Sooner than later - Genos 61-

[Gunnar Jonny]

This topic of 61 vs. 76 keys has been hash over to death.  Isn't it just a matter of personal preference?  Can't we just let the issue rest? This forum is supposed to be about helping each other learn how to get the most out of our arrangers and not debating personal likes and dislikes or trying to convince others to accept our own personal preferences about what is useful and what is not so useful.

Joe H

I think a quote from yourself in a post earlier in this very thread should be a good reply to this:

...... We are just discussing ideas here.  We all have a right to our opinions.

[stephenm52]

I don't have a crystal ball so I won't predict 61 keys or not, but I've heard from a reliable source that he has sold more Genos than any other arranger keyboard that was marketed by any company.  I also understand a close 2nd could be the s970 but that's at a third of the price that would make sense.

[EileenL]

Sure there will be a Genos Baby Brother out in around eighteen months time. Possibly PSR1000

[travlin-easy]

Sure there will be a Genos Baby Brother out in around eighteen months time. Possibly PSR1000

They already have a PSR-1000, but not a PSR-S-1000, which would be the next logical step.

All the best,

Gary

[Joe H]

In order to have a 61 keys arranger with those 9 sliders and 6 knobs Yamaha would have to do away with the on-board speakers.  So it wouldn't be called a PSR but rather some new model.

Joe H

[Pino]

I'm sure some of Yamaha's sales is due to the excellent after sales support from PSR Tutorials,

Maybe they should support us more directly here or pay some of the bills,

Pino

[MarcusAhlback]

Hi all,
Maybe we sould settle for that the next Genos will have (61+76)/2=68.5 keys? 
Kind regards Marcus

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Well said Murray,
  I agree with every word. Personally I prefer to explore the keyboard and see what all the functions do rather than read manuals. I find that I remember things better this way. Genos is a fine keyboard and if I am still around will defiantly  :)have Genos 2

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Eileen,  I love reading your posts, they are just such nice reading. Maybe  being the same age has something to do with it.

By the way, did you get the registrations from me that you and Fred  requested me to send in order to be able to look into my reg memory problems ?

Enslosed in WAW part of what I always begin my gigs with.

Cheers

Kaarlo

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[EileenL]

The sales of Genos have been so good because the product is so good and the after sales are always excellent
  Nothing at all to do with forums. If they had looked in on some of the threads on here they would not have taken kindly to all the Genos bashing that went on earlier. Yamaha will always respond to direct contact but not on forums. This is how it has always been.

[EileenL]

Yes Kaarlo, I did try your registration banks and reply on that thread. Without knowing exactly what you wanted set into each button I could not set anything up for you.

[Joe H]

I'm sure some of Yamaha's sales is due to the excellent after sales support from PSR Tutorials,

Maybe they should support us more directly here or pay some of the bills,

Pino

That's not going to happen.  While Yamaha has a synth forum, I doubt that they will ever have something similar for arrangers.  They read this forum and get ideas (for free) on what features to include in the next arranger model.

Joe H

[Toril S]

A 61 note Genos will be almost as light as the PSRs. Fantastic.

[Pino]

Eileen, if you tell me that I do not need to use StyleMagic to edit the styles on Genos and I can have easy access to (Yamaha) Cubase then I will go out and buy a Genos tomorrow,
please confirm,
thanks. 

[Fred Smith]

A 61 note Genos will be almost as light as the PSRs. Fantastic.

It will be as light as a PSR because it will be a PSR.

Fred

[Pino]

StyleMagic is an excellent style editor that offers support for Genos. We don't need ANY software to edit any arranger files.

Joe H

Joe, why would you be thinking that then?
We have to buy additional software to edit styles after paying $6000
If I want to change the volume 90 on the bass on VarA to 95 on VarB
Do I need to upload the style to an external app?
I thought this was an arranger keyboard?

[Fred Smith]

If I want to change the volume 90 on the bass on VarA to 95 on VarB

You can do that on the keyboard itself. Just use Style Creator.

Fred

[Pino]

You can do that on the keyboard itself. Just use Style Creator.

Fred

Fred, I am an OTS User, my registrations hold 8 different songs
Press a Registrations and that gives me a new style and 4 OTS to my style
Saving style edits to Registrations is easier but I edit styles.

I normally use StyleMagic for all my style editing, it's easier.
But on that occasion where I just need to tweak the volume of a track slightly
Then style creator would be easier, You can change a lot in style Creator
But where to change the volume of bass VarA 80 to Bass VarB to 90
I'm looking in the edit window and using the filter and I can only see
011 expression, where is the volume?

Can you run through it on your Genos.?

[Fred Smith]

Can you run through it on your Genos.?

I wouldn't have a clue as to where to start to look, Pino. All I know is you can use Style Creator on the keyboard, which is what you asked about.

Fred

[Joe H]

Joe, why would you be thinking that then?
We have to buy additional software to edit styles after paying $6000
If I want to change the volume 90 on the bass on VarA to 95 on VarB
Do I need to upload the style to an external app?
I thought this was an arranger keyboard?

It's not fare to edit the quote of someone to make an unreasonable argument.  You left out the "but" part in which I stated that you can do so much more with software on the computer.  You CAN edit any file on the keyboard (the simple stuff as you mention)... BUT we can do much more with PC-based software.

Do you understand?



Joe H

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Fred, I am an OTS User, my registrations hold 8 different songs
Press a Registrations and that gives me a new style and 4 OTS to my style
Saving style edits to Registrations is easier but I edit styles.

I normally use StyleMagic for all my style editing, it's easier.
But on that occasion where I just need to tweak the volume of a track slightly
Then style creator would be easier, You can change a lot in style Creator
But where to change the volume of bass VarA 80 to Bass VarB to 90
I'm looking in the edit window and using the filter and I can only see
011 expression, where is the volume?

Can you run through it on your Genos.?

If I understand your question right what you want to do is  edit styles like for instance make some instrument louder in variatio B compared to variation A.  I am doing that all the time in the style creator on my Genos. (I change volume and instruments in most every intro)  So  if I understood your problem correctly  (I am not sure I did) please just send me an e-mail to  v.freymann@welho.com saying yes and I will explain how to do it, or even better send your telephone number and I will lead you  step by step sitting at the Genos with you on the phone. It seems I have difficulty navigating on this huge site with so many threads. If you want me to do the explanation on this site, please mail me where I should go.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[jwyvern]

Quoting Pino,
"But where to change the volume of bass VarA 80 to Bass VarB to 90
I'm looking in the edit window and using the filter and I can only see
011 expression, where is the volume?"
Filter? You seem to be looking in the wrong place. With  style creator loaded (from main menu) choose the Variation required then go to Mixer (direct access followed by Ending 1 or 2 button) and tap the Style1 page. Then if necessary at left choose Pan/volume. Change the volumes of chosen instruments then exit back to Style Creator, repeat for other Variations then touch Save.

John

[Joe H]

Pino,

With StyleMagic I edit the Note Velocities to change the volumes on style Parts or whole Sections.  It can be done with Expression too, but if you want to increase the Volume and CC11 is at a value of 127, then the only way to get the part louder is to increase the Note Velocity of all notes.  Editing Note Velocity in StyleMagic is very easy to do.

Joe H

[panos]

Is n't this work like the other keyboards? First press play to hear the style in style creator and then go to mixer to change whatever you want to the specific variation you have choose. if you don't press the play button the changes will apply to all mains/fills/intros/endings.

[Joe H]

Is n't this work like the other keyboards? First press play to hear the style in style creator and then go to mixer to change whatever you want to the specific variation you have choose. if you don't press the play button the changes will apply to all mains/fills/intros/endings.

Yes that is correct.  If you want to edit a particular Section, you must select that Section using the Style Controls then edit the Section and SAVE.  The result will be that you changed the Volume on the specific Section ONLY.

Joe H

[Pino]

My preferred way to edit styles has been on StyleMagic,
Easy for swapping style parts around, deleting and editing instrument, vols, etc
The UI is nice to work with.

But there are occasions that I haven't got my laptop with me
Then I'm back to Style Creator for a few tweaks here and there.

The question.
Why do we need to go back to the Mixer when we have a very easy edit window in Style Creator?

Pino


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[Joe H]

I don't have a Genos so I can't address your question directly.  I don't see a CC07 but looks like you can Insert one if you wanted to.  The way to do that is select CC11 and then INSERT... then change the CC to 07.   I don't see any Note Data in the screen shot.

It's possible that you don't have to select the Section you wish to edit and then go to the Mixing Console to do the editing. That screen looks different than the PSRs and maybe the Tyros as well.

What have you tried to do so far?

Joe H

[Pino]

I've done the 'insert' bit
You cannot enter CC7 for some reason
It jumps from 1 to 10
That's ok, it's an easy window if it would work,

I haven't a Genos either, yet
It would be interesting to know if Yamaha has introduces a new style editing app for Genos
Or is it the same old 20 year old app with new colours?
Maybe a Genos owner can fill us in 

[jwyvern]

I've done the 'insert' bit
You cannot enter CC7 for some reason
It jumps from 1 to 10
That's ok, it's an easy window if it would work

Even the channels on existing styles I've looked at do not show controllers between 1 and 10 in the step record screens.
11 shows but on the ones I have seen it is at maximum, 127.  7 does not appear to be used (within those screens,  maybe it is a separate controller for each channel but set somewhere else?)
John

[mikf]

I need to look, but I would expect Genos to work similar to the recent Clavinova models.
Mike

[panos]

...............
The question.
Why do we need to go back to the Mixer when we have a very easy edit window in Style Creator?

Pino

Pino,I use this method for some reasons.
a) Many times the parts of a style are locked so if you go to edit menu you can edit just rhythm1 & rhythm2 parts and not other parts.
(stylemagic can unlock all parts likely on a computer)
b) Too many code numbers on Edit menu that you have to know what all those codes mean before you edit the right one.
c) If there is a volume/equalization/effect thing to edit,I prefer to listen to the part of the style while I apply the changes to it.