A new arranger to order but ... which one ?

[valimaties]

I owned Tyros 2 (I don't mention before, because all those keyboards before does not had sampling)...
I bought a Tyros 2 after I hear the sound of our country music sampled in it... Amazing sound! I did not to much in details when I bought it, because I loved the sound. So I have sold my car and did it. After some time spent on it I realize that Style Creator is very poor and I cannot make things I did on Korg. At that time I did not knew about this site, and I did not knew about those 8 hidden channels. So I was very disappointed about that limitation . After a couple of months I heard from a friend about some software which can help me create styles with multiple chord variation on the same variation using those hidden channels and I start using it and I made some very good styles at that moment. But after a couple of months Korg released PA2X, and I heard it at a gig and I told myself I have to change my keyboard and I did it. A little bit of fear a time, because I was not taught with all those functions and parameters, a lot of them, comparing with my T2. Indeed, sound was not as my Tyros 2, it was more poor and "flat", but I found that people who listen appreciate more that Korg sound. After some problems with my PA2X (the keyboard continuously blocking when tried to play some mp3 files or load some text files - I found later it was a bug which Korg repaired couple of months after I sold it), I made a switch with a new PA3X. New functions, new FX-es, new inserts, new Guitar Mode in Style Recorder, indeed a new keyboard And I sang some time with PA3X, a very good keyboard. Tyros 5 was released and after I heard the demos of Martin Harris, I was in loved by that new sound! And I did not stay to much with PA3X and switch again to my first love, Yamaha.But this time I new I have to beat my head against that Style Creator, which was not so much improved from Tyros 2 to T 5. So, now I have to start from scratch and to made all my gig songs's styles... I had about 4 months to complete all the work, and I did it. This time, the release of Korg PA4X was not so much important to me, because I work so hard to made my styles on T5 and I thought it's time to stop changing the keyboards. I heard about all new Korg's functions and really I was bummed a little...
I expect from Yamaha to a new look and new functions.. and they give us Genos. It was like a Tyros 6 to me, not another keyboard, with only new Live Controllers and assignable Sliders... Sincerely, the important functions are the same: Style Creator is the same, Song player is the same (maybe poor a little, IMO), MF replaced by Playlist, 8 to 10 registrations, black, with 76 keys and shorter than T5 76. BUT.. the GREAT improvement they did and really which was the best thing was "Touch Screen" and for a short period of time also the insertion of effects which it happening to be useful, because you cannot save them into registration with modified parameters. That is my POV. I really go forward with Yamaha because I like the sound, but the functionality, is very poor, IMO. Korg is the best when come to modify and save the parameters, creating styles, voice harmony, Voice editing... That keyboard is really an AIO (All In One) in the world of keyboards. For someone which have time to spent to make sampling is very useful, or to buy Dynamix Audio sample packs, which btw are very good samples.

Finally, I deal with Genos as it is, working with workarounds, working with other software on PC to make the job completely, hoping another update will solve some negate bugs, hoping they will awake and they will make this Genos an AIO keyboard - software, because hardware exists

Your "job" clarifies a lot of things, and I recommend Genos, not Korg. You need sound, you don't need sound and functions


Edited: (because I read your last post )
Korg's interface is very ugly It is very poor, icons are very poor and elementary, indeed, is not so user friendly as Genos is... But for someone who need professional editing tools, you don't find them on Yamaha, till now. Korg has almost all parameters editable and writable in realtime, even if you sing something!
The keys are also very different... Test each one, but I think you will be 80% for Genos, for some reasons

Regards,
Vali

[terryB]

That's a great post Vali
Cheers
Terry

[EB5AGV]

Please, sincerely, don't buy a Genos. Look elsewhere, it makes no sense for you to get into that nightmare.

[EileenL]

What nightmare is that then. Do you own a Genos do you know how good it is.

[EB5AGV]

What nightmare is that then. Do you own a Genos do you know how good it is.

Yes, Eileen, I do have a Genos for a year or so and I love it  . But Babette, on the other hand, is always questioning it. Every and all threads with any Genos complain have her commenting, in usually a condescending tone, as if Genos owners were poor people who didn't know better. So I think it is NOT the arranger she needs / wants / deserves.

Of course, it is just my opinion based on her interactions with this nice Forum. I may be completely wrong.

Jose

[beykock]

Hi Jose :

I think you are jumping to the wrong conclusion.
You are right : I am a critical buyer but also a Yamaha freak.

Based on the Genos comments, complaints and observations of members, I was confused.
Up to now I have still question marks.

As of tomorrow I will do my own research together with my dealer.
I will no longer bother you and/or other members.
I will go my own way.
I will take all the time I need to make a final decision.
If I am not convinced I will not sell my TY5/76.

For your information : I am playing Yamaha arrangers since 2001 and I have always been a dedicated follower of Yami's.
Amen.

Take care,

Babette

[EB5AGV]

I will take all the time I need to make a final decision.

That is a the right thing to do, good luck! 

And sorry if I sounded a bit harsh, no offense intended 

Jose

[KeyboardByBiggs]

Based on the Genos comments, complaints and observations of members, I was confused.
Up to now I have still question marks.

The complication with your situation Babette is you don't also belong to a forum where everyone loves their Genos and has no issues with it and are constantly posting how much they love it, and why. You're watching a mostly one-sided, and therefore negatively weighted stream of information.

It's just human nature. The negative comments are almost always the loudest and most prominent. You rarely hear the positives from more than a small group.

I deal this with this daily in my business, which is as a consultant to businesses trying to build their review profiles online. Getting happy customers to speak up is the toughest job of all for all my clients. It requires a lot of proactive effort. The customer with a negative experience needs no such prodding to start spreading their disappointment far and wide with vigor.

[Roland]

Hello Babette,

Your choice could also be driven by the music style you like, to some extent. For instance: For folks who like EDM and do some DJ type gigging, the Genos is more up-to-date in that genre vs. the earlier Tyros models. I was never a big fan of EDM, but I caught myself playing around with some of the new sounds and must admit I had a really great time with it. Not that it will change my taste for particular genres, but it got me to re-think my negative view of EDM and I found ways to integrate it into my own repertoire.

I know of folks who gig and feel that the Tyros 5 is better for that because there are more buttons that can get you from A to B much faster. That could be true in situations where the audience is requesting things that you have not prepared for. But with a bit of preparation and some practice, I bet that the Genos is an equal partner.

But without knowing what genres you like and what your audience is usually expecting from you, it is difficult to offer meaningful guidance. All I could recommend is to sit down and play a Genos for a while, discover some of the new features and sounds and then do the same with a Korg. I am pretty certain that after that, you will know where your heart belongs :-)

Hope that helps. Cheers, Roland

[mikf]

Exactly. There have been some bugs and glitches with Genos but I don't believe this should play much part in your decision. They obviously bug a few players a lot, but most users have not even noticed many of them. And many are now addressed anyway. And like Biggs says, people who are happy don't post this day after day.
Your decision between the two contenders should be based only on which works best for you after trying them, not what people post.  I also think you should realize that as a home player, apart from the novelty and kudos of owning the latest, you are unlikely to get much more from either compared to a T5.
Mike

[beykock]

Thank you all, Guys, for your input.👍

I do not want to bother you with my personal concerns any longer.
I have to solve them myself.
See my conversation with Jose.

Herewith I would like to end this subject.🎹

Best regards, Babette

[valimaties]

Please, sincerely, don't buy a Genos. Look elsewhere, it makes no sense for you to get into that nightmare.

You make fun of us?!   

I may be completely wrong.

Yes, you are!

If you look better, complaints does not coming from beginners ! A big full stop