How to play That'll Be The Day properly

[Fred Smith]

I'm working on Buddy Holly's That'll Be The Day, and I've come to the part in the last chorus where he changes time on the "you make me cry-y" phrase.

How do I play this properly on the keyboard? I tried changing tempo, but haven't been able to make that work. It just seems to me like there are 5 beats in this bar.

Does anyone have any solutions to duplicate this phrasing in the original?

Thanks,
Fred

[pieterpan]

Fred,

Often a lot of music is a mix with 2/4 and 4/4. Sometimes even more. Making a style with a mix 2/4 and 4/4 is best done total in 2/4 and transform it later to 4/4. If in any case parts still need to be in 2/4 a program from Jorgen Sorensen will be the solution.

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/stytime/

Attached my version of this song.

Best of luck - Regards <> Piet

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[pethep]

thanks Piet, I try it too.

[DonM]

I can tell you how I do it.  I hit the Break button, then hit the autostart button and when I press the chord the music restarts.  It's a little trick I use a lot when I need unusual timing is called for.

[Fred Smith]

Often a lot of music is a mix with 2/4 and 4/4. Sometimes even more. Making a style with a mix 2/4 and 4/4 is best done total in 2/4 and transform it later to 4/4. If in any case parts still need to be in 2/4 a program from Jorgen Sorensen will be the solution.

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/stytime/

Attached my version of this song.

Piet,

I've used Jorgen's 2 beat fill converter a lot, and been very happy with it. However, I don't see that it's applicable here, because I hear only five beats, not six.

However, your solution may be good enough for an amateur like me, because I can just add a quarter-note rest.

Fred

[Fred Smith]

I can tell you how I do it.  I hit the Break button, then hit the autostart button and when I press the chord the music restarts.  It's a little trick I use a lot when I need unusual timing is called for.

When I try this, Don, as soon as I hit the SyncStart button, the accompaniment stops. I was hoping to have some rhythm going, the same as in the original song.

Fred.

[Joe H]

You might try creating a 5 beat Intro 1

Joe H

[mcbrown]

Hi Fred,
Here is something that may help you. I have attached a piece of music which shows the notes you need are triplets i.e. 3 notes played over 2 beats twice. (Triplet Crotchets)

I hope this helps you to achieve what you want to do.

Murray


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[Paula]

some times it works if you copy one of the intros to intro 1 or var, to intro 1 and leave the tracks you want a delete  the rest and change the pattern beats and then put to reg,

[mikf]

Fred
Murray has it right, it's just triplets, but for emphasis they hit every triplet beat and also slightly slow the tempo for this one bar. Just one of these things that is easy in a real band but difficult on an arranger. Easiest way - just hit and emphasize the triplet notes but not slow the tempo,-  not an absolutely accurate cover, but not that terrible. Better when there is a vocalist.  Another way is to stop the accompaniment for this one bar with a pedal and re start on the next bar, and although there is no drumbeat just hammer the lh bass notes if you have a lh voice in unison with the triplets and you get the same emphasis the drummer would give.
Mike

[Fred Smith]

Thanks Murray and Mike. Very helpful. As least I know the proper timing.

My problem is playing the triplets properly when the style doesn't support it. It would be great to have a Break which helps me out. As least I know what I need to do to finish the project.

Thanks,
Fred

[mcbrown]

Could you do a multipad for one bar? There are some midi files on the net with the song and the triplet timing which you may be able to extract and incorporate into the song pattern.

Murray

[d16lev]

For triplets I use as taught ....el ... e.... phant    works for me
  just for info
  Dave

[mikf]

Don't think Fred is having trouble with triplets per se - it's they way this one bar moves to triplets and also slows tempo simultaneously that can be a bit difficult on the arranger.
Mike