Genos...a few thoughts

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Hi Kaarlo,
No need for a camera to make pictures of your display. Follow the instructions below to make screen captures.

1. Switch off the Genos
2. Insert  a USB stick
3. In the Style control section, hold down the "BREAK" + "ENDING 2" + "ENDING 3" buttons while turning on Genos
4. To take a screen copy, press "ONE TOUCH SETTING 4"
5. The images are stored on the USB stick (in the root folder and called CAPT000X)

Regards,

Stijn

THANKS, seems a brilliant idea, will try  (did I reply already, I easily get lost on this HUGE site ? )

[EileenL]

I do not think pictures will help us solve your problem unless you make a video of the steps you are using to create your registrations. I really don't think this is a keyboard problem.

I have just noticed you say you use Midi Files for your backings and not styles. In that case you must make sure you have song ticked in memories and song saved to the registration bank.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

I do not think pictures will help us solve your problem unless you make a video of the steps you are using to create your registrations. I really don't think this is a keyboard problem.

I have just noticed you say you use Midi Files for your backings and not styles. In that case you must make sure you have song ticked in memories and song saved to the registration bank.

Thanks Eileen. You are the most  consistently helpful poster on this site.  Of course I do a lot of tunes using the reg banks with styles but I also as you say use mifi files.  I have never had problems with my midi files. Instrumentation having been tweaked and the file transposed to the key of C on the MIDIFILE OPTIMIZER 8  and so that channel allocation is always the same, not just drums always on ch 10, (it is strange some have base on ch 1)  they are saved and listed in the user drive. The only thing I have to do is choose the song and transpose the Genos to the key I want to be applied which I put into the name of the file.

As someone who I am sure can play and improvise in any key, you will laugh now and and there is that saying a good laugh prolongs life  and that need both of us have !  I am  able to improvise only in the key of  C.  That is why I have transposed all my midi files to C, but of course then they do not sound right or are unsingable, so the desired key must be input by the dedicated buttons just like I did on Tyros.  Every now and then a surprisingly good  (Karaoke trained ?)  person asks whether i could let him sing the song I just played "with my baritone sax" .  Then we have to see what key is right for that person, and if it is not too far off what I used, the only thing I have to do is use the up and down buttons, and I can add some improvisation with my right hand, again in the key of C though we might be in F#.

Finally it seems some others also have memory problems with the registry. Hopefully Yamaha will come with an upgrade that lets you put the global settings of buttons, sliders etc  somewhere else locked up. Someone wrote me maybe I am putting to much under every reg button for the memory to cope with.

Cheers and happy Easter
Kaarlo

[EileenL]

Global settings do not change so no need to save them anywhere.
  I am attaching one of my Genos registration banks Let me know if it changes after loading a few times. Thos is set up the way I told you on one of your other threads.

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[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Global settings do not change so no need to save them anywhere.
  I am attaching one of my Genos registration banks Let me know if it changes after loading a few times. Thos is set up the way I told you on one of your other threads.

Dear Eileen,
I have a feeling I did already confirm that your beautiful reg bank worked without any problems. This is just to make sure you have the information.  It seems I get  bewildered as there are so many interesting threads on this site,  BTW one of my well received tunes is "Bewitched, bothered and bewildered".

Cheers
Kaarlo

[EileenL]

What we are asking you to do is post us the registration that is giving you a problem so we can see why by trying it on our keyboard.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

What we are asking you to do is post us the registration that is giving you a problem so we can see why by trying it on our keyboard.

Thank you FINALLY the fossil understood. Hopefully the system will let me attach the files,  with photos it told me "security problem".

Thanks for your always being helpful

Cheers

Kaarlo


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[EileenL]

I have just tried these banks and have found on one Intro was saved to most and also Mono was on on the whistle. The other one had no style attached and had Piano set to all ten buttons. I would say this is nothing to do with the keyboard being faulty but the bank buttons are not being saved correctly. As I don't know what you wanted on them I cant reset them for you.

[Roger Brenizer]

When you tried to attach your photos and received the "security error message", Kaarlo, what were the filename extensions of the photos you were trying to upload?

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Quote from:  EileenL on Yesterday at 11:55:25 PM

I have just tried these banks and have found

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on one Intro was saved to most and also Mono was on on the whistle.

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The other one had no style attached and had Piano set to all ten buttons. ´
I would say ............the bank buttons are not being saved correctly.

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As I don't know what you wanted on them I can't reset them for you.

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Thanks Eileen for going to the trouble, very kind of you. I wish to compliment you,

YOU  DID  FIND  WHAT  I  HOPED  YOU  WILL  FIND AND EXACTLY WHAT IS THE PROBLEM. 

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You correctly "found on one Intro was saved to most."     "  Correct, and that is corrupt.
I always save Intro "under every button" and ending under button 10 ,  not just Intro on most like it is now.
To make sure I made no mistake when saving, I first do something else and then go and call up the bank I memorized a short while ago, play it  and take a photo of the screen.
So far so good, usually everything is as intended.

But then a few hours, days or a week  later  when again I call up this controlled  registry bank that was OK,  it has become corrupt and is like the ones you examined.

As it is natural to suspect  I did  not set up the banks correctly  I wanted to send you the photos of the bank information after the first call up (showing it is correct) and a photo of  what then becomes of it,  e.g. what you have seen.

From the photos  one can deduct that it was originally saved correctly and the going corrupt has happened later.

It is obvious no-one  would  build a bank without  styles attached  so your presumption "the bank buttons are not being saved correctly" as plausible as that may seem just is not the case and can be verified from the photos.

From the files you have investigated it is obvious they are crap,  but they were not crap when called up shortly after the memorization as the photos I have verify.

So you went to a lot of trouble and found out what is the problem for what I want to thank you.
One problem that occurs often and cannot be seen from the registry information, only heard and seen on photographs of the small display is that often also the volume balance between right hand and accompaniment and accompaniment parts volume  settings become corrupt.

Often also the tempo reverts to something it was not memorized to.

The YAMAHA importers representative is aware of the problems, but I  have no information as to how well he has informed YAMAHA  Nordic.
The fact that I have had two Genoses here for weeks either indicates he is waiting for help from YAMAHA  or is just too busy. He took over in January from my trusted old friend with whom I had excellent co-operation for decades and he is understandably under a tremendous workload. I know,  40 years ago I was in exactly his situation.
They treat me very well as I am their oldest client. I bought my first electronic instrument from them in 1968, half a century ago !

I trust you Eileen are able to say what I should do next. And I wish to thank you for your help.



 

[EileenL]

Firstly are you using on board styles in your registrations. If you are using third party ones to link you must make sure these styles are never moved or the registration will not pick them up.
  I have altered the everything wrong bank using default split point. I also found that some voices in Line Out were set to Sub. Put them where they should be and now you will hear them. Set up different styles in each and adjusted volumes.

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[jwyvern]

Hi Kaarlo, your problems with registrations seem to be spreading across a number of threads so I am attempting  to bring it back to this thread rather than go off topic even more elsewhere. On another thread you said,

" It did work as memorized when I after a while called up the bank and played through all 10 banks.  I am afraid within a few days without ever having been opened the bank will be corrupt just as the ones I sent to Eileen. Will be back."

Yes they usually work OK after memorising because the setups you are after are still in the keyboard memory buffer.

But there is still something you need to do to make your registrations permanent and I don't believe I have seen you mention it in your posts. After memorising and before moving on to a different bank you must save that whole edited bank first. Usually, if you try to move on the keyboard will warn you if the bank has not been saved and give you the option to save it.
But can you confirm you have been saving each bank immediately when completed, if not their settings will not stick beyond the current editing session? Note the saving process is slightly different from Tyros and it's possible you may not be completing it properly.
John

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Hi Kaarlo, your problems with registrations seem to be spreading across a number of threads so I am attempting  to bring it back to this thread rather than go off topic even more elsewhere. On another thread you said,

" It did work as memorized when I after a while called up the bank and played through all 10 banks.  I am afraid within a few days without ever having been opened the bank will be corrupt just as the ones I sent to Eileen. Will be back."


John

Thanks  John. I do apologize, this site is so huge with so many interesting threads I have not been able "to keep my act together", e.g. keep in the threads but committed the error of "spreading across a number of threads"  The only excuse I can come up with is I was born in 1935    Eileen is my age category and is 100 % organized, which just shows the claim "All men are created equal"  is  "second truth."

Thanks for going to the trouble of explaining the memorization sequence and the very precise instructions.

"But there is still something you need to do to make your registrations permanent and I don't believe I have seen you mention it in your posts. After memorising and before moving on to a different bank you must save that whole edited bank first. Usually, if you try to move on the keyboard will warn you if the bank has not been saved and give you the option to save it. "

You are right,  I may not have mentioned that in any of my rants, but I am aware you have to  put the bank in memory and give it a name before going elsewhere. And as you say, Tyros and Genos help you not to forget that by posting the message  that the bank has changed and asking you whether you wand to save the changes or not, and you get that message even if the instrument  was switched off  when you switch it on again, which to me is out of this world.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[EileenL]

Did you try the registration bank. I want to know if it changes after you have loaded it a few times.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Firstly are you using on board styles in your registrations. If you are using third party ones to link you must make sure these styles are never moved or the registration will not pick them up.
  I have altered the everything wrong bank using default split point. I also found that some voices in Line Out were set to Sub. Put them where they should be and now you will hear them. Set up different styles in each and adjusted volumes.

Thanks Eileen,
I forgot to mention the setting  to SUB line out is intentional on wind instruments as I use a breath controller for those (not the discontinued Yamaha)  which only influences volume but a system I built already  30 years ago which has both a voltage controlled amplifier and a voltage controlled filter.  Just "blowing volume"  misses the point that the spectrum of a trumpet played loud is different from one played at low volume. E.g.  on a radio turned down to a very low volume you can still hear whether the trumpet was played fortissimo.  One also needs a voltage controlled filter if one wants the breath control to really emulate a real trumpet. Will make a recording for you just in case you might be interested as we are dealing so much with how an instrument sounds. But please, have a look only if it interests you, it is not a request for help. I have the uneasy feeling I am burdening you already far too much and being unreasonable.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97kT82qNRng
                http://www.patchmanmusic.com/NyleSteinerHomepage.html

Neil Steiner - how kind of him -  sent me the schematics 30 years ago free  of charge by snail mail.

"Firstly are you using on board styles in your registrations." Very important point, but as I have put all styles on the Genos user drive I have had no problems calling them up,  but to make sure they are not the cause, I have made the latest  reg banks using only Genos preset styles and present voices as you will see when you open the attached two versions of the same  registry bank,  the original one made yesterday and how it has changed when called it up to-day.

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First things first:   I am very thankful and VERY impressed  to what length Eileen and a lot of others on this site are willing to go to help.  The willingness to invest/waste time is unbelievable.
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I made a bank in a rather special way to try a final analysis: is my experience that the memory is unreliable correct or not.

On PARAMETER LOCK  every item was  non-clicked, e.g. there was nothing locked. On FREEZE  every item was non-clicked  and FREEZE was never activated as the intention was to change everything going up the buttons.

The  idea was to change everything under every registry button 1 -10. So all items to be memorized  were "upped"  one step,  except the Intro as you do not have 10 intros.

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STYLES were  not taken from the large pool of styles I have  (which I mostly have done)  to ascertain the problems are not caused by old STYLES.  Now the styles were taken from the JAZZ presets starting with the first under button 1 and going up the list to nr. 10.  It is easy to control the setting is correct  on the HOME page by pressing the button 1 – 10.

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Voices were taken from the present pianos going up  in the pianos listed.  VOICE HARMONY settings were also changed but have not been scrutinized.
It is easy to control that the setting is as intended by pressing the VOICE button and then go through button 1 – 10.

3
Transpose was  set  to going up one step  with each button from  - 2  (Bb) on button nr 1 to + 7 on button 9  and stay + 7 on button  10 which just has the ENDING.

4
Tempo was set to increase by 1 with each button starting with 131 on button nr 1 to  140 on button 9 and  decrease to 70  on the ENDING under button 10

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VOLUME for both style and right hand voice was increased by one step under each button starting with  70 for both increasing to 80 for both on button 10.

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I made photos of the display to make sure settings were done as described and showed up on the big display under the REGISTRY  INFORMATION and the small display for the volume changes and also on the HOME  page for STYLE and for the tempo. I have found no dedicated display for TRANSPOSE setting, (if you press the up and down buttons it simultaneously to show it that also alters the setting)  so TRANSPOSE was checked by listening.

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I played the created bank to verify that everything  was called up  as intended.  It was,

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I saved the bank and gave it the name  "EVERYTHING + 1  ON 1 – 10"

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I went to another bank, played that and then called up the bank that had little before been memorized.   Everything seemed to have been memorized correctly except the volume changes, which do not increase.

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Calling up the bank next day the errors have increased:   now not only the volume change is missing but also the TEMPO is corrupted.










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[Fred Smith]

Thanks  John. I do apologize, this site is so huge with so many interesting threads I have not been able "to keep my act together", e.g. keep in the threads but committed the error of "spreading across a number of threads" 

If you would start your own threads rather than hijacking others, then you'd be able to follow your posts and their replies.

Hope this helps,
Fred

[Lee Batchelor]

Kaarlo, what Fred is trying to say is, "Pick one issue you're having and start a dedicated topic where we can all contribute our ideas and solutions." The word hijacking is a little out of line, in my books.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Kaarlo, what Fred is trying to say is, "Pick one issue you're having and start a dedicated topic where we can all contribute our ideas and solutions." The word hijacking is a little out of line, in my books.

Thanks Lee for your great kindness. Very much appreciated. 
I never feel offended when someone is right especially when I am wrong.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Did you try the registration bank. I want to know if it changes after you have loaded it a few times.

Dear Eileen,
Thank you for the umpteenth time.  Yes, I did download the file, put it on a stick, copy it to the user drive and save it there.  It did not seem changed when I loaded it after this saving.  To make changes more easy to detect I changed the tempo to go upwards with every button, also the key and the volume of both style and right hand and then saved it under a new name.  And would you believe it    I have called up some other reg.banks  3 times and then gone back to this "easily with one glance" controllable bank, AND SO FAR ALL SETTINGS  HAVE BEEN CALLED UP CORRECTLY 

Now I  will not sleep!  Will see if the situation is as good to-morrow.

Attached is a "blown"  whistle sound from the TYROS 5/6  I have to hide behind the mic so that people do not see the silicone tube I blow into.  Few performers whistle these days like Les Paul in his Walking and Whistling Blues  which I always get a lot of compliments from those who can still remember him like I am sure you can. You can actually see the silicone tube on my avatar.

                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkzUkqwvS3Y


Cheers

Kaarlo
















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[Gunnar Jonny]

........." The word hijacking is a little out of line, in my books.

.. some, or in fact at many fora they use 'Go South' when a thread is doing just that, going south.     

[Lee Batchelor]

Good one, Gunnar!