Genos 2.0 - Houston, we have a problem!

[StuartR]

After the Genos 2.0 upgrade I've noticed that a bunch of my registrations suddenly had one or more voices that showed up blank.  The particular voice (or voices)  is still shown enabled but the actual voice selection just has dashes in place of the actual voice. This has affected at least 12 registrations so far. When I reference the backup copy of these on the USB drive those parts are still blank. This tells me that there is an issue with their referenced location in memory rather than in the registrations themselves. When I touch a particular missing voice it takes me to the correct category that the original voice is in. These missing voices are from both preset and Expansion locations.

After the upgrade I reloaded all my packs using YEM 2.6, adding one additional large pack (CMS Grand). Then i applied the Superior pack using the new incremental method. This used almost all of the 3072MB of available memory.  Somewhere along the way this problem surfaced. Not good. Not good at all.

I've reloaded (with formatting) all my original packs again without the large CMS pack and without the incremental loading of the Superior pack. This didn't help. The problem remains.

At this point I'm faced with trying to remember what these missing voice selections were and manually readding all of them.

[ckobu]

The problem is probably in the position of the Packs, it is determined by the LSB number. You need to install the same LSB in YEM as it was on version 1.41. Here is a video showing how to do it.

https://youtu.be/BUogEjIhsGo?t=234

[StuartR]

The problem is probably in the position of the Packs, it is determined by the LSB number. You need to install the same LSB in YEM as it was on version 1.41. Here is a video showing how to do it.

https://youtu.be/BUogEjIhsGo?t=234

While i appreciate your input your video isn't helpful to me. How am I supposed to know what they were before the upgrade? Do I need to reload the previous version of YEM and get the pack LSBs?

[valimaties]

After the Genos 2.0 upgrade I've noticed that a bunch of my registrations suddenly had one or more voices that showed up blank.  This has affected at least 12 registrations so far. When I reference the backup copy of these on the USB drive those parts are still blank. This tells me that there is an issue with their referenced location in memory rather than in the registrations themselves

After the upgrade I reloaded all my packs using YEM 2.6, adding one additional large pack (CMS Grand). Then i applied the Superior pack using the new incremental method. This used almost all of the 3072MB of available memory.  Somewhere along the way this problem surfaced. Not good. Not good at all.

I've reloaded (with formatting) all my original packs again without the large CMS pack and without the incremental loading of the Superior pack. This didn't help. The problem remains.

Try to open your style in a software, like MixMaster or Jorgen softwares, and see which LSB-PC is missing on you styles. I guess that is about your Packs installation. Some voices are missing from your packs.

In my opinion Quick installation is something like "Append to existing". What means that?!:
If the LSB exists (pack) - install/update existing MSB/PC (Drum Or Voice Number).
If LSB doesn't exists, create it and add MSB/PC voices on free space...

So, in my opinion, to can solve your problem, you must see which are the voices you miss from keyboard. And this can be made only with software like MixMaster.
Find your MSB/LSB/PC number of your channel in style in MixMaster, and go to YEM. Find in YEM the LSB (the pack) corresponding, click on it, and go to "Edit Program Change" option. That is available only if your pack is not a CPF pack, else, look for CPF pack on website and find the list with "what pack contains". there you will find which voice was not load to your installation.

Regards,
Vali

[valimaties]

You need to install the same LSB in YEM as it was on version 1.41

I don't think he deleted all packs from YEM 1.41 before uninstalling it.
If so, is bad thing if he did not make a picture of the LSB screen, or if he did not make a backup of YEM installation packs with my software.

Uninstalling YEM does NOT delete user's content.

[StuartR]

I don't think he deleted all packs from YEM 1.41 before uninstalling it.
If so, is bad thing if he did not make a picture of the LSB screen, or if he did not make a backup of YEM installation packs with my software.

Uninstalling YEM does NOT delete user's content.

Walt.... this isn't a problem I've created. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a serious problem that others may face.

[ckobu]

Import to Genos the old ppi file from 1.41.
Then you can see the LSB on the middle three numbers (red square) if you activate the show number.
Of course, you have to look at that number Expanison/Your Pack, not in Preset Voice as shown in the picture

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[StuartR]

Enter to Genos the old ppi file from 1.41.
Then you can see the LSB on the middle three numbers (red square) if you activate the show number.
Of course, not to look at Preset but at Expanison/Your Pack

I don't have any .ppi from 1.41. These packs are all purchased and haven't been modified. The question at hand is why did this upgrade change these LSBs?

[ckobu]

Ufff.
The upgrade Genos did not change the LSB numbers. They were changed because the Packs were entered in the new YEM in a different order.
Try to do as Vali says.

[valimaties]

ckobu, I don't think he understands how YEM works, finally .

Ok.
Finally, you can do so:
Install old version 1.41 and check if those missing voices are there. If not, you have unloaded from YEM before saving the pack installation.
I have installed OS 2.0 and YEM 2.6.0 without any problem, and ALL my content is there.
The problem is how YOU manage the voices and the packs in YEM.

It's very very simple!

[StuartR]

ckobu, I don't think he understands how YEM works, finally .

Ok.
Finally, you can do so:
Install old version 1.41 and check if those missing voices are there. If not, you have unloaded from YEM before saving the pack installation.
I have installed OS 2.0 and YEM 2.6.0 without any problem, and ALL my content is there.
The problem is how YOU manage the voices and the packs in YEM.

It's very very simple!

First off...I didn't change the order of any packs in YEM. They're in exactly the same order as they were in the last version if YEM.
Secondly I don't think I'm going to regress my Genos back to 1.41 and worry that other issues could happen.

[ckobu]

You got it wrong. I didn't say bring Genos back to version 1.41 

I said he was installing an old Pack that used to be in Genos. So he can see the proper layout of the LSB

[valimaties]

You got it wrong. I didn't say bring Genos back to version 1.41 

I said he was installing an old Pack that used to be in Genos. So he can see the proper layout of the LSB

You got me wrong too... )))

I said to install 1.41 because I think that some of the voices he had are incompatible with this new version, probably. That's why I said to revert to old version!

[valimaties]

Secondly I don't think I'm going to regress my Genos back to 1.41 and worry that other issues could happen.

Fred did it because of Text characters, and he didn't complain of any issues

Ok, do it as you want I tried to help you, but if you don't want to cooperate, I cannot say anything more
Good luck!

Regards,
Vali

[StuartR]

You got it wrong. I didn't say bring Genos back to version 1.41 

I said he was installing an old Pack that used to be in Genos. So he can see the proper layout of the LSB

I'm sorry guys.  I know you're trying to help but your meaning is getting lost somewhat in the translator you're using. The English output isn't making sense (to me).

[StuartR]

You got me wrong too... )))

I said to install 1.41 because I think that some of the voices he had are incompatible with this new version, probably. That's why I said to revert to old version!

No - some of the missing voices are Genos preset ones!

[ckobu]

I'm sorry guys.  I know you're trying to help but your meaning is getting lost somewhat in the translator you're using. The English output isn't making sense (to me).

Good luck

[frozzers]

I had a few registrations with 'blank' voices after the update too.

The solution was simple for me. I loaded each one into Murray Best's Yamaha Registration Manager  which then revealed the name of the missing voice. In each case, it was a voice I had stored in my pre-update Expansion memory. The update broke the path to the voice. All I had to do was reload the voice again pointing to its new location - then store the new registration.

Murray's program should always be your first port of call if a registration 'misbehaves'.

Hopefully that helps!

Cheers

Chris

[valimaties]

I had a few registrations with 'blank' voices after the update too.

The solution was simple for me. I loaded each one into Murray Best's Yamaha Registration Manager  which then revealed the name of the missing voice. In each case, it was a voice I had stored in my pre-update Expansion memory. The update broke the path to the voice. All I had to do was reload the voice again pointing to its new location - then store the new registration.

Murray's program should always be your first port of call if a registration 'misbehaves'.

Hopefully that helps!

Cheers

Chris

Sorry, what means pre-update Expansion memory? 

[frozzers]

The Expansion Memory before the update.

After the v2.0 update and updating YEM to 2.60 and then reinstalling my expansion packs, all my expansion voices needed to be reloaded into my registrations as the previous paths were no longer valid.

Cheers

Chris

[jwyvern]

Murrays program can also identify the voice nos used in the registrations so in the case of expansion voices it can be quicker (depending on how much work is involved) to change relevant pack lsb's in YEM compared with reregistering individual voices.
(As an aside it might sometimes be convenient if we could actually edit the voice nos directly in registrations.......  The last time I looked at Murrays prog this was not possible. Does Mixmaster allow this?).

John

[valimaties]

.... as the previous paths were no longer valid.

Hi.

ONLY installing YEM will NOT change the LSB of the packs.
The "path" in keyboard consist of three numbers "MSB - LSB - PC". MSB is fixed for all voices and drums in YEM, it cannot be changed. You can change only the position of a pack in YEM (LSB - from 0 to 127) or of voices (PC - for non CPF packs, from 1 to 128). These two numbers can affect the registrations, if YOU change them. YEM will never change them by itself, it has to be user's intervention.

If you follow the procedure of installing YEM, as they describe on Downloading page, your content will not be deleted, and, in fact all "paths" remains as in 2.5.3, or old versions.

Personally, I did not encountered any problem of missing voices or something like that!

Regards,
Vali

[StuartR]

I had a few registrations with 'blank' voices after the update too.

The solution was simple for me. I loaded each one into Murray Best's Yamaha Registration Manager  which then revealed the name of the missing voice. In each case, it was a voice I had stored in my pre-update Expansion memory. The update broke the path to the voice. All I had to do was reload the voice again pointing to its new location - then store the new registration.

Murray's program should always be your first port of call if a registration 'misbehaves'.

Hopefully that helps!

Cheers

Chris

Thank you Chris!  I have used that tool before and forgotten how useful it could be in cases such as this. Many thanks!

[StuartR]

Hi.

ONLY installing YEM will NOT change the LSB of the packs.
The "path" in keyboard consist of three numbers "MSB - LSB - PC". MSB is fixed for all voices and drums in YEM, it cannot be changed. You can change only the position of a pack in YEM (LSB - from 0 to 127) or of voices (PC - for non CPF packs, from 1 to 128). These two numbers can affect the registrations, if YOU change them. YEM will never change them by itself, it has to be user's intervention.

If you follow the procedure of installing YEM, as they describe on Downloading page, your content will not be deleted, and, in fact all "paths" remains as in 2.5.3, or old versions.

Personally, I did not encountered any problem of missing voices or something like that!

Regards,
Vali

I did follow the correct procedure to install the latest version of YEM and once installed all the packs were there and in the same order as before. While I'm happy yours were unaffected,  mine were and apparently I'm not alone. I wil note that I'm using a lot of Yamaha and third- party packs that now completely fill the 3072MB of available memory in 2.0.

[Toril S]

This just prove how complicated all this is. I have fallen of the wagon and hit my head on YEM!😀 Do we really have to be data engineers to play our keyboards? Scares the living daylight out of me!

[Dnj]

I agree I hope Yamaha can simplify the process for all....took me 5 hrs to get it right on my Genos...
with great help here on the forum all is well...

[StuartR]

The Expansion Memory before the update.

After the v2.0 update and updating YEM to 2.60 and then reinstalling my expansion packs, all my expansion voices needed to be reloaded into my registrations as the previous paths were no longer valid.

Cheers

Chris

I just finished using Murray's tool to fix all the Expansion voices that were lost due to the 2.0 update. Additionally I found 8 registrations of mine that wouldn't work in his program and I've sent those to him for analysis.

[Lyndyloo]

This just prove how complicated all this is. I have fallen of the wagon and hit my head on YEM!😀 Do we really have to be data engineers to play our keyboards? Scares the living daylight out of me!

        I totally  agree with you, just gets so confusing, to be honest I shall stick with what I already have on there for the time being, hard enough  getting used to a new keyboard,  let alone more technical  worries

               Lynda