Genos can be so frustrating

[Bill]

Hi Dave

It is very easy when you use the right tools for the Job.

If you have an IPAD use the App "MusicSoft Manager"
If you have a windows PC Use the Yamaha Program "MusicSoft Downloader".

You can copy ALL the Registrations is one go AND you can put them back on the Expansion or in the USER area wherever you choose.

If you use the PC program you only need to connect the keyboard and PC together by a printer cable and you do NOT need to enter storage Mode.

Regards

Bill

[Tankdave]

Thanks, looks like I have some more learning to do

[EileenL]

Hi
  Are you selecting the registration from the expansion pack and loading it. This way works fine for me with no problem.

[Tankdave]

I belieive I am, and that is where the buttons are greyed-out, I'll take a picture when I get a chance.

[jwyvern]

Hi Eileen
When I'm in the Expansion section the "file" options are greyed-out except "Save" and all that does is save the current reg.

Dave, what you describe is correct. But before touching Save, touch a registration that is in the Expansion folder to make "it" current first. Then after touching save you will be able navigate to a user folder, touch "Save here" and save that registration outside the Expansion folder.
John

[Tankdave]

Been trying the "MusicSoft Download" program tonight and it is rather handy.

I was able to access Expansion area Registrations, make copies of them, modify them in YRM, save the modded version as a seperate file and then replace the expansion registration in the Genos with my modded one.

This way I get to keep an original version and the modded one on my PC as backups and I have complete flexability as to where I keep them in the Genos.

You can even move them from USB to USB and BTW the Expansion registrations seem to work OK even off USB.

Thanks for the info about the this, it is great tool for the Genos housekeeping and fixing up of problems.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Same here.  The Yamaha importers keyboard sales manager will come to my house with a  Genos so we can check whether  I happen to have a Monday-Genos or whether  these keyboards are all made only Mondays.
Kaarlo   (from sunny snowy Finland  minus 28 C)

Having had the second Genos keyboards here now for several days  this is what became evident:  My Genos did have some problems all of its own, e.g. they were not present on the second Genos.  But most of what we believe is a bug is not. The reason is:  GENOS is different in its fundamental concept, which  makes it possible to do things you could not do on Tyros.  But we tend to do things like we did them before and that in many cases will not work, e.g. things you expect to go  into non volatile memory is not stored.   Tyros had a lot of "global" settings that would remain in memory and be available whatever you did.  On Genos you have to save even the things  you always  want in the registry banks. The manual does also need some updates. It does for instance  explain how to set markers into a song  but not  how to remove them and as a fact on both examples I have so far not found out how to do it. Maybe someone here has found out.  In case not I am confident that will be ok after the next update.

Cheers    Kaarlo

[Fred Smith]

Tyros had a lot of "global" settings that would remain in memory and be available whatever you did.  On Genos you have to save even the things  you always  want in the registry banks.

This not correct. In fact, Genos will remember more settings than a Tyros will (like pedal assignments).

Fred

[Tankdave]

Kaarlo,  what was fixed by your 2nd Genos, I would be interested to know?

If I have missed another thread about this I apologise but I am genuinely interested as mine still does my head in, much less now as I get to learn so much.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Hi,
Sorry, I did see your question just now  - at 83  it's difficult to keep your act togther. To-day my wife discovered  I after putting away the cash she fetched at the bank  in the safe I forgot to close its door    not lock...close !
And now I cannot remember what problem was solved by the second Genos. BUT, very important, the setting of the PARAMETER LOCK is critical for saving REG BANKS.  Most items should not be locked and if you do not lock anything you will not have the problems I had, e.g. always finding things you memorized not being memorized. As a fact  I did not understand the importance of having a completely empty reg bank  - and would not have been able to make one -  but after I started using the one you can download here and  beginning by filling in my settings before doing anything else (You make the first button the way you want sliders and all the rest) and then copy the first button to all the others - make sure you limit the memory function to reflect what you want to go to all buttons - and only after that start putting in all the rest you want to save under each button which is different I have not had problems with the memory Making a perfect reg bank was a lot of work in the Tyros, the same is true for Genos.  I takes me about one hour because I memorize the slider settings individually, not like they are set in the Styles as you have them. But it seems Genos II now functions as conceived by the designers and I am of course waiting for  further updates. 

Cheers

Kaarlo

[EileenL]

Creating Registrations on Genos is the same as we did on Tyros. Make sure you have ticks in the memory of what you want saved with your voices. If you have altered the volumes of the style and want to add certain Multi pads you can use the freeze button to hold these while you save to all ten buttons.

[Lee Batchelor]

I downloaded Murray's program but there is no selection for the Genos. When I try to load a registration, it says the Source keyboard is unknown. Does Murray offer an update for the Genos?

I tried opening my copied registrations from a USB drive. I got the error shown in the attached picture. Murray's program worked really well on my T4. His efforts are very much appreciated!

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[zionip]

I downloaded Murray's program but there is no selection for the Genos. When I try to load a registration, it says the Source keyboard is unknown. Does Murray offer an update for the Genos?

I tried opening my copied registrations from a USB drive. I got the error shown in the attached picture. Murray's program worked really well on my T4. His efforts are very much appreciated!

Hi Lee,

Which version of Yamaha Registration Manager did you install?

Murray Best's Yamaha Registration Manager 5.1 supports Genos.


Download the installer "YRMsetup510.msi" :
Link:  https://www.bit.ly/YRM510S24

Download the English manual:
Link:  https://www.bit.ly/YRM510English

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks Paul. I downloaded 5.0. I'll use your link. Thanks again!

[Fred Smith]

I downloaded Murray's program but there is no selection for the Genos. When I try to load a registration, it says the Source keyboard is unknown. Does Murray offer an update for the Genos?

I tried opening my copied registrations from a USB drive. I got the error shown in the attached picture. Murray's program worked really well on my T4. His efforts are very much appreciated!

You need to use the most up to date version of the program.

Fred

[tyrosaurus]

The link on the PSR Tutorial main site (https://psrtutorial.com/util/best.html) has not been updated. 

It still downloads the previous version of the program... 'YRMsetup500.msi'


Regards

Ian

[Lee Batchelor]

Ian is correct. That was where I made my error. I successfully downloaded Version 5.1 and it works great. Thanks Murray!

[mikey4u100]

I am a little confused regarding a startup registration. My Tyros was always ready to play when turned on! My Genos needs at least  2.ACMP and OTS link always defaults to off and the last used rhythm is lost!

Confused Amature Sheffield.

[Fred Smith]

I am a little confused regarding a startup registration. My Tyros was always ready to play when turned on! My Genos needs at least  2.ACMP and OTS link always defaults to off and the last used rhythm is lost!

Confused Amature Sheffield.

Well, Confused, your memory is fading. I still have my T4 here, so I ran a test. I turned both on, and see no difference in operation.

1. Neither keyboard remembers the last used style (which is what I assume you meant by "rhythm").
2. Both keyboards have ACMP off.
3. Both keyboards have OTS Link off.

Hope this helps,
Fred

[EileenL]

Yes That is correct. The keyboard will only bring up your settings when you engage one of the registration buttons the same as all other Tyros keyboards.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Yes That is correct. The keyboard will only bring up your settings when you engage one of the registration buttons the same as all other Tyros keyboards.

Dear Eileen,
thanks for going to the trouble of sending me your bank. Please accept my admiration for your dedication to us lesser musicians. And WHAT A BEAUTIFUL creation that bank is. I never use any effects, but even in that respect the bank was a revelation.

But it was not only beautiful, it helped solve the "Genos -bad-memory-mystery" at least to some degree. 
It is the old story about apples pears.
YES your beutifullly built bank that contains only one style with its variations and right hand voices worked perfectly.

I could  change  the speed, save that as a new reg file, and then call it up again everything OK. 

Then I proceeded to do what I always did on my Tyros 5  and what has caused problems with the 2 Genos I have here since weeks.

1
I put a different style under each button - please excuse the unprofessional expression.

2
I make every knob start with the intro of that exchanged style  to have an interlude as what I dislike most about today's music is that to me - the fossil - it is too monotonous. (It starts with Genos having a lot of  two bar  styles. My Lowrey MX 1 had 4 and even 8 bar styles  nearly 40 years ago)

3
As you know there are absolutely fantastic intros  on the Genos and some are 8 bars long.  Some of them have too many instruments, so I go to style creator and silence some voices putting for instance  the PANEL sliders to zero and save that "NEW" intro in the style.

4
In case there is a distortion guitar I try to find a less obnoxious voice and exchange that in the intro. Then  I save the doctored style by overwriting the old version. I control memorization by going to my style file folder, starting the style by its intro.

5
I like variations in volume both for the style and the melody under  many a knob and save that for each knob. In to-days discos they keep the volume constant at 95 dB so again I am doing something Genos was not designed to do.

6
From knob 5 on I usually save the transpose knob one half note higher as I dislike hearing a song in the same pitch for very long.  Louis Armstrong contrary to to-day's musicians used to do that very often. But of course heavy metal is a different kind of noise. 

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Then I quite often change the speed, especial the speed under the last knob for the ending to go slow. 

I did all this "doctoring" to your bank  and played it. Everything was less beautiful - the experiment was not to compete with you -but as intended.
I saved it.

Guess what, already on the first reopening a lot of things were missing and worst of all the careful settings of volume balance between style and right hand was messed up.
Some kind person on this site wrote – I believe I did thank him but cannot find him right now -  he felt I might  be "overloading the buttons" 

Maybe that is the problem, it's like with my old brain, I can remember simple things but when things get complicated I am in trouble.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Lee Batchelor]

Maybe that is the problem, it's like with my old brain, I can remember simple things but when things get complicated I am in trouble.

It's a big club, Kaarlo. Don't feel bad !! At least we're not dealing with the lunacy of Microsoft! I make my living using their crap - believe me, Yamaha are experts in comparison! But I digress...what was the subject ?

[Fred Smith]

Kaarlo,

You should post your registration here, so we can take a look at it, and help you find out what's wrong.

Fred

[EileenL]

I am sure you are not overloading registration buttons as mainly you are saving links to things such as voices and styles.
Do make sure that when saving your registrations you do not have your parameter lock on. Once you have completed your bank then put it on and it will make sure that if you load in a rouge registration it will not alter your settings.
As Fred says it would be best if you upload a registration that we can look at and try to see what is going wrong.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

I am sure you are not overloading registration buttons as mainly you are saving links to things such as voices and styles.
Do make sure that when saving your registrations you do not have your parameter lock on. Once you have completed your bank then put it on and it will make sure that if you load in a rouge registration it will not alter your settings.
As Fred says it would be best if you upload a registration that we can look at and try to see what is going wrong.

Thank Eileen and Fred,

you are always a great asset for those who have problems. As a fact I just 20  minutes ago tried to send photos, but after I had loaded the attachments - which did take some time as I failed to grasp that you cannot attach a folder and have to attach the files and then ran into the problem of putting in too much - but finally it seemed to work out. But then I got the message the attachment had not passed security, contact the administrator whom I finally found, so I sent a message. Hopefully I will get a reply. But anyway I will try now to send the photo of your working reg file and of what I get for mine. Will be interesting to see if it again bounces....... got the same message about security 

Thanks

Kaarlo

[Fred Smith]

you are always a great asset for those who have problems. As a fact I just 20  minutes ago tried to send photos, but after I had loaded the attachments - which did take some time as I failed to grasp that you cannot attach a folder and have to attach the files and then ran into the problem of putting in too much - but finally it seemed to work out. But then I got the message the attachment had not passed security, contact the administrator whom I finally found, so I sent a message. Hopefully I will get a reply. But anyway I will try now to send the photo of your working reg file and of what I get for mine. Will be interesting to see if it again bounces....... got the same message about security 

Don't send the photo. Send the registration.

Fred

[EileenL]

As Fred says photos are no use we need to hear the registration. Just attach it like I did.