side note - I love reading Eileen's posts. No matter how dark the room gets, she always finds a way to raise the blinds!

[Toril S]

Agreed! We love Eileen. Always willing to help and encourage us❤️

[Lee Batchelor]

Agreed! We love Eileen. Always willing to help and encourage us❤️

Right again. What will we all do when she decides to sell her Genos and buy a Roland ??!!

[Jeff Hollande]

I have been told there will not come a Genos2 at all but a new high end arranger made by Korg and Yamaha together.

As usual, no doubt in my mind, this news must be fake again. 😜

Best regards,  JH

[Lee Batchelor]

Good one, Jeff! Seeing Yamaha and Korg co-design and produce a keyboard is just like the famous Buddy Holly song, "That'll Be The Day" .

[EileenL]

I must admit that I do have a very dry skin and am allergic to Sun UVA UVB and every plant you can mention. My keyboard has been my salvation as it keeps my busy when you are all enjoying yourselves in the sun.

[mikf]

Eileen, it seems that you and Yamaha arrangers are just made for each other!
On a slightly more serious note - one thing I never see on 'wish' lists that I believe would be a great improvement, would be the ability to play along with intros and endings - with both hands. I know some novice players might be very happy let the keyboard do the work, but more experienced players don't like just sitting there looking. The intro and endings currently respond to chord changes so you cannot play along with it without possibly screwing it up. What it needs is programmed so the initial chord triggers the key of the intro, but any subsequent playing does not. This is especially important when you have the keyboard set to full keyboard mode where even rh playing can affect the chord changes.
Mike

[ckobu]

Hi Mike,
An INTRO in which both hands need to be played can be made. Listen to one example, in the first part you will hear INTRO without changing the chord, and in the second part you will hear how it really sounds.

https://youtu.be/YJckfpXZpf0

[mikf]

Not the same thing because what I am hearing here is really no different from playing your own intro over a main variation. I was referring to playing along with an intro with chord changes built in. For example, I have this very nice style for the Nat Cole song Unforgettable. It is a pretty decent version of the intro on his recording, but not only is it quite long, so I find it awkward to just sit there, but I know I could add to it. But you can't play along, because of course it would immediately screw it up.
Mike

[ckobu]

Hi Mike,
I'm not sure I understand what you need.
OK, it doesn't even matter.

regards, ckobu

[mikf]

Simple cboku, - I don't like not playing, ie just sitting while the keyboard plays for me. So I don't normally use intros, I just play my own. But some iconic intros need more than you can do in live playing, like multiple instrument parts, tempo changes etc. In these cases a pre prepared canned intro is great, it can be made to sound just like the original recording  - but then you can't play while it plays.
I would like the intro to act more like a hybrid midi, you trigger it with a chord in the correct key, then it plays and transitions to the main variation like any intro now, BUT while it is playing you can play along without it being altered by your playing. Endings ditto.
Mike

[overover]

Hi Mike,

you could set the Left Split Point to a higher note (i.e. not to the same note as the Style Split Point). Then you can play the Left part in the keyboard area between the Style control section and the Right section. The fingering type should of course not be set to "Full Keyboard", but rather to Fingered or AI Fingered, for example.

If you want, you could just put the above into Registration #1 and then (after the Intro) use Registration #2 to switch the fingering to "Full Keyboard" and/or change the Left Split Point again.


Best regards,
Chris