Is there an app for iPad to select voices?

[gerarde]

I have an iPad.
I have used it with Songbook+ and connected wireless with my Genos.
I am now using a Surface Pro running Mobilesheets Pro because I needed a larger screen.
It made me think, if I can connect my iPad with my Genos running wireless, maybe there is an app that will let me select voices on the Genos.
I saw how Vconsole can do that which got me to think of this.
But, I do not have about $550 for Vconsole just to select voices, and hope that there might be an iPad app that will do it.

Gerard

[Pino]

Take a look at 'One Man Band' from Jos Maas

Pino

[gerarde]

Pino,

Thanks for the info but, I do not think you can connect using wireless and I do not think you can select voices from Genos.

Gerard

[Bachus]

I have an iPad.
I have used it with Songbook+ and connected wireless with my Genos.
I am now using a Surface Pro running Mobilesheets Pro because I needed a larger screen.
It made me think, if I can connect my iPad with my Genos running wireless, maybe there is an app that will let me select voices on the Genos.
I saw how Vconsole can do that which got me to think of this.
But, I do not have about $550 for Vconsole just to select voices, and hope that there might be an iPad app that will do it.

Gerard

There are apps that can do just that for you...
But all way less fluent and take much more work to get working then v-console

Have a look at audiobus3 with added midiflow
Or even better.. the brand new "keystage" and "camelot pro" apps
They allow you to set up your ipad to do exactly what v-console does
But require some time..


If you are looking for the easiest setup..
Go for keystage..
Make a standard midi routing..
And then in the genos use empty songs with just sounds set for the voices

[gerarde]

Bachus,

Thank you very much.
I will check those out.
What I want to do is on the fly, select some voices other than the ones I have in my registrations.
In Vconsole, there is a palette, so to speak of favorite voices, that you can quickly change to.

Gerard

[zionip]

What I want to do is on the fly, select some voices other than the ones I have in my registrations.
In Vconsole, there is a palette, so to speak of favorite voices, that you can quickly change to.

Hi Gerard,

V-Console for Genos is currently the only available app (on Windows, not iOS) for what you described.  You will need another Windows 10 tablet / touchscreen laptop to run V-Console since you are using your Surface Pro for MobileSheets Pro. 

I use iPad Pro 12.9 with Songbook+ for PDF music score viewing, Surface Pro 6 for V-Console, an old iPad 3 running 'Kronos Remote' app to control programs on Kronos 2 88-key (my lower keyboard for V-Console) when I want to mix sounds from Kronos with Genos.

£399 (US$508) is quite expensive for controlling Genos only.  When you use this software for Genos as the upper keyboard, with the lower keyboard of your choice, and a MIDI bass pedal as a Genos sound based home organ, then the price is perceived as more reasonable.

Paul

[Bachus]

Bachus,

Thank you very much.
I will check those out.
What I want to do is on the fly, select some voices other than the ones I have in my registrations.
In Vconsole, there is a palette, so to speak of favorite voices, that you can quickly change to.

Gerard

If i get my Genos Later this month, i will be sure to make a tutorial for this...
If it works the way it is supposed to work..

Start with this video..
https://youtu.be/AiXAlfMGnro

[KeyboardByBiggs]

If i get my Genos Later this month, i will be sure to make a tutorial for this...
If it works the way it is supposed to work..

Start with this video..
https://youtu.be/AiXAlfMGnro

Well, that looks pretty cool! And only $20US!

[zionip]

I watched the KeyStage tutorial videos and found that this $20 master controller application is capable of achieving what Gerard wants, with quite some efforts though.  This app, together with another iOS app "MIDIFlow", can address multiple iOS software synth apps simultaneously, besides hardware arranger like Genos.  KeyStage supports USB, MIDI, and Bluetooth connections.  The developer also provides a demo version called "KeyStage Lite" with limitations for you to try before buying the full version.

KeyStage Tutorial 1: Basics (Bachus already posted this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiXAlfMGnro

KeyStage Tutorial 2: Instrument Presets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMK0A3kuC9w

Cubase patch for Genos (for creation of patches for Genos as an instrument in KeyStage, saves a lot of time)
https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/1222927/Cubase_Patch_for_Genos.zip

You can unzip the Cubase_Patch_for_Genos.zip and store the "Yamaha Genos.txt" file at DropBox since KeyStage can open files from DropBox when creating a new instrument.  By the way, I found that I had to convert the "Yamaha Genos.txt" file from UNIX/Linux text format to Windows text format (extra line break per line) before KeyStage accepts it as valid Cubase patch script file and created a new instrument called "Yamaha Genos".  I attached the converted "Yamaha Genos.txt" file in this post for your convenience.

I was able to export the following Cubase patch script file for Roland Integra 7 to KeyStage to create an instrument "Roland Integra 7 Full":
https://github.com/odashi/integra7-cubase/blob/master/roland-integra-7-full.txt

KeyStage Tutorial 3: AUM Integration and Custom Preset (and a song walkthrough)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS8RPGWmWh4

Since KeyStage can store effects / parameters of its instruments, this app could be a solution of storing multiple DSPs for Genos.  Currently I have not tested this yet, but it looks promising.

Thanks,
Paul



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[Bachus]

I watched the KeyStage tutorial videos and found that this $20 master controller application is capable of achieving what Gerard wants, with quite some efforts though.  This app, together with another iOS app "MIDIFlow", can address multiple iOS software synth apps simultaneously, besides hardware arranger like Genos.  KeyStage supports USB, MIDI, and Bluetooth connections.  The developer also provides a demo version called "KeyStage Lite" with limitations for you to try before buying the full version.

KeyStage Tutorial 1: Basics (Bachus already posted this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiXAlfMGnro

KeyStage Tutorial 2: Instrument Presets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMK0A3kuC9w

Cubase patch for Genos (for creation of patches for Genos as an instrument in KeyStage, saves a lot of time)
https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/1222927/Cubase_Patch_for_Genos.zip

You can unzip the Cubase_Patch_for_Genos.zip and store the "Yamaha Genos.txt" file at DropBox since KeyStage can open files from DropBox when creating a new instrument.

KeyStage Tutorial 3: AUM Integration and Custom Preset (and a song walkthrough)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS8RPGWmWh4

Since KeyStage can store effects / parameters of its instruments, this app could be a solution of storing multiple DSPs for Genos.  Currently I have not tested this yet, but it looks promising.

Thanks,
Paul

thank you Paul for confirming what i said..
i will be testing this out myself soon..

with some luck i will have the Genos later this week

[zionip]

Hi Bachus,

Good luck in your purchase of Genos.  For the damaged Genos (dropped on stage) that you mentioned in Synthzone, I would recommend you not buying it because 25% discount is not enough to offset the depreciated value, with potential problems in the future.

Thanks,
Paul

[gerarde]

Paul,

Thanks for the text file.
I lost my Camera connection adapter so I am buying another.
It will be a week before I can try it.
I have a Roland UM-ONE usb to MIDI adapter and hope this works.
My goal is to fill the page in KeyStage with "PARTS", each one calling up a different voice in Genos.
And I think I can rename "PARTS" to be the name of the voice.

Gerard

[zionip]

Hi Gerard,

You do not need to use the Roland UM-ONE USB-to-MIDI adapter in your case.

Once you get your Apple camera connection kit (buy the USB3.0 one with a USB port and lightning port for charging while connected), your iPad should be connected to a USB 2.0/3.0 hub, and your Genos is also connected to the USB hub through its To-Host USB port at its back with a USB printer cable.  Then the iPad and Genos talk through USB, so there is no need for USB-to-MIDI adapter.

Another more convenient choice is to plug a Yamaha MD-BT01 bluetooth wireless MIDI adapter to Genos MIDI A in and out ports to allow iPad MIDI connection through bluetooth.  Then you do not even need the Apple camera connection kit, USB hub, and all the USB cables.

Thanks,
Paul

[gerarde]

Hi Paul,

I am using the port on my Genos for Mobilesheets Pro and I already have the Roland UM-ONE.
That is why I am getting the Camera connection kit.

Regards,
Gerard

[jimlaing]

Hi - one method to somewhat indirectly do this, is using wireless MIDI (readily available) and using an app (unrealBook in my case) to call up (select) Registrations on the Genos.  All done wirelessly if you have the wireless MIDI gadget (Yamaha makes one, there is also the mi.1 connect
https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-MIDI-Interface-mi-1-Rev-3/dp/B01D61QK6W

You can have the unrealBook app, when a file or song (PDF) is selected, send any MIDI command; for me, I send the commands to the Genos (Tyros in past) which causes Genos to automatically load whatever Registration you want.  You could send nearly any MIDI command you need or want.

I believe Songbook and other apps can do this too ...

Separately, you can select individual Voices too, using any MIDI app that can send MSB/LSB/PC commands (or a hardware device such as a MIDI Controller that can sent MSB/LSB/PC.  Keep in mind that when you use MSB/LSB/PC to select a Voice, you do NOT get the custom settings for that voice (Effects etc.), just the voice. (I know as I've done this using an M-Audio Code49 MIDI controller).

Jim

[zionip]

Hi Paul,

I am using the port on my Genos for Mobilesheets Pro and I already have the Roland UM-ONE.
That is why I am getting the Camera connection kit.

Regards,
Gerard

Gerard,

How do you use your Roland UM-ONE to connect Genos to your iPad?

Roland UM-ONE is supposed to connect to your PC / Mac through USB port to give your PC / Mac one MIDI in and one MIDI out.  I also own a Roland UM-ONE mark 2 (used with V-Console) and am sure it is supported on PC and Mac, but not iOS.

Paul

[gerarde]

Paul,

I didn't know the Roland doesn't connect with iPad.
I guess I will have to get the Yamaha Bluetooth MD BT-01.

Gerard

[zionip]

Gerard,

Your choice of getting the Yamaha MD BT-01 bluetooth wireless MIDI adapter is the most efficient resolution for your current and future Genos setup.

I actually used Yamaha MD BT-01 on almost all of my MIDI keyboards / modules such as Kronos 2, and Roland Integra-7 with success, and some quirks of data synchronization.

The most reliable Genos to iPad connection is through USB via the Apple camera connection kit though.  I had to use this method to synchronize Kronos 2 and the Kronos Remote app on iPad Pro because data synchronization does not work via bluetooth MIDI connection.

Paul

[gerarde]

Paul,

I am ordering the MD BT-01.
When I set it up to work with KeyStage, do i Set the Genos to RECEIVE and TRANSMIT on channel 1 for RIGHT 1?
Then in Key Stage I just send the PC, MSB, LSB?

Gerard

[whataguy]

HI - Sorry for being a bit off topic but you guys seem to be the smartest around and I'm hoping y'all can tell me if anything is in the works for using Genos with the android platform. Thank you in advance . . . Don in MI

[Al Ram]

Hi - one method to somewhat indirectly do this, is using wireless MIDI (readily available) and using an app (unrealBook in my case) to call up (select) Registrations on the Genos.  All done wirelessly if you have the wireless MIDI gadget (Yamaha makes one, there is also the mi.1 connect
https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-MIDI-Interface-mi-1-Rev-3/dp/B01D61QK6W

You can have the unrealBook app, when a file or song (PDF) is selected, send any MIDI command; for me, I send the commands to the Genos (Tyros in past) which causes Genos to automatically load whatever Registration you want.  You could send nearly any MIDI command you need or want.

I believe Songbook and other apps can do this too ...

Separately, you can select individual Voices too, using any MIDI app that can send MSB/LSB/PC commands (or a hardware device such as a MIDI Controller that can sent MSB/LSB/PC.  Keep in mind that when you use MSB/LSB/PC to select a Voice, you do NOT get the custom settings for that voice (Effects etc.), just the voice. (I know as I've done this using an M-Audio Code49 MIDI controller).

Jim

I can confirm that the app SongBook+ can do what is described above (ie. select a PDF on the iPad and automatically bring up the corresponding Genos registration, it works the other way around too).

One additional note . . . both wireless midi devices Yamaha MD BT01 and mi.1 work perfect with Genos.  I initially had the Yamaha MD BT01 but recently changed to the quicco mi.1 because of size. 

When packing the Genos in the travelling bag, the quicco mi.1 does not occupy additional space, whereas the Yamaha being larger in size did not fit in the bag as well.  Of course, you do not have to keep it in the Genos all the time but i noticed that keeping it in Genos is more efficient for me.

If i had to select again, i would go for the quicco mi.1

thanks

[gerarde]

I am going to buy the KeyStage app.
I think RIGHT 1,2,3 are all on different midi channels.
Does anyone know what midi channels they are?
I will mainly use the app for only RIGHT 1.

Gerard

[jimlaing]

If you go to Menus, then select the Midi menu page, then look at the MIDI send and receive sub-pages, the Genos will show you which MIDI channels are currently in use for each part (such as Right 1, Left, bass, etc.).  You can modify them if needed, or use the info when you set up KeyStage. . .

Jim

[gerarde]

Jim,

Thanks. I will probably set my RIGHT 1 to be Channel 1 on RECEIVE.
I might even toy around with having setups for RIGHT 2 and RIGHT 3, and set those channels to 2 and 3.
From the way the page looks in Keystage, I can have about 50 voices or so easily accessible by just pressing the correct button.
When I get everything done, I will take pictures to show those that might be interested.

Gerard

[jimlaing]

Hi - as a test, when you do this, try having the iPad "select" one of the distorted electric guitars.   See if the voice, when played, has the distortion on it. . . that will test what I was talking about in my note ... I'll be curious how it goes!

Jim

[pjd]

Does anyone know what midi channels they are?

Hi Gerard --

I thought there was an easy answer to your question until I looked at Yamaha's default MIDI port and channel assignments. They're asymmetric with respect to ports!

    Receive              Transmit
    -------------------  -------------------
    Port1 Ch1  Song      Right1   Port1 Ch1
    Port1 Ch2  Song      Right2   Port1 Ch2
    Port1 Ch3  Song      Right3   Port1 Ch3
    Port1 Ch4  Song      Left     Port1 Ch4
    Port1 Ch5  Song

    Port2 Ch1  Keyboard  Song Ch1 Port2 Ch1
    Port2 Ch2  Right1    Song Ch2 Port2 Ch2
    Port2 Ch3  Right2    Song Ch3 Port2 Ch3
    Port2 Ch4  Right3    Song Ch4 Port2 Ch4
    Port2 Ch5  Left      Song Ch5 Port2 Ch5

Screen shots are attached.

This asymmetric assignment of ports gives me a headache. Thank goodness for the MIDI monitor at the bottom of the screen.

If I were using the MD-BT01 (or even two 5-pin MIDI cables), I'd want all communications to be symmetric: on the same Port and on the same corresponding channels.

The KeyStage app looks very promising and I would like to use it myself. I downloaded the free version and further experiments are in order...

That "Keyboard" option is interesting. MIDI arriving on Port2 Ch1 is sent to all of RIGHT1, RIGHT2, RIGHT3, LEFT. You can turn the layers on and off using front panel part enable switches. It's possible to trigger all Genos part on a single MIDI channel. However, with Yamaha's default assignment, the channel numbers for corresponding parts don't match up directly.

Hope this helps -- pj


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[gerarde]

PJ,

You can change RECEIVE PORT 1 CH1 from SONG to RIGHT 1.
The PC, MSB, LSB will be sent from Keystage.
And I do not think I have to worry about TRANSMIT settings as I only want to receive voice changes from KeyStage.

Gerard

[pjd]

I just tried the free version of KeyStage using the default Genos MIDI channel settings.

The way the KeyStage user interface works, it may not be necessary to mess too much with the Genos MIDI channel settings. I configured KeyStage to send to Port2 Channel 2 and could send program change messages to RIGHT1. It's a little painful in the lite (free) version because one sends Bank Select MSB, LSB and Program Change numbers instead of a nice preset name.

Instead of the MD-BT01, I used an iRig 5-pin interface from iPad, plugging the MIDI IN/OUTs to the MIDI B jacks.

BTW, in this experiment, sending program change messages to Port2 Channel 1 -- the "keyboard" option -- Genos ignored program change. That's good because all parts would be set to the same instrument if it truly was treated as a single channel.

All in all, if someone has any interest, KeyStage Lite is a free download from the App Store. A cheap way to experiment and try before buy.

Hope this helps out -- pj

[pjd]

Hi Gerard --

Our postings crossed. 

Yep, those settings are tweakable. I had to mess with them when I tried getting Genos and MODX to talk. That was fun  because Yamaha did some weird stuff on MODX...

All in all, I think Key Stage should go smoothly for ya.

Take care -- pj

[gerarde]

pj,

Thank you for trying it out.
I think it looks like you can fill the middle section of KeyStage with a lot of voices.
That would be approximately 50 voices instantly on tap.
And It is on sale now in Apple store for $19.99 for those who want to buy it.

Gerard