I tested a Genos Yesterday. It was....OK

[stephenm52]

Hello again Stephen.

I had to scroll up again to find your reply.

It seems like you are having quite a good time with your Genos 
That makes me happy for you.


Best Regards.
Abby.

Thank you sir!

[mgbchuck]

Howdy...... I own a Tyros 5..... and for some reason.... my board doesn't sound anything like the T-5 board that Peter Bartmann plays in all those YouTube videos.  I don't understand it!  You don't think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya?  I'm sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me😎😎😎😎😎

[Gunnar Jonny]

You don't think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya?  I'm sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me....

It's all about the player.  A great player will make even a 'toy arranger' shine.
No keyboard or instrument has ever made me sound any better than my skills allow me to play. It's as simple as that.
That said, Peter and others who demostrate are highly skilled musicians as well as trained for the job they do.

[tyrosman]

hi I was on Genos  from 10am till 4PM on Saturday afternoon and had a fantastic time and also found everything on it as well now I cant wait to get mine on the 7th of April ive had every Yamaha arranger from tyros 1 right to tyros 5 and also found a fast amount of changes in every keyboard  the sound of Genos is very much a live in every way from the styles all the way through we set up Yamaha msp5 speakers and also used the Genos speakers and all I can say is what a sound and is realy full on I Hope you get it Abby also for gigging speakers I use an Allen & Heath mixing desk and also QSC 10 Speakers ive loved evry Tyros ive had

[Pianoman]

Howdy...... I own a Tyros 5..... and for some reason.... my board doesn't sound anything like the T-5 board that Peter Bartmann plays in all those YouTube videos.  I don't understand it!  You don't think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya?  I'm sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me😎😎😎😎😎

Hello Mgbchuck.

I can also take the Tyros 1 and thrash it as good as, if not better than Mr. Baartmans.

And so can many other people here.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Eric, B]

Howdy...... I own a Tyros 5..... and for some reason.... my board doesn't sound anything like the T-5 board that Peter Bartmann plays in all those YouTube videos.  I don't understand it!  You don't think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya?  I'm sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me😎😎😎😎😎

I think another thing is EQ.
Whenever I get a new KB I use some Compression,  EQ and DSP to make it come alive.
Most KB out of the box sound a little dull and lifeless compared.
I know that most demonstrators use EQ and DSP to get the best sound so the KB shines.
They used to have workshops in Germany were Michel Voncken and Peter Baartmans would share setting up the KB for Sound, VH etc.
You can find some of those on YouTube.
Of course in German
Eric

[panos]

I agree with Eric.
Except that their playing is really good but how about going to a studio to make a new record and ask the studio the same mixer/equalizer settings for all of your tracks?
No!
I guess the studio will mix/equalize every single part of each track individually to sound good.
When it comes to sound maybe is better to trust the maths behind the sound waves and not just our ears.

Here is an S975 that sounds like an S975
I don't think any mixing was done here.
I believe the demonstrator uses just the original home settings of the keyboard and not edited the voices or the mixing console at all.

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42381.msg346369.html#msg346369

Hi Joe, a demoof the new S975 in French but intersting, all the best Patrick


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Z4AiLJzKM

[Pianoman]

I think another thing is EQ.
Whenever I get a new KB I use some Compression,  EQ and DSP to make it come alive.
Most KB out of the box sound a little dull and lifeless compared.

Eric

You're quite right Eric.

The dealer here finally has a Genos. Actually the dealer himself is on vacation,
and there was a temporary substitute who wasn't very keen on working.

I popped in by chance this morning, where he informed me he was about to close,
even though there was still an hour to go.

He told me to go back this afternoon, which I did.
After watching me like a hawk for 90 minutes, he informed me that he was going to
close, again.

He became friendlier after I informed him that I have bought 90 percent of my gear in that
store. Worth at least 9000€.

I also showed him videos, as proof that I'm a Bona Fide musician.

The Genos did sound dull and lifeless, and the much vaunted Revo drums failed to
impress me so far. The dull Splat, Splat made me cringe.

A lot of styles, like the style for Superstition, may require drum revoicing.

I know that this, like any other keyboard, requires a lot of EQ  tweaking, compression
tweaking, and individual voice EQ and voice levels, before one can get a decent
sound out of these things.

The only Arranger that sounded good straight out of the box, was a Roland G-800
many, many years ago.

I took my Sennheiser Headphones with me to the store, because I wanted to use
the same Headphones that I use at home with my T3.

I am not going to pass any more judgement till I have spent at least 12 hours with
the keyboard.

The important thing is that it is now available on this cursed island, and it is just a
matter of a few more tests before I have a clearer picture.

My only other Genos experience before 2 days ago, was from watching YouTube
videos, and listening to the songs that members have uploaded.



A Note To All Who May Read This:

I am trying to give my honest impressions of this keyboard.
Some may deliberately try to misread or misunderstand this post.

Please do not feel offended or personally slighted.
I am giving my impressions of a keyboard, not of a person.

Contrary to what some forum members may believe, I am really trying hard to
like this keyboard.

And it's not about money.
Id rather buy myself a new keyboard than hand my hard earned cash to the
tax man.

I'm  allowed me to deduct the keyboard from my taxes.

As I was playing though, I started leaning towards the idea of a T5, which
I'm sure I could tweak even when blindfolded.

I will keep updating as soon as I have done some more testing.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[Eric, B]

Hi Abby,
I felt the same a little about the T3, that you felt about the G-800
It had a lot more sizzle OOB than my T2 and T4.
Even after EQing my T4, I could could not get the sizzle of the T3.
I am so happy however that I got it with the Genos again
Eric

[DonM]

I had a G800--it was way ahead of its time.  Weighed a TON though. 

[Pianoman]

Hello Don.

Yes it's heavy.

It had a very rich and full sound though, even with 6 tracks.

I still have it in my spare room.  I should have sold it 15 years ago.

I'm a bit sentimental I guess.

Best Regards.

[travlin-easy]

At one time I too owned a G-800, great keyboard that you needed a fork lift to get it in and out of the van.

Abby, try these EQ settings on the Genos, which work well for me on the S-950.

EQ1 = +4
EQ2 = +2
EQ3 = +2
EQ4 = +3
EQ5 = +8

Don't worry with the Freq settings, they will be just fine. I believe this will really make that Genos come alive and you will love what you hear. Those highs should sizzle, and those drums should really rock - at least I hope this will be the case. Keep in mind that I am working blind with this one because I do not own a Genos. However, if I had longer to live, I would have already purchased one.

Good luck,

Gary

[DonM]

Can't do that Gary.  Even the S970 now has more than five bands.  You know my position on boosting all frequencies; it's generally considered a no-no.  But if it works, go for it!

[Pianoman]

Good idea Gary.

The store owner is on vacation till next week.
There's an unfriendly substitute in the store right now.

I want to ask him, when he gets back, to let me keep the Genos at my home for
a weekend.

He used to let me try out equipment before I commit to buy.

I hope that he can do the same this time.
People change, but I hope that it would be possible.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[travlin-easy]

Don, prior to owning the Bose systems, which are flat, I kept the keyboard EQs at flat, which worked just fine because I EQ'd the PA system mixer instead. Since I no longer use a mixer/PA I began changing the EQ of the keyboard and obtained excellent results. I forgot that more bands were added with later models than my S-950, but the basic smiley rule still applies. For me, the difference was quite dramatic. It produced a live sound that the flat setting did not provide.

Abby, good luck my Friend and I sincerely hope this all works for your needs in Ibiza.

All the best,

Gary

[tyrosman]

I think another thing is EQ.
Whenever I get a new KB I use some Compression,  EQ and DSP to make it come alive.
Most KB out of the box sound a little dull and lifeless compared.
I know that most demonstrators use EQ and DSP to get the best sound so the KB shines.
They used to have workshops in Germany were Michel Voncken and Peter Baartmans would share setting up the KB for Sound, VH etc.
You can find some of those on YouTube.
Of course in German
Eric

here Eric you could Translate these settings it terrible trying to follow You Tube

[stephenm52]

Gary,


For your benefit and others too who do not have a Genos, this is what the EQ and compression screens look like.  For the most part I've chose the "powerful" setting( the photo shows one called loudness)  but have set up an alternative for my use called SM.

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[mikf]

In technolog6 development there is no escaping the law of dimishing returns ie improvements gets more and more marginal as the technology matures. So anyone who expects the Genos to sound miles better than the T5 is going to be disappointed, because the T5 was already very good.  Same T4 to T5. But if the sound is measurably better, even a little, styles are also a little bit better, the ease of use a little bit better, the weight a little bit less, the new voices a little bit better - it all adds up to be something worthwhile and more fun to play.
Mike

[Pianoman]

In technolog6 development there is no escaping the law of dimishing returns ie improvements gets more and more marginal as the technology matures. So anyone who expects the Genos to sound miles better than the T5 is going to be disappointed, because the T5 was already very good.  Same T4 to T5.
Mike

Thank you Mike.

That's what I've been trying to say all along.

The Tyros line was, from the very beginning, revolutionary in terms of styles and
sound.

Let's not forget that we were still lavishing praise on the T5 just a few months ago,
and deservedly so.

I have finally gotten the opportunity to test the Genos in the flesh.
It has been a long wait.

My first impression is that the Genos is evolutionary, not revolutionary, despite what
some may allege.

After all the praises here, I was eager to test the machine, and my impressions
were not that it isn't a good keyboard.

It is without doubt quite impressive, but not the revolution I expected it to be,
after reading all the praise here.

I admit that I have only tested the Genos for a total of 3 and a half hours.

I will try to borrow the keyboard for a whole weekend, so I can make a better
informed analysis of it.

So far, the "wow" factor just wasn't there.

I bought my T3 after playing it for 20 minutes. I played a few styles, tried a few
voices, walked over to the dealer and bought it on the spot.

It had immediately given me a high and a punch in the gut.

I haven't gotten that feeling so far with the Genos.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[EileenL]

Genos for me was a hit as soon as I heard it. I had Tyros 5 for four years and for me a the time was the best but with Genos the sound was so much more alive and the styles were so much better balanced. Using a registration from my Tyros 5 in Genos the sound immediately blew me away. It is a real joy to play.

[keynote]

The next time you play the Genos please consider using the EQ settings in the link below. These settings in particular will sound good through headphones as well as through big and small speakers.

https://www.soundpacks.co.uk/blogs/news/eq-settings-for-genos

PS: On the EQ page I set the gain on my Genos a little different than the website. Left to right > +6, +3, +2, +1, 0, 0, +3, +5. I found the Gain settings on the website a little too loud i.e. harsh, for my taste. Whatever is preferable to you is the most important thing. Which brand and model of headphones you use is also important. Some headphones produce better sound than others needless to say. The Genos has the ability to produce breathtaking sound. Therefore the better the speaker system (or headphones) you use the better the sound will be in order to reach its fullest potential. Something I'm sure you are well aware of as a gigging musician.   Of course EQ settings are also very important in the grand scheme of things.

Mike

[panos]

To me there is a revolution to Genos compared to T5 but you cannot see and understand it if you don't play/listen/compose this kind of music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urZoN3ASVi0

If you have spent countless hours trying to find out how to do and compine these effects and arpeggios on a pc program and now for the first time you are able to do them live on a keyboard, that is where the "wow" thing comes out by some of us.

For the other differences between the 2 models I agree with Mike's post and I just have to add that the new keyboard looks more beautiful to me with all those curves and colours. 

[Gunnar Jonny]

.........So far, the "wow" factor just wasn't there.

I bought my T3 after playing it for 20 minutes. I played a few styles, tried a few
voices, walked over to the dealer and bought it on the spot.

It had immediately given me a high and a punch in the gut.

I haven't gotten that feeling so far with the Genos...

To repeat myself, and I'm even more sure after read your new comment.
If you ever consider swap T3, I think you'll be more than superhappy to replace it with a T5.

It's not any secret, I have never been any Yammie fan, never liked (in my ears) the cold CD'ish sound. By 'accident', got hands on a 2.nd hand T4 some years ago. Why I bought it? Really don't know, probably a very impulsive act..... 
Skipped T5 and was on the way to buy Korg PA4. Genos came, I did not expect it to sound any different than T series, and there was no way I was going to buy one...
Listened and looked to all demoes to find, and could hear there was something new and different.. Got a fairly good offer to loose a pretty bunch of $$$$$, and ate the bait.   
Now I'm happy I did, because in my ears and eyes Genos is the best arranger from Yamaha 'till date. My 'love' for it grows for each day I play.
Genos going to stay, and PA?X-76 will join 'the team' at a later stage.. Not because I'm any well skilled or any good player, not because I really need it, but simply for my own pleasure, excitement, fun and joy. 

Abby (The Pianoman), I really hope to see you entertain live when we're flying south to the sunny islands again. Hope it's not too far into the future.
If so, I'll give you a sign and say hello.
Keep on the good work!

[soundphase]

Thank you Mike.

That's what I've been trying to say all along.

The Tyros line was, from the very beginning, revolutionary in terms of styles and
sound.

Let's not forget that we were still lavishing praise on the T5 just a few months ago,
and deservedly so.

I have finally gotten the opportunity to test the Genos in the flesh.
It has been a long wait.

My first impression is that the Genos is evolutionary, not revolutionary, despite what
some may allege.

After all the praises here, I was eager to test the machine, and my impressions
were not that it isn't a good keyboard.

It is without doubt quite impressive, but not the revolution I expected it to be,
after reading all the praise here.

I admit that I have only tested the Genos for a total of 3 and a half hours.

I will try to borrow the keyboard for a whole weekend, so I can make a better
informed analysis of it.

So far, the "wow" factor just wasn't there.

I bought my T3 after playing it for 20 minutes. I played a few styles, tried a few
voices, walked over to the dealer and bought it on the spot.

It had immediately given me a high and a punch in the gut.

I haven't gotten that feeling so far with the Genos.

Best Regards.
Abby.

Hi Abby

T3 Wow
Genos Good but not Wow

It depends from what keyboard you start from.
My first Tyros was the T3, and it's clear, that I share your opinion. And I also agree with you that Genos is an evolution a little more important than the one from T4 to T5, and the one from T4 to T5.

I think there is a lot of DSP/CPU power that is not totally used yet.

For example, I'm waiting for "SSS", that will be a great evolution for me.
I'm fed up with the fact we have to carefully stop to play notes, and to program our R1,R2,R3 parts to avoid sound glitches during registrations changes.

Soundphase.

[Al Ram]

interesting exchange of opinions.

Specially the part about EQ settings.

thanks all

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

I have enjoyed your postings and very much agree.  Abe is thinking very much along my line of thought, but of course  a little bit better this, a little bit better that and so on is a valid argument. But Abe sees a keyboard as a tool  (you must see him on U-tube to fully understand that) and like with a hammer a slightly better grip will not make me buy a new one. The fact that I have 2 Genos here since weeks and still have problems seems unbelievable. Please read my post of to -day about the  registry. Can't wait for someone to explain what is wrong, we have been trying so  hard with the Yamaha importer gentleman.
Cheers

Kaarlo