The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard

[Fred Smith]

Drake - don't worry, Yamaha will recover all the software development costs from CVP and Genos buyers. Then they can throw it in the next model down a couple of years later at almost no cost. That's their normal modus operandi. LOL.
Mike

We Genos players don't want to pay extra for something that is free elsewhere, either.

Cheers,
Fred

[Enildo]

Ladies and gentlemen!

All of these technologies will be silly things in the near future.
Without this "I don't want to pay more" for this or that, if you don't have any of this, you will pay more anyway.
Regardless of what resources we will or will not pay the most.
More imagine our current keyboards, with all these technologies at our disposal, and imagine if we were still with the PSR 510,
from the 90s, and companies were not going to implement any extra resources because we would pay more for them ...
All of this will come, whether in the next model or in future models, and we will always pay more, as it is the logic of the market.
Until today I never paid cheaper when I changed equipment.

All of these wishes will be silly things in the future, and future generations will continue to demand new things
and all of this will be implemented by companies like Yamaha, Korg, Roland, etc ...

Perhaps in our backward minds today, it doesn't make sense that an "A" or "B" feature is available directly on our keyboards.
Here comes the questions: "But what am I going to need this for?" "And why would anyone pay more for it, if a computer program already exists?"
The logic of the future is called "practicality". In the past I needed 10 electronic devices and used large and heavy speakers,
today I only use the keyboard and 1 or 2 portable speakers weighing less than 20 kg.

The future does not stop, whether you like it or not.

Enildo

[mikf]

Predicting what people will value in the future is almost impossible. Many years ago Bell Telephone company, at the time the largest communication company in the world, hired a firm of  top consultants to investigate whether they should enter the mobile phone market. After spending several million dollars on market research the consultants advised Bell that mobile phones only had value to a relatively small group of people and that it was a small niche not worth their attention.
Mike

[rodrigo.b]

Hey everyone!

The things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:

1.The ability to create MegaVoices and Super Articulation voices
2.More powerful style creator with an easy to use interface
3.More drum and percussion voices with better quality
4.CFX and C7 piano samples (with a lot of layers not only 3 or 4)
5.Improved Score display function (now the score display doesn't show you things like sustain pedal)
6.Aftertouch
7.HDMI video output.
8.New Vocal Harmony with more presets to choose from
9.More demo songs to showcase the new voices, styles and features
10.A better Megaenhancer software built in to the keyboard.

[Toril S]

I just want a keyboard that is easy to sit and play, with a large screen, and a file system that highlight the folder you are in and a quick way to navigate between files. A tilted screen would be nice! And I want Yamaha to make it easy to switch styles between keyboards without all the tweaking and voice changes we have to do.

[metcam]

My wishes to next psr:

1.Song Syncro Start Off/On realy neded for all players who use MIDI songs and style together for play. At this moment on SX-900 is almost perfect ,just need a little  to complete that functions:

MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.

2. More expansion room,,2GB or more....

3.SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:

Since Yamaha rise song to 3MB now we need more "SONG POSITIONS markers"

It would be nice if Yamaha make in SX? a minimum 8 or even better 12 of SONG POSITIONS markers:

4. NOTE SHIFT on board.

5.MIDI DRUM EDITOR  so we have same as on style drum editor.

6. Posability to create custom voices and custom drums from Internal/External samples

7. SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:  possibility to call positions trough registrations will be very  useful

8. Song PART (VOICE/DRUM KIT)  and VOLUME change  for each MIDI Chanel possibility to memorize (REGISTRATIONS MEMORY)  and call when need. Same as style parts! This will  be a very helpful!

Regards!

[tbaroghel]

Maybe I am out of line here, but what I would really appreciate is an easy/natural way to adjust tempo in real time when playing live:
I would like to be able to "slow down" the tempo at certain moments and quickly return to the original. Also a way to gradually increase tempo for other pieces.
I have tried using an expression pedal assigned to tempo, but it was really hit and miss. Maybe users had success with this or a rotary knob ...

I hope this is just something I missed in the exploration of my SX900 features, and I am ready to stand corrected if a method exists already.

Regards,

Thierry

[mikf]

If you set a pedal to tap in the beat, then you can easily reset the tempo in real time with a foot tap. Actually it takes two taps to set the new tempo. But one thing to also be aware of is that often styles only sound good within certain tempo limits. Try slowing a style way down and you will see what I mean.
Mike

[Georgeandmarj]

My main ask is for an expansion system that is easy, I've given up on the present one.

[jugge]

On the top of my list, is a VST connection plugin similar to the one available for the MODX, for integration with Cubase and other DAWs
It was always a bit of pain to get Genos play nice with Cubase, but this plugin have save me a lot of headache.
Every changes made on the Keyboard will be transferred to Cubase and recalled once you open the project in Cubase again.

Oh, and Soundmondo integration would be nice too  https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/

[overover]

My main ask is for an expansion system that is easy, I've given up on the present one.

Hi Georgeandmarj,

basically, the current YEM system is very easy to use. In the meantime, Yamaha has eliminated a lot of previous bugs / "teething problems". So if you have installed the latest Firmware on your keyboard, are using the latest YEM version and, ideally, have also read the relevant manuals, everything should work.

I've looked at 80 of your previous posts (back to 2018), but didn't find any questions about YEM (Yamaha Expansion Manager) among them. Just start a new thread and ask all questions about the points where you get stuck with YEM or when installing Expansion Packs on your keyboard. Here in the forum you will for sure get help!


Best regards,
Chris

[Enildo]

Hello forum!

I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.

Enildo

[attachment deleted by admin]

[Toril S]

Enildo, I agree fully!!!

[hans1966]

Hello forum!

I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.

Enildo

Hello Enildo, very good points.

Let's wait to see what features Yamaha add to the new model.

regards

Hans

[Luis Carlos GM]

Hi Enildo,
As I saw that the Yamaha PSR-A5000 was recently released, will there be accessibility support? Most probably the sx series has it so it will be applied to the new A5000, although I'm not shure.

[Enildo]

Hi Enildo,
As I saw that the Yamaha PSR-A5000 was recently released, will there be accessibility support? Most probably the sx series has it so it will be applied to the new A5000, although I'm not shure.

Olá Luis Carlos

I believe that all new models from the SX and Genos lines will have accessibility support.

Enildo

[Luis Carlos GM]

Also believe that. This could be an interesting topic to discuss.

[overover]

Hi luiscarlos2000,

the term "voice guide" is mentioned in the A5000 Reference Manual more than 20 times.

So this model definitely has this function (like SX900/700 and Genos). The only thing is that the Voice Guide file is not yet available for download.


Best regards,
Chris

[Luis Carlos GM]

Thanks for the answer Chriss. I understand it correctly: Voice guide is implemented, however the file is not yet available to download. Only waiting is our best option.

[metcam]

I wish Yamaha implement trough next OS and YEM update  to SX-series keyboards " Special features" in YEM same as "Genos/Tyros5" have.

Yamaha Expansion manager owners manual page 24.


I really don't like compare Yamaha to others ,,,well  all KORG PA series starting from PA-80 20 years ago have that options.
It's really shame the new SX-series can't do this.

Believe Yamaha will update this option to SX keyboards. 

Best regards!

[attachment deleted by admin]

[Joe H]

What I would like to see is:

All Live control parameters can be assigned to foot pedal.
Sy*** messages available for ALL arpeggio parameters in the Data List book. 

Joe H

[DJIncendration]

Good thinking. I have a few things I'd like to add:
19. Revo!Drums/SFX: The A5000 has 20 Revo SFX, while the Genos has 10 Revo Drums and SFX, and the SX900 has none. The SX900 only has the drums and PopPercKit without wave cycling and all the technology that the Revo!Drums/SFX have on the Genos/A5000.
20. voices: The PSR-SX600 has voices that are not on the PSR-SX700, 900, or Genos (not that I'd definitely use all of them, but still). Here are a few examples:
CavacoLegato 8 35 24 S.Art!
CavacoStrum 8 37 24 S.Art!
ViolaCaipiraLegato 8 32 15 S.Art!
ViolaCaipiraStrum 8 34 15 S.Art!
I understand that the keyboards may increase in price with these changes, but they'd make the flagship keyboard (and the PSR models) even better.
Edit: Turns out that the voices I listed earlier are in an expansion pack for the SX700, 900, and Genos. Only 19 still applies.

[jamferreira2020]

I would add voice command search

[cliffordleo1965]

Hello everyone!

The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:

01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls

Enildo

sx 900 and psr s 975 all operating battens are rubbered it have change to plastic battens then it will be better like genos butens it will be long lasting cost we can bare

[cliffordleo1965]

Hello forum!

I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.

Enildo

only color is changes is not ok. if style operating buttons and other buttons must have to change to plastic it will be better. its in genos keyboard, if sx series have same type buttons Yamaha co can cost little more for it, its long life, and user friendly.. clifford leo dsouza,

[Fred Smith]

ALSO Stating things that I DO NOT want
- Vocal harmony
- Touch Displays
- YEM and everything related to it. OR integrate this into the keyboard, Packs should be installable from within the keyboard.
- Demonstration songs (Please put those in the website)
- Music Finder stuffs
- OTS
- MIDI in / out / thru jacks (Please make those USB based)

I don't think arranger keyboards are for you.

Cheers,
Fred

[mikf]

My wishlist for the next PSR keyboard ...
Should be a Hybrid (Arranger + Synthesizer workstation)

IMHO this is almost exactly what the majority of arranger buyers would NOT want. More complicated keyboards are already out there, but not what typical arranger buyers choose. They want want simple, easy play, good sound. We see this kind of sentiment quite often because the "power users" tend to be more demanding, more vocal....but they do not represent the majority buyer, so hopefully Yamaha see this in the proper context.
Mike

[pjd]

Should be a Hybrid (Arranger + Synthesizer workstation)

IMHO this is almost exactly what the majority of arranger buyers would NOT want.

Mike

Hi Mike --

I get what you're saying. However, there may be a way to implement synth-like voice editing without complicating the existing arranger interface. I'm thinking about a single button in the voice edit menu which opens a door to the synth parameters that are currently hidden from users. To keep development cost low, table/textual editing would be enough -- no need for graphical dials, etc.

The older Tyros series had keyboard-resident voice editing (Voice Creator) which they removed in order to simplify. Then, they had to scramble to implement voice editing in YEM -- and doing only a half-way job of it.

Not to start a Yamaha vs. Korg discussion, but the Korg arrangers do have deeper voice editing. Does Yamaha want to compete in that area or lose so-called power users to Korg?

Personally, I'm not letting Yamaha off the hook -- pj

[hans1966]

I totally agree with you Pjd.

It would be good if Yamaha implemented some voice editing parameters such as: Oscillators, with their AMP, and respective PITCH (Can be Osc1, Osc2) EG (Envelope Generators), LFO (Low Frequency Oscillator) LFO1, LFO2
Crossfade, to create nice transitions between various layers of sound.

All this plus what comes from the factory in the SX series, and Genos which is: Cut, Release, Attack, Decay.

These are just my two cents

Greetings

Hans

[Amwilburn]

Hi Mike --

I get what you're saying. However, there may be a way to implement synth-like voice editing without complicating the existing arranger interface. I'm thinking about a single button in the voice edit menu which opens a door to the synth parameters that are currently hidden from users. To keep development cost low, table/textual editing would be enough -- no need for graphical dials, etc.

The older Tyros series had keyboard-resident voice editing (Voice Creator) which they removed in order to simplify. Then, they had to scramble to implement voice editing in YEM -- and doing only a half-way job of it.

Not to start a Yamaha vs. Korg discussion, but the Korg arrangers do have deeper voice editing. Does Yamaha want to compete in that area or lose so-called power users to Korg?

Personally, I'm not letting Yamaha off the hook -- pj

There's no voice editor? I mean, I can still use the voice edit function (on all the current touchscreen models), change ADSR via the "Sound" submenu of voice edit... that seems to be the same as on my CVP309 and PSRs970? Or was it deeper on the non-touchscreen Yamahas?

Just checked our T4, and you're right... I didn't even notice the "Voice Edit via PC" and "Custom Voice Assembly"! How does the latter work? Can I trigger different voices at different velocities? were these custom voices exportable to other boards?

Mark