Genos Test Number Three

[EileenL]

Using registrations from Tyros 4-5 sound much improved sound wise when loaded into Genos. It is a starting point for some and they can then add new voices or styles if they wish.

[jwyvern]

I had no problems with my Regs finding styles on Genos, most of which are Users.
Tyros5 registrations could not be used without modification mainly because the balances had to be changed by up to a third, otherwise many came out too loud and shrill.
Otherwise I have found they work reliably for their most straightforward uses--ie. for Tyros type operations.

There are problems which are associated with the newer capabilities of registrations on Genos related to retaining the details of DSP's. If 1 Dsp is in use on a right hand voice the details are remembered well enough, but there are  inconsistencies with LH voices. A single setting (not all) within a left voice DSP sometimes changes and completely spoils the sound, following a registration edit to one of the RH voices. If this would happen every time I would have already discussed this with Yamaha but it doesn't and is frustrating.
There is something generally wrong with firmware handling of effects on left voices since the assigned DSP will not save within a user voice (whereas it it does with RH voices) and the DSP type in the voice screen is not stable - turn it off and unlike the RH voices, it will show a different type, and you have to press the reg. Button again to reinstate the correct one.
You would expect registrations to be able to save details within System Dsp's. I have been editing a registration which uses a chorus Tremolo. Up to now no problem.
But this week when I modify it and memorise I find the  edited DSP details are no longer saved to the new reg. button (after many tries and checks etc.). They revert to the preset settings.
I could go on but I'm sure boredom has set in already 

John

[soryt]

If the goal is to load all old stuff as it was at discontinued models, why on earth do you change keyboards at all?   
To me the goal is to get the best possible out of G, not to make it sound and act like T4 or other T or PSR's.

I talk about new made registrations from scratch on the Genos , not T5 regs , I am not an idiot   

S,

[Pianoman]

Here is the same song, I chose piano because that is where I can hear differences best, played on Tyros and Genos.
Do you think a person in the audience can hear the difference ?

Cheers
Kaarlo

Hello Kaarlo.

First let me congratulate you on the excellent playing of both Alley Cat and the
Boogie styles.

I have downloaded both and have been listening for a couple of days now through
two very high quality sets of headphones, and even asked my wife to join me in
listening.


She is a trained classical Pianist, so I asked her to listen to the songs through both
sets of headphones , then asked if she noticed any difference between the two
versions. She noticed none.

Then i asked if she liked any particular version, without me
saying which keyboard was being played.

She actually liked the T5 versions better, both times.

I did notice a difference, just that, a difference.

That means that none of the keyboards sounded better than the other.
They were just slightly different,

Those in an audience who WANT to hear a difference, will swear by all that
they hold holy that they hear a difference.

Others will just concentrate keenly on the person doing the actual playing.
Trying to decided whether that person has what it takes.

Audiences today are very savvy, and you have to pound them with good playing
all night, before they finally admit that they are impressed.

Being able to play a simple song from beginning to end without mistakes will not
impress them.

They want to see you thrash the life out of the Piano or keyboard.
And if you can do that and sing as well, all the better.

They will quickly spot a button pusher, and once they do, you're cooked.
Nothing you will do for the rest of the evening, will change their minds.

They will not notice, or care, whether one keyboard sounds slightly better than the
other. It is the last thing on their minds.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[travlin-easy]

Abby, I agree 100 percent! And, because I am not a musician, but instead, just a hack entertainer, I can assure everyone that it's the person behind the keyboard that counts the most with every audience I performed in front of for more than 50 years. 20 years with a guitar and singing, and 30 years with an arranger keyboard and singing, then I retired. During that entire time, the compliments were always about my vocals - not how the keyboards or the guitars sounded, and I upgraded many times with both instruments.

All the best,

Gary

[Lee Batchelor]

All very true guys, but I have found over the years a superior sounding instrument makes me a better musician because it inspires me and encourages me to explore more musical avenues. By that logic, a better keyboard indirectly impresses the audience - they just aren't aware of it.

[mikf]

There are many ways to entertain. And many different kinds of successful entertainers. Abby has a rollicking, party style, and is really good at it. But not everyone has to thrash the life out of a keyboard. You might be providing mood music in a Four Seasons lounge, or accompanying a high quality jazz vocalist, or playing in a ceiledh band. You just need to be good at what you do if you want to make a decent living from playing. You can't buy that in a keyboard, but like Lee says you might feel better doing it if you are playing what you believe is a great instrument.
Mike

[arvacon]

Finally what happened with that store manager, did you managed to borrow the Genos for the weekend or you still waiting for him to come back from holidays?

By the way, I found this video on youtube, so I will leave it here. It seems there are several childhood illnesses yet with Genos, but the next firmware updates will solve them I guess, as it always happens. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sin4JYqtO5U

[Pianoman]

Finally what happened with that store manager, did you managed to borrow the Genos for the weekend or you still waiting for him to come back from holidays?

By the way, I found this video on youtube, so I will leave it here. It seems there are several childhood illnesses yet with Genos, but the next firmware updates will solve them I guess, as it always happens. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sin4JYqtO5U

Hello Arvacon.


He must be back by now. He had taken an Easter break.

I have been gigging intensively since the 22nd of March, and just did not have
the time right now to go into the city to see him.

Once I start my gigging cycle it becomes the only priority for me.

I was free yesterday, but had to go looking for a reasonably priced garage
to fix my power steering that has suddenly stopped working, and possibly
change the timing belt as well while at it.

It's a priority too, because if don't have a car I can't transport my gear.
I have a second car, but it's a small VW Polo that I use for small errands.

My next day off will be next Monday, I may be able to go see him then.
I can also call and ask, but these things are better done face-to-face.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Pianoman]

All very true guys, but I have found over the years a superior sounding instrument makes me a better musician because it inspires me and encourages me to explore more musical avenues. By that logic, a better keyboard indirectly impresses the audience - they just aren't aware of it.

Hello Lee.

What you say is true.
However, from posts I have read on this forum over the past 6 months (yours included)
many stated that the T5 is also a superior sounding instrument.

I have never played a T5, but I was already blown away when I first played the T4 at
a friend's house 8 years ago.

So the T5 cannot suddenly be all that bad.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Pianoman]

There are many ways to entertain. And many different kinds of successful entertainers. Abby has a rollicking, party style, and is really good at it. But not everyone has to thrash the life out of a keyboard. You might be providing mood music in a Four Seasons lounge, or accompanying a high quality jazz vocalist, or playing in a ceiledh band. You just need to be good at what you do if you want to make a decent living from playing. You can't buy that in a keyboard, but like Lee says you might feel better doing it if you are playing what you believe is a great instrument.
Mike

Hello Mike.

In the late 80s I used to play in a Sheraton hotel Piano Lounge in Belgium.
Filling in for a Pianist named Victor, when he had his days off, or a hangover.

Thrashing a Piano does not necessarily imply violence towards the instrument.

Victor played Film, Lounge, and Jazz music.

But by God! He could thrash the Piano, gently and beautifully, but a good
thrashing nevertheless.

I would go every night he played, and listen to him from beginning to end.
I worshipped the guy.

He was already in his 60s at the time, and drank too much, but I hope that he
he is still Jazzing it up somewhere.

My use of the words "thrashing an instrument" mostly means impressive playing
of an instrument. Sometimes for the purpose of entertaining others, and
sometimes just for oneself at home.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

All very true guys, but I have found over the years a superior sounding instrument makes me a better musician because it inspires me and encourages me to explore more musical avenues. By that logic, a better keyboard indirectly impresses the audience - they just aren't aware of it.

Thanks Lee, how right you are. I posted the same thing somewhere here telling the story of when I got a Selmer saxophone and how just the feeling of having the most coveted horn made me improvise with more confidence and people telling me I had progressed.  It was not, but the effect would have been the same even if my father had bought me a fake Selmer. I for one am convinced   the placebo effect is real. It is a well known fact that in the sildenafil tests 18 % of those getting a sugar pill also experienced a marked  improvement.  It is a good example because the effect can be easily and immediately be experienced whereas the question "do you feel more energetic" since you take this vitamin pill is elusive.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Lee Batchelor]

Agreed Abby. My T5 was an amazing instrument but the Genos walks all over it in terms of pianos, drums, strings, effects, and general sound processing. There's no comparison when played through a quality gigging sound system. The Genos is so much more alive.

I'm really confused by those who don't hear a huge difference in the two. I wonder if they make the comparison under conditions they can't trust. For example, with cheap headphones, YouTube videos, poor quality sound systems, noisy demo venues like NAMM (There's the crappiest place to try to hear a new instrument. It's like a zoo!!). Beats me! All I know is my band mates, some clients, and some audience members are astounded by what they hear and tend to congregate around me when I'm packing up. It doesn't happen everywhere but often enough to NOT take notice.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

You just need to be good at what you do if you want to make a decent living from playing. You can't buy that in a keyboard, but like Lee says you might feel better doing it if you are playing what you believe is a great instrument.
Mike

Mike,
One could not say it better !

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Toril S]

I have played the Genos. Fantastic instrument, and I definitely heard the difference. But it has a touch screen, and that concerns me because I have low vision. All the older models can be navigated without vision if you must, but not Genos..

[DonM]

Toril S, I understand that the latest update has a feature that vocally announces the functions.  Not sure if it does it BEFORE you execute the command (touch the screen) and/or after.
If it works right, it could well be the most important innovation for visually-impaired people that has ever happened!

[Toril S]

Don, that is good news indeed! The feature has been used by Apple for years, so it is possible.