PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10

[dalekwars]

just watched all the video and indeed for the price you get a lot....I was interested to see that he did not feature the styles very much....because despite his claims that they beat a PSr sx 600, 700 and Korg Pa700   obviously the guy is being paid a whopping amount by Medeli as there simply is no comparison...to my ears they sounded like the styles of a tyros 1!!   his constant critique of Yamaha I began to find very annoying...and as for the claims that you could use this keyboard to go right up to grade 8!!  is he really a teacher?? i have not on any of his video's seen any real skill in playing.....

The other points made about style libraries, software etc are very important and here Medeli have literally no presence in the market at all which is odd as they have been around for some time so why no style and sound libraries....

The other comment that you would hardly buy a keyboard like this to play Chopin or Debussy I found astonishing as what the Medeli claims to be able to do and the polophony playing this sort of music should be a breeze as it is on my SX900

As I said it would be fun to own if I had money to throw away but as Toril said and I agree....stay far far away from it!

[DJIncendration]

I think Yamaha should be seriously worried. There's no doubt that this has copied most of its design and operation from Yamaha. But it does it as well, if not better in some ways. Jeremy is especially impressed by the software - compare that to the almost universally hated YEM. I think this keyboard would be more appealing to younger people than the SX700 or even SX900 based on its price and styling.

It does have very very similar settings and sounds, however, they didn't copy. For example, take the first, 3rd, 4th and 5th guitar sounds in the video.

[Jeff Hollande]

 Medeli are assembling Yamaha arranger keyboards in China.
Correct or a joke ?

Regards,
JH

[ssmaynard29]

Hello..I have been considering purchasing the Medeli AKX10 or Yamaha DGX 670.  In your opinion which keyboard
has the better sound quality?  Another concern I have is that I would like to add additional styles and know I can
use this site for the Yamaha DGX670, but not so sure about the Medeli.

Thank you for your input.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi :

I bought a Medeli AKX10 three weeks ago.
I am regulary in contact with Medeli / China.

All my e-mail questions ( in English ) are answered within 12 hours and these people are very friendly.

The AKX10 is a lower priced ( USD 699,-- ) 61 keys arranger keyboard.

The styles are OK and the keyboard sounds very good but it is not a high end arranger keyboard.
See all specs on the internet.

It is my second keyboard.

I need at least 2 - 3 months to have a good knowledge of my AKX10 but my first impression is very good.
I am not disappointed. 😃

# 1 is my SX900. 👍

Best regards, JH

[Amwilburn]

Medeli are assembling Yamaha arranger keyboards in China.
Correct or a joke ?

Regards,
JH

As I've mentioned, Yamaha doesn't do OEM. Medeli is its own company; Yamaha has their own factories in China (and Japan, & Indonesia).
Yamaha's factory is in Hangzhou, China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjOI-jQmgdM

Medeli's is in Jinwan, China

http://subsites.chinadaily.com.cn/zhuhai/2017-07/28/c_88520.htm


If you check on Google maps, those 2 are approx 1400km apart.

Mark

[Jeff Hollande]

Hello Mark  :

Thank you for your feedback.
It looks like you are well informed. 🤓

It is good to hear there is no relationship between both manufacturers.
One never knows which real connection there might be between Medeli and Yamaha though.

Yamaha is ( worldwide ) the most important and best producer of all arranger keyboards and software.

2 RUMORS ?
01. We have been told Yamaha will end their own software production soon ? 🤔

02. It seems Yamaha have decided a third party will produce all their software like styles, voices etc. in the near future ? 🙄

I really wonder if the above information is correct though. 😎
Hard to believe, I guess ... but not impossible.
Maybe time will tell, who knows ?

Bye for now, JH

[km.prod]

Hello ssmaynard29
I know there is a style converter between Yamaha and Medeli, so that's not a problem.

Regarding the differences between DGX670, its 88 heavy hammer keys stand out, and the Medeli has other extra functions

Hello..I have been considering purchasing the Medeli AKX10 or Yamaha DGX 670.  In your opinion which keyboard
has the better sound quality?  Another concern I have is that I would like to add additional styles and know I can
use this site for the Yamaha DGX670, but not so sure about the Medeli.

Thank you for your input.

[km.prod]

Hello, forum members

Since August 2 I made a pre-purchase of a Medeli AKX10, and this week I hope they confirm the shipment.

I have been reading and watching videos about this new model, said to be the Medeli A1000 update, but with improvements that make it similar to the Psr sx700 and 900 or close to the Korg pa700 to the pa900. What if it is clear that Medeli is better than the Casio brand, because it maintains the well-known taste of Yamaha

There is also a style converter from Yamaha to Medeli.

When I have the piano I will share more about it.

God bless you

[Misu]

Congratulation,

The price is better than all.
Regarding the look, touch screen and sound is close to SX-700
Memory for custom voices 756MB is close to S-975
3 switches for joystick and 256 polyphony is close to Genos
Bluetooth audio & midi is close but better than SX-900 and all the rest.
Regarding the Mono Legato is close then A-5000 and better then all the rest.
Grand suite is clear better than YEM and edit styles and arpeggios.
Customer service is great they answer and help.
Color change for led are great.
All made in China.
Good choice for low budget.

[Teknoss]

And I just installed and tried the "YEM" for those Medeli keyboards: Grandsuite.
It has the choice to assign an "element" and each sample to KEYOFF, very important to make realistic voices.
Yamaha doesn't want us to have that choice, they just gave us very basic tools on YEM.
You can't do it on YEM for Yamaha Genos, but you can do it for a Medeli LOL with Grandsuite.
SHAME ON YOU YAMAHA!

[mikf]

Companies make business decisions about products and features based on meeting their goals, not out of arrogance or to insult buyers. When they get them wrong or the market landscape changes, they revisit them. Thats how competition works. They might decide to change, they might not,  but they dont necessarily have to match competitors products feature for feature to be successful. They view the whole package. Thats why we have choices.
Mike

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Guys  :

I can confirm the AKX10 is a great keyboard for its price and it is a good additional arranger keyboard to my SX900.

I am ( almost monthly ) in contact with Medeli Shangai/China and it might be their intention, they say, to build a high end arranger keyboard in the near future.

However, before they are deciding they have to wait if their AKX10 sales volume is as forecasted and/or expected, I guess.
No final decision has been taken yet. Wait and see.

Regards, JH

[Toril S]

Just as I feared!

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Toril  :

I would be very grateful to tell me what you mean.
Sorry but I do not understand your words well.
Age problem maybe.😋

Best regards, JH

[Toril S]

Jeff, I had a wrong spelling Corrected it!

[Amwilburn]

I wish we still sold Medeli at our store so that I could try one. It does sound really good for the $$$

[GenosMan]

For those with an AKX10 -
1) Is there a chord looping feature?
2) Can you edit notes in the sequencer? I checked the manual and it seems there is no way to edit the midi data (at least, it doesn't appear to be covered).
3) Can you change the sounds on already recorded tracks? In a recent YouTube video, the reviewer says he was unable to change the sound on an already recorded midi track! 

[km.prod]

in which video ?

For those with an AKX10 -
1) Is there a chord looping feature?
2) Can you edit notes in the sequencer? I checked the manual and it seems there is no way to edit the midi data (at least, it doesn't appear to be covered).
3) Can you change the sounds on already recorded tracks? In a recent YouTube video, the reviewer says he was unable to change the sound on an already recorded midi track! 

[janamdo]

Yamaha stands as a rock and this Chinese keyboard can probably not compete with the SX600 in quality and performance

[Toril S]

Agreed! I cringe when people call it a Yamaha clone, it is NOT. But, by all means, enjoy it as long as it lasts! Have fun and play music

[Jeff Hollande]

Correct, Toril ! Well said. 🤓 🌟 ☝️

The AKX10 is not a Yamaha clone.

I love my Yamaha SX900 and I like my Medeli AKX10 very much.

A Mercedes and a VW are both very reliable, nice and competitive cars but different, also in price.

See also Android, Windows and Mac hardware.

BTW Medeli China confirmed me recently they will manufacture HIGH END
arranger keyboards in the near future.

Very exciting news, I guess.

If the price difference will be comparable to their AKX10, it might become much more interesting. Wait and see.

Best regards, JH

[km.prod]

Medeli AKX10 is better than Yamaha psr sx600 and Korg pa300 (o pa600). I have these keyboards

[mikf]

A Mercedes and a VW are both very reliable, nice and competitive cars but different, ......

Actually not that different - both are world renowned brands, both have worldwide distribution, almost 100 year history, and huge reputation. Not a comparison similar to Medeli and Yamaha at all.
Mike

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Mike :

You are absolutely right ! They are not very well known in the USA e.g. yet.
Only a few small number of US dealers started to sell this keyboard ( AKX10 ) in the USA now.

Medeli, a Chinese manufacturer, are 25 years on the market now and they have never made high end arranger keyboards ever before.
They have the serious intention to manufacture high ends since they recently started to distribute the AKX10 worldwide.

The AKX10 model ( picture below ) seems to become popular. I have one. Not bad at all for its price ( EURO 689,-- ).

Here in Europe Medeli have dealers and a European Distribution Centre has been created in my lovely small country, The Netherlands.

Best regards, JH

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[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
It might be a Yawahara next

[mikf]

It doesn't have to if it's half the cost.

[km.prod]

Marketing of Psr sx600 versus capacity of Medeli AKX10

[ckobu]

Continuation of the story, and Thomann joined the game ...

https://youtu.be/GV5SVnHRosY

[FantomX]

Hi ... I bought Medeli AKX10 out of curiosity and tested it. Personal opinion ... good keyboard, similar to Yamaha SX (700-900), maybe a little better, Sound: the sound is better then I espected.
Rich, powerfull and bright but not thin, Style Creator ... here it is on the ground (toy from the 80's) .. but I sent an email to Medeli, and, surprise very receptive to customer requests .. in 2 days I received an answer:  Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting Medeli !

Your demand is well received.  We know about the Style Edit of AKX10 has some limitations and restrictions, we understand now it is not easy to edit styles on AKX10.  So started from a couple of month ago, we planned a major upgrade to the Style Edit function, and we are doing it right now. 

Here are some the upgrades of Style Edit that I can share with you:
- We will remove the restriction of the channel mapping. In the current version, the original channel 1 and 9 is constantly mapped to Drum track, channel 2 and 10 to Percussion, channel 3 and 11 to Bass, and so on. It will be able to freely map the channels to any tracks.
- We will remove the restriction of channel using of different sections. Now only Intros and Endings can use channel 1~8, Mains and Fill Ins only uses channel 9~16. We will allow all sections use all 16 channels.
- We will remove the limitations of chord rules. Now only Major/Minor/All can be selected for tracks to decide which chord types they will play. We will open all Root mute, Chord mute and other chord response settings.
- We will remove the restriction of C Major 7-notes-only.
- Most of the parameters and sound settings can be changed when the style is playing in Style Edit.
- The event list actually can display program changes, controller changes, not only notes.  But we will upgrade the display and operation of some events like the sound selections.

Above is a part of the upgrades we are developing right now.  This firmware upgrade will be released with some other new features, upgrades and bug fixes.  It is now planned to be released around next March.

We know the planned upgrades in the new firmware probably will not solve all issues you have listed.  We will keep the maintenance and upgrade for your AKX10.  But please understand that AKX10 is not a top grade work station, some very detailed editing might better be done with desktop DAW.

Thank you for your feedback.  Happy new year, best wishes to you and your family!

Best regards,
So, from March, keep an eye on Medeli AKX10 ... big changes in OS are announced .   Happy new year to everyone !