EQ-GOLD for the SX900

[ton37]

Hello, I was playing around with the EQ / Compressor and remembered that there was a good EQ setting for the Genos. In another Genos-post it was just mentioned. It was called the EQ-GOLD.
I tried it with the SX900 and yes, it also sounds fantastic!!.I play through the SX's own speakers.
Give it a try if you whish:The URL for the EQ setting of the Genos is:

https://www.soundpacks.co.uk/blogs/news/eq-settings-for-genos

A brief explanation: you can press the green HZ box under Frequency. Choose the same Hertz as in the example.Save this under USER1 and give it the name EQ-GOLD for example.
Pls. let us know what you think ... but ....  so many people so many tastes

To be complete:
Downunder you will find another EQ-setting for the SX900 from member @Robinez (see post below)
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52172.msg408491.html#msg408491

Happy EQ-ing

[rikkisbears]

Thank you Ton, I'll give it a try.

[Telmo]

Hello, I was playing around with the EQ / Compressor and remembered that there was a good EQ setting for the Genos. In another Genos-post it was just mentioned. It was called the EQ-GOLD.
I tried it with the SX900 and yes, it also sounds fantastic!!.I play through the SX's own speakers.
Give it a try if you whish:The URL for the EQ setting of the Genos is:

https://www.soundpacks.co.uk/blogs/news/eq-settings-for-genos

A brief explanation: you can press the green HZ box under Frequency. Choose the same Hertz as in the example.Save this under USER1 and give it the name EQ-GOLD for example.
Pls. let us know what you think ... but ....  so many people so many tastes
Happy EQ-ing

Thanks, I'll also give it a try.

[Dnj]

Excellent starting point Thank you

[rgw]

Could be useful Ton, thank you.

Richard.

[Telmo]

I've just given a try and I liked it, although I just changed a little bit the 2 gains highs and lows, so that got perfect for my portable PA System, which is the JBL Eon One. Thanks again.

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[ton37]

Thank for your reply, Telmo. Nice to read that it can be quite flexible to be able to use the MasterEQ effectively to your own taste and use. Since there are multiple user memories, you can choose to create multiple Master EQs. For example, for recordings you give them the name Recording-EQ. If you play via your PA, you create a separate User memory, such as PA-EQ. I sometimes play through the mixer and made a masterEQ: Mixer-EQ. Etc. etc.

[rikkisbears]

Thank you Ton and Telmo, what a difference it makes to the sound via the onboard speakers.
I've never been any good at these type of settings, so greatly appreciated.

[AndyMark]

Hello! I am in this forum for the first time, but I often browse it, especially for the new PSR-SX900, which I intend to buy as an additional keyboard. The "EQ-GOLD" setting, which indicated "ton37", was applied to my PSR-S975, which sounded very good on the internal speakers and in the headphones. The sound of the instrument has become clearer and the bass is fuller.
When I play on external active M-Audio loudspeakers connected via my large Subwoofer (in the "Frequency" range from 0 to 200 Hz), I need to significantly reduce the "Gain" value for 32 Hz (eg Gain = 0 dB). I also reduce the "Frequency" in the second column of the setting table from 315 Hz to 200 Hz, according to the subwoofer range.
I understand that "rikkisbears", "Telmo", "Dnj", "rgw" rated the "EQ-GOLD" setting positively. I am still adjusting the settings that "Telmo" gave to my external speakers. Thank you.
I am also curious about the opinions of other forum members about this EQ setting.

I am puzzled, however, by the "Frequency" 400 Hz value in the seventh column of the settings table (penultimate). The "Frequency" values ​​gradually increase in subsequent columns (from 1 to 6), while the value in the seventh column of the settings table does not fall between 3.6 kHz and 4.0 kHz and is strangely low (400 Hz). I don't know enough about sound engineering, but I'd love to get an explanation of this phenomenon.

Greetings from Poland
Andy (Andrzej)

[Dnj]

Personally at this time I won't have a SX900 till tomorrow,...Global EQ of any type should always be a personal thing adjusted by the "players ears" only to achieve the best sound for them and their music & YOUR speakers systems for a general sound. That said EACH style part must be adjusted for each song to get the best sound you need.....if you use your ears you will be surprised at the results.....no EQ is written in stone.

good luck

[Telmo]

Hello! I am in this forum for the first time, but I often browse it, especially for the new PSR-SX900, which I intend to buy as an additional keyboard. The "EQ-GOLD" setting, which indicated "ton37", was applied to my PSR-S975, which sounded very good on the internal speakers and in the headphones. The sound of the instrument has become clearer and the bass is fuller.
When I play on external active M-Audio loudspeakers connected via my large Subwoofer (in the "Frequency" range from 0 to 200 Hz), I need to significantly reduce the "Gain" value for 32 Hz (eg Gain = 0 dB). I also reduce the "Frequency" in the second column of the setting table from 315 Hz to 200 Hz, according to the subwoofer range.
I understand that "rikkisbears", "Telmo", "Dnj", "rgw" rated the "EQ-GOLD" setting positively. I am still adjusting the settings that "Telmo" gave to my external speakers. Thank you.
I am also curious about the opinions of other forum members about this EQ setting.

I am puzzled, however, by the "Frequency" 400 Hz value in the seventh column of the settings table (penultimate). The "Frequency" values ​​gradually increase in subsequent columns (from 1 to 6), while the value in the seventh column of the settings table does not fall between 3.6 kHz and 4.0 kHz and is strangely low (400 Hz). I don't know enough about sound engineering, but I'd love to get an explanation of this phenomenon.

Greetings from Poland
Andy (Andrzej)

Andy, I'm also considering other choices. I've just read about a musician experience with other settings which I also will try to see how it goes. Check the image.

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[Telmo]

Well, I must admit. I got a warmer sound with Lee's Settings.

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[rikkisbears]

Thank you , another setting to try. Appreciate it. The first couple made a big difference, so be interesting how this one goes.
I've never really understood eq settings ie what to boost , what to turn down,  don't have the ear for it, but I can hear the difference at the end.

So thank you.

[rikkisbears]

Wow, that is fascinating. Been going thru a bunch of old psr 2000/2100 styles, almost unusable sort of grate on the ears, they sound harsh. Got even worse with some of the above settings, Lee's was the warmest of the 3. So out of interest I tried Mellow setting, those really harsh drum sounds are almost useable. Had the same problem with some of the Genos styles, I was given, thought they may have been altered in some way, but a different eq setting really helped.
Thanks guys for bringing the subject up, been super helpful.

[ton37]

Personally at this time I won't have a SX900 till tomorrow,...Global EQ of any type should always be a personal thing adjusted by the "players ears" only to achieve the best sound for them and their music & YOUR speakers systems for a general sound. That said EACH style part must be adjusted for each song to get the best sound you need.....if you use your ears you will be surprised at the results.....no EQ is written in stone.

good luck

+1
Besides that: it is a good thing that one is aware of the fact that eq and compression could have a great impact on the overall or particular sounds wehnever you use this feature

[robinez]

My opinion is that boosting all kind of bands isn't a real solution for a better sound. Those kind of eq settings are set by most people because people's perception is that a louder signal is a better signal.

So boosting EQ values with very large values may seem better but actually it makes the sound worse, due to the fact that the headroom of the signal will be filled completely with unwanted signals. For instance a 10 db boost on 32hz is not a really good solution, most speakers aren't capable of playing signals below 30hz (unless you are using subwoofers), so in that case you destroy a lot of your headroom by boosting signals which you can't even hear. The end result will be that your total sound signature will be a muddy mess. By cutting sounds below 30 hz you will create headroom for the other frequencies that you can hear, which will result in a much more detailed bass presence for instance.

I analysed the output of the Genos in my studio, i saw that the flat EQ response had two problem area's ,one area lies below 32hz and one problem is a small default EQ boost on 480 hz. I've solved that in the settings in my screenshot below. It creates a different sound then you would normally have but in my opinion it gives you a more transparant and more detailed sound to start with.

I totally agree with the previous posters that everyone should modify the start settings to their own liking, but really, only boosting all kind of EQ bands isn't a real good solution. So depending on your speaker setup you can do all kind of tweaks,but try not to only boost area's but also try to cut some area's to keep the headroom to an acceptable level and just increate the volume of he sound instead of increasing the volume by boosting till 10 db of bands.

Here are my settings, maybe someone can use those as a starting point, but if you are happy with the EQ gold settings, then of course keep those.


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[Telmo]

Thank you Robinez for providing your settings so that we can try. I'll will experiment with your settings to see how it sounds. Best regards.

[ton37]

Thank you Robinez for your clear explanation. I will certainly going to add your settings on a usermemory to try them out on my sx900.

[Dnj]

robbinez very nice EQ settings on my sx900...much cleaner and bright then EQ giold
thank you

[Telmo]

robbinez very nice EQ settings on my sx900...much cleaner and bright then EQ giold
thank you

I felt the same. This setting is one of the best so far. Well done.

[ton37]

I have tried them also and the EQ of Robinez are my favorite, (playing directly throught the SX-speakers) As said: much clearer and well balanced sound. thanks again @Robinez!

[panos]

Don't forget to experiment with the equalizer settings.
I totally agree with Dnj and Robinez although I am just an amateur player
(I have worked as a DJ on my youth so I faced the same problems with the hall,the speakers,different quality of Vinyl Disks or CD's,or your ears after a couple of hours of loud music don't hear properly no more so you have to trust what you see in the mixing console and don't over do it with the frequencies and sound etc)

You can save the one EQ setting that you feel is nice and then mess around with minor adjustments of this EQ setting with different styles and different sounds and different octaves on your keyboard and hear if something might sound a little better.

I read a lot on the forum about annoying and loud "hi hat" and "cymbal" sounds on the forum on preset styles and people are wondering why the heck did Yamaha put those sounds in a nice style.
My opinion is that the Treble EQ settings(those on the right) on your keyboard is just too high, making these sounds just intolerable.
Or If you already have a  a woofer there is no need to boost the bass frequencies from your keyboard's EQ.Is is not logical at all.Let the woofer do it's job.

Therε is no such thing as a perfect EQ for all circumstances.
The ideal would be for every song you are playing to have a third hand to adjust the EQ settings all the time.
Every song style/midi/mp3 has it's own frequencies.

So we have just to compromise with what it sounds relativity better and not perfect.

[AndyMark]

Thank you "Telmo". Thank you "robinez". Thank you "panos". Thank you all for interesting statements. I don't trust my old ears a bit. I would like the instrument to sound good also to others who listen to it. For lack of knowledge and experience, I try to use some tested sound pattern. I got encouragement from you to get to know the subject a little and to experiment and try.
"Telmo" - I have to admit that Lee's settings are more convincing.
"robinez" - your settings are interesting (I will check them) - I have a subwoofer with a range of 20Hz - 200Hz and I set "Gain" well below zero (-dB), I want to fit it well into the entire bouquet of sounds.

Sorry for my English.
My best regards,
Andy (Andrzej)

[rikkisbears]

Thanks guys this has been so helpful. Next I will try Robinez.  settings.

[rikkisbears]

Here are my settings

Hi Robinez, the settings further  to the right, should they be the same as for the Flat eq setting?

[robinez]

Hi Robinez, the settings further  to the right, should they be the same as for the Flat eq setting?

If you watch the picture on a tablet you can scroll the picture by holding it and dragging it to see all the settings. All the settings are in the picture

[rikkisbears]

Hi Robinez,
Thank you, slightly embarrassed, I didn't spot that.
Thank you for settings and the post. Very helpful.

[robinez]

...
Therε is no such thing as a perfect EQ for all circumstances.
The ideal would be for every song you are playing to have a third hand to adjust the EQ settings all the time.
Every song style/midi/mp3 has it's own frequencies.
...

yes, i agree.

The Master EQ is a setting that colors the sound output of the genos / sx900 to your liking. It's a general setting that can be applied to anything to adjust the sound for your specific monitor setup / room acoustics. Of course for every style you should do minor EQ adjustments in the style itself, based on the selection of sounds and volume levels of each element to avoid things like for instance masking (masking can happen when two sound sources have energy in similar frequency ranges). But to be honest i think this is more an area for sound designers / mixing and mastering engineers.

In my opinion it's not needed to adjust EQ settings constantly during the song, you can take the loudest part of your song and set the EQ / volume levels for that specific part and it will sound good for the rest of your song. If you have the luxury of a studio with the correct tools you can indeed take it a step further and apply techniques like for instance Dynamic EQ which modifies it constantly.

Good to read that a few people here can use the EQ settings from my picture as a starting point

[rmuzic]

S770

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[rikkisbears]

Thank you rmuzic.