Sooner than later - Genos 61-

[Pino]

Eileen,
I don't think anyone has been slagging it off
I think Genos is a great keyboard

It just does not have some necessary tools like a real sequencer, chord sequencer, easy connection to Cubase or any DAW, midi to style, style editor etc. that we need.
We just think that Yamaha has had 15 to 20 years to sort these things out but alas only voice improvements and a touch screen in a different case.

Enjoy what your playing 🎹

[tyrosman]

Well as I always say, time will tell. Up untill now I have always had 61 note keyboards and mainly for the reason that they were easier to carry around, but with Genos it is not a big brute and is lighter than Tyros also more slenda and not much longer than Tyros 5 so why not have the advantage of those extra keys.

well said Eileen I cant wait to get mine

[tyrosman]

Well Abby,
   If you purchase a keyboard and you are very happy with it then I think most will mention the manufacturer
If you need to get in touch with the support team and they fall over backwards to help you, you are going to mention that to. Where is the problem in that. If you take an over all view Genos is by far the best keyboard from Yamaha so far and for that I give praise.
  I have been very dissapointed by the way some members have slated this keyboard without even owning it and insinuating we must have been mad to buy it but they were quick enough to ask us for the new styles and Multi pads off of it. 
  Every day you hear of people taking delivery of there's so they can't be that bad.  very well said Eileen

[valimaties]

I think it is coming too. 76 keys are too many for an arranger. 

No, are not, Drake You can make a lot of things, in style creator, in Split Point options, etc... 76 definitely better that 61, ever.

And it is not a big keyboard, Pino
T5-61=1140 mm and Genos-76 = 1234 mm (G > 94 mm)
T5-76=1347 mm and Genos-76 = 1234 mm (G < 113 mm)

Regards,
Vali

[Joe H]

So... we have different opinions, interests and likes/dislikes.  What else is new?

Let's still be friends!



Joe H

[mikf]

If Yanaha made a 61 key version of Tyros but the price was exactly the same as the 76 key version, how many people would choose it. Not many I suspect.
And I am not sure they could even do it now for the same price, it would probably cost more due to re-tooling for a much smaller production run. That would make no sense.
Mike

[Ingar]

Quote from Synthzone
In a few weeks at musikmesse we will see a 61 version of the Genos..
Thats a rumour coming from Germany..

My dealer has said this all along

And why shouldn't there be a 61

When Ford make a car they make a salon, a coupe, a hatchback
There have to modify some part but if there is a market then they
go for it. It's about making money.

Pino

Well, if Genos is supposed to be a follow-up to Tyros 5, which is made in both 61 and 72 versions, I find it natural that Genos also comes in the same format.

Regards Ingar

[mikf]

Pino - that's the point, it is about making money. When car companies make smaller selling variants on main models they often charge higher prices even where arguably you are actually getting 'less car'. Yamaha have concluded that all other things being equal (including price) the vast majority of buyers will choose 76 keys over 61. So the only way to make money on a variant would be to charge more than the standard. If the 76 key was $4000 and the 61 key $5000, then who would buy it?
Mike

[EileenL]

I don't think Genos is a follow up to any keyboard. It is a completely new concept. Out of the hundreds that have been sold most are happy with 76 notes.

[Joe H]

I don't think Genos is a follow up to any keyboard. It is a completely new concept...

Oh?... It's still an arranger with new features that Yamaha got its ideas for right here on this forum.  It's just a new an improved arranger that's all.

Joe H

[mcbrown]

If you intend to buy a car, keyboard, boat, house or whatever, surely you do your research to see if the item meets your requirements. When outlaying a lot of money for something I spend several weeks and many hours per day researching my potential purchase by downloading spec sheets and any other information I could find on the net etc. Then again I'm the sort of person who reads the Owners Manuals from cover to cover when I buy new products. That's just who I am (my family and friends laugh at this).

To go out and buy something and then complain that it doesn't do what you want or in the way you think it should then you and you alone are responsible for your purchase and not the manufacturer. If the item doesn't meet your needs then keep looking. If you are looking for the keyboard that does everything you want in the way you want then good luck with that because it doesn't exist and probably never will. If the keyboard doesn't do what you want or the step process is not to your liking, yes there may be some software updates / bug fixes that may give you what you want and then again may be not. Do you take that risk?

There have been comments about the price of Genos on other posts and I myself payed $1000 more for the Genos than my T5 76 new. I still think I got good value for my money as things go up over time due to cost of living etc. I bought the Genos because it was lighter and less bulky than my T5 76 and the sounds I believed were a step or two up from the T5. I'm very happy with my new keyboard and will I upgrade to the G2 when it comes out in the future, I don't know. I'm just appreciating what I have and thank you Yamaha for producing this amazing instrument.

Murray

[Gunnar Jonny]

 

Talking about prices .....
If price level mirror antyhing about the product, this should say something about it.
Snapshot of todays advert at one of the largest dealers in Norway 2018.03.31 :
Edit: 'Normal' price for Genos is now NOK 38.990,- at most all dealers that sell this brand.




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[EileenL]

Well said Murray,
  I agree with every word. Personally I prefer to explore the keyboard and see what all the functions do rather than read manuals. I find that I remember things better this way. Genos is a fine keyboard and if I am still around will defiantly have Genos 2

[mcbrown]

Yes Eileen, I did go and play it for a couple of hours to explore the menus and check out the touch screen. I also watched the dealer play as he is a far better player than myself. I then went home and packed up the T5 to pickup my new Genos.

Murray

[Pino]

Eileen,
I Wish you many more years of health and happy music

I have a question for you Eileen, Murray or anybody

I have many students of all ages

I have a 7 year old girl student
She's learnt the chords of a song C F G
She's learnt the right hand
Now she is so excited to record the song (Quick Record)
and put on Facebook and send to her friends.

Timing of Her left hand chords is not 100%

Can you quantise the chord track post recording on Genos?

Quantise (Genos Manual)
The Quantize function allows you to align the timing of all the notes in a channel. For example, if you record the musical phrase shown below, you may not play it with absolute precision, and your performance may have been slightly ahead of or behind the precise timing. Quantize is a convenient way of correcting for this.

It's not very clear in the Genos manual

Can you quantise the chord track post recording on Genos?

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

......... but with Genos it is not a big brute and is lighter than Tyros also more slenda and not much longer than Tyros 5 so why not have the advantage of those extra keys.

Once again: THANKS.   If you and me - let me call us octogenarians, no insult intended, just the sad truth  -  can handle the Genos  I feel it is has a good format and weight.

We all have our preferences, I for instance dislike everything going black, be it PCs,  printers, or PC keyboards or music keyboards and would have preferred the Tyros finish which unexpectedly stood up for years without a visible scratch. But marketing MUST cater to the whims of the consumer fashion buffs.  We got rid of silly chrome reflecting the sun inside  our cars, now it is  back. Two color cars and white sided tyres will one day come back just like discontinued cabriolet did.
I am a little confused as to what to put into what thread. May I ask you just an easy question once I am writing ?   
You split the right hand keyboard, have piano on the lower and baritone sax on the upper half. The nice thing is yo can get the octave correct and everything saved in the registry.  If you activate voice harmony, it affects both so you have to use a foot switch to turn it off when going to the baritone, which is OK when you sit, but when you stand  and move while you play, you easily miss that foot switch especially if you have no feeling in your feet like me (polyneuropathy.)  Is there a way to make the vocal harmony "partition - or voice specific" ?  On Tyros the harmony was voice-specific  (sometimes annoying) but if I remember correctly I could also override the default for above splitting.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Pino]

Kaarlo
The good thing about Registration is that you can save the settings of your keyboard.
Go to the Mixer Console and edit the Vol/Voice - Filter - Tune - Effect - EQ's - Harmony
Save your settings to Registration
Pino

[mikf]

I think I am kind of the opposite of Murray, because the way I see it there is a pretty small list of realistic contenders for many things. Certainly true for TOTL arrangers where there is probably a realistic choice of two brands, and it would take an awful lot to persuade me to change brands. So I don't see a lot of point agonizing over every feature. Especially after its bought! Once I get it I make the best music I can on it rather than worry about whether it has more DSPs than anyone else or a bigger range of compressor settings. The last keyboard I bought was because I wanted an 88 key arranger, and that basically cut the real choices to one.
Mike 

[sunny]

Hi All,
     Let us not hijack this thread. "Come soon Genos 61 "I'm anxiously waiting to buy Genos 61 keyboard, as i never played any Tyros keyboard more than 61 note on the stage. The 61 note keyboard is convenient for me. If you have any news about upcoming Genos 61 keyboard.Please share.

Thanks,
Sunny

[Pino]

Hi Sunny
Someone said that there may be some new from Musikmesse next week

Let's wait and see,

Pino

[sunny]

Hi Pino,
       The Musikmesse 2018 show is only 4 days ahead(11-14th April).

Sunny.

[ash1]

https://www.allegromusic.co.uk/yamaha-genos-61-note-version/

[Gunnar Jonny]

https://www.allegromusic.co.uk/yamaha-genos-61-note-version/

And here is whats written at the page:
"Take a look at our dimensions comparison chart and you will be pleasantly surprised to see that whilst there isn't a 61 note version of Genos, the 76 note is almost the same dimensions a Tyros 5 61, in old money just over 3 inches longer!"

Model   Width   Height   Depth
Genos   1234mm   138mm   456mm
Tyros 5 61   1140mm   142mm   450mm
Tyros 5 76   1347mm   142mm   450mm

Does this text say there is any 61 key on the way?
Nope, don't think so, it only say the 76 keys measurements is not much more than a 61.
I'm pretty sure there would be some leaks by now if a 61 keys G was on the way.........   

[Fred Smith]

Hi All,
     Let us not hijack this thread. "Come soon Genos 61 "I'm anxiously waiting to buy Genos 61 keyboard, as i never played any Tyros keyboard more than 61 note on the stage. The 61 note keyboard is convenient for me. If you have any news about upcoming Genos 61 keyboard.Please share.

There won't ever be a 61-key a Genos, but there will be new keyboards is the PSR line with Genos features. You'll just have to decide which is more important to you.

Fred

[EileenL]

I am with Fred,
  I had never played a 76 note keyboard before Genos. Despite the extra keys it is not as large as you may think and it is lighter than Tyros.

[mikf]

It's obvious that Yamaha have decided that the vast majority of buyers willing to shell out for their most expensive arranger prefer at least 76 keys as long as weight and size don't get too bad. There may be some who prefer 61 keys, but insufficient to make it economic to offer a 61 key Genos. So the answer to this thread is - if 61 keys is your most important decision driver, your choice is not going to be the Genos.
Yamaha's price driven arrangers will probably always offer the smaller keyboard, although with the success of 76 key arrangers my gues is they might be much more likely to offer a 76 key mid range arranger at some point than a 61 key TOTL arranger.
Mike

[mrdave]

I always prefered 76 key keyboards, since my Roland G-800.... never bought Tyros models because they were only 61 key, when T5-76 arrived I was tempted to get it, but I had already changed my old Korg Pa2x for the Pa3x some months before... but when Pa4x came out, I prefered to wait for next Yamaha and got the Genos, which I like a lot.

[Joe H]

This topic of 61 vs. 76 keys has been hash over to death.  Isn't it just a matter of personal preference?  Can't we just let the issue rest? This forum is supposed to be about helping each other learn how to get the most out of our arrangers and not debating personal likes and dislikes or trying to convince others to accept our own personal preferences about what is useful and what is not so useful.

Joe H

[sunny]

   why shouldn't there be a Genos 61 version ?

Sunny

[Lee Batchelor]

I believe I can sum up all the theories:

The Genos will remain as a single issue at 76 keys. If a smaller version is produced (and it is likely), it will be 61 keys, have the same sound engine, less features (just like a full Tyros vs. its PSR equivalent), and be call the PSR...

Case closed? I agree with Joe. Let's move on to the stuff we can't figure out .