Re: Genos New Firmware Upgrade Requests

[vanray]

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[torben]

Good point Vanray - except that the audio file is auto-saved immediately. But if you need to rename it, move it, delete it etc. you have to go through the 3 steps mentioned above ...

Torben

[EileenL]

I don't see this as a problem and it takes no longer than on Tyros 5.

[Dromeus]

There are quite a few of these annoyances in the new OS. When I want to edit a MIDI file that is loaded in the player I have to reload it into the editor. When I finished editing, it's gone in the player. In the player there is no "edit" item in the context menu. etc etc. Only a few additional clicks for sure, but I feel it doesn't help putting a lipstick on a pig. It indicates a poor design and a world class company should not deliver such a UI to their customers.

[markstyles]

The Tyros 5 had a measure counter next to displaying chord detect when chord and clock was coming from a DAW..  That measure counter was  important to know when to hit a fill, or new variation.. The Genos has taken the measure counter out..  I miss it REALLY BADLY..  This instrument was supposed to be more studio useable, Removing the external measure counter, makes it LESS so.

[Dromeus]

Ha Ha thats funny !

Marvellous. I keep telling my friends that I NEVER make any jokes. In fact, that's a joke  Get the picture? 

Another fact ist that I'm a long-time loyal follower of Yamaha products. The Genos is my 7th Yamaha keyboard/synth I owned (besides some other Yammie gear). But it doesn't keep me from speaking out where Yamaha could do better  .

Yes, I really hope for fixes in the forthcoming firmware and I would appreciate even new functions in later versions.

[Fred Smith]

In the registration sequencer, you can specify that at the end of the sequence, it goes to the next registration.

When using this in a Playlist, it should go to the next song in the Playlist (currently it goes to the next registration in alphabetical order, making it impossible to step through a Playlist).

Fred

[valimaties]

I don't see this as a problem and it takes no longer than on Tyros 5.

Why problems of other does not represent a problem who needs a little bit attention from Yamaha Team?! For you nothing represents problem. If you can make that thing from "x" movements it's ok for you. OMG, you are unbelievable!
You don't find necessary, maybe because you have all the time in the world, but we are in the "Speed era" we need speed in operability, and if that problem solved represent more timeless process, that is an improvement in Genos operability!

Good approach vanray!
Thank you for your suggestions!


Regards,
Vali!

[EileenL]

I only speak as I find as indeed we all do, but surely a little time spent getting used to this new keyboard and some of the things that are different would help a lot. All I see is "This is different must get Yamaha to fix it"
   Sounds like some would like the whole keyboard altered back to how it was. I was not in favour of a touch screen but most were. Now we find the operation on some things is different because it probably has to be and everyone want's updates. Dose no one prepare for there gigs now by setting up registration banks that contain everything you want at one button push. If I want to alter or edit something I am prepared to spend the time it takes to get what I want. that way I also learn the best way of doing it. You have to slow down sometimes And no I don't have all the time in the world but I make time at nearly 82 for my keyboard.

[Dromeus]

All I see is "This is different must get Yamaha to fix it". Sounds like some would like the whole keyboard altered back to how it was.

I don't think so, Eileen. I love the touch screen and it makes live easier, and certainly I don't want a roll back. But the new UI has some flaws, and it's not because of the touch screen, but because Yamaha decided to implement it in an unconsistent fashion. For example:

When you select a Multi Pad, you may select Edit from the context menu. Perfect.

If you do the same process when selecting a MIDI file, you don't find Edit in the context menu. Instead you have to go to Menu, Menu2, song creator, blah blah..., then later reload it to the song player. Makes it very cumbersome to use, and it's a drawback compared to the Tyros. This can be fixed and I hop Yamaha will do so.

Another example: in the Tyros it was possible to put the song player in sync start mode by pressing two buttons. Both buttons still exist at the Genos but the sync start function is available only in the touch screen. This function has been removed without need. I'm afraid it will not come in a Firmware update, because there is no appropriate labeling on the Genos...

Let's hope that the flaws will be fixed and the good suggestions will be implemented. Will make an excellent machine even better .

[Bud2]

There is one thing I think was on the Home screen of the Tyros, that was the chord you were playing, now on the Genos Home screen you don't have this. Please correct me if I am remembering this wrongly. Thanks. 
Bill

[strandkam]

Bud2

Of course you can see the chord you are playing on the home screen.

[Dromeus]

when you boost the compressor in the genos, it ADDS VOLUME thats wrong.

Well, Yamaha arrangers have a history of mysterious Master Compressor parameters, above all they got changed overtime. I guess it's done to make it "easier" for the "average user", but in the end it just adds to the confusion. The Compression parameter - according to the reference manual - changes the classic parameters Threshold, Ratio and Soft Knee ALL TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. Beg your pardon? How this is done is a complete mystery. The parameter "Texture" just adds to the confusion: "Adds natural characteristics to the effect. The higher the value, the lighter it becomes." Any questions?

Why can't Yamaha stick to the well known and proved compressor parameters?

[Joe H]

I don't have a Genos, but I agree with the posts above that both the Chord Type display and Bar Count display in the Main screen are essential to me as a player especially when I'm using the arpeggiator.

Joe  H

[Bill]

There is one thing I think was on the Home screen of the Tyros, that was the chord you were playing, now on the Genos Home screen you don't have this. Please correct me if I am remembering this wrongly. Thanks. 
Bill

Hi Bill

Yes it was on the Tyros and it IS STILL on the Genos.  It is now inside the Style box at the left hand side (when you have the Accompaniment turns on.

Bill

[valimaties]

Hi Bill

Yes it was on the Tyros and it IS STILL on the Genos.  It is now inside the Style box at the left hand side (when you have the Accompaniment turns on.

Bill

Yes it is there, Paul mention it on a post with a picture assigned to his post, but the BAR Counter does not exists anymore on Genos. You don't know for example how many measures from an intro there are till Main starts.

[Bud2]

Thanks, silly me, I had not got the Acmp button pressed when I tried it and most times while I have ben playing with the Acmp on I was not in the homw screen. Must be my age or "should have gone to Specsavers doh.

[keynote]

I have a request for Yamaha. When using the multi-pads you have the option to use up to four multi-pads at a time. Let's say you enable 3 of them and these are looped samples so they play continuously. Now let's say you want to turn one of the three multi-pads off so just two are playing. In order to do that you need to stop all three using the 'Stop' button and then re-enable the two you want back on.  This is inconvenient and really sort of illogical. Instead it would be more convenient and better to be able to "press" the multi-pad itself you want off and/or back on instead of using the 'Stop' button to turn them all off and then re-enabling the ones you want back on. So instead of having to use the 'Stop' button in order to change the multi-pads from on to off, using the individual buttons themselves to turn them off and back on if necessary would be more convenient and a more logical approach in my opinion.

Mike

[zionip]

Hi Mike,

I totally agree with you on this.  It is much more intuitive that the press of the multipad buttons to toggle between on and off, instead of having to press the stop button to stop all multipads, then press some of the multipad buttons to resume.

Paul

[tyrosaurus]

When more than one multi pad is playing you should be able to stop specific ones by simply holding down the MP Stop button and then pressing the button of the MP that you want to stop!

This is exactly the same function as on numerous Tyros and PSR-S models, and is included on page 70 of the Genos Owner's manual.   

Does this not work on Genos!


Regards

Ian

[EileenL]

Just hold the stop button and press the one you want off. It has been this way on most other Yamaha keyboards.
  We seem to have posted at the same time. Yes it dose work on Genos.

[zionip]

Yes, the stop + specific multi pad button to turn off that multi pad works.

Thanks,
Paul

[Joe H]

I spoke with Yamaha support several years ago about how they implemented the Multi Pad Start/ Stop.  The way it works is the STOP message is transmitted to the OS with the RELEASE of the STOP button... not the PRESS.  That's why when you want to stop one of the 4 buttons from playing, you press the Stop button then the Multi Pad button you want to stop... then RELEASE the Stop button.

I don't like the way they did this.. but that's how it works.  So I incorporated the Pad Stopper file in my registrations so everything works as it should when I arrange a piece of music using a registration bank.

Joe H

[tyrosaurus]

I spoke with Yamaha support several years ago about how they implemented the Multi Pad Start/ Stop.  The way it works is the STOP message is transmitted to the OS with the RELEASE of the STOP button... not the PRESS.  That's why when you want to stop one of the 4 buttons from playing, you press the Stop button then the Multi Pad button you want to stop... then RELEASE the Stop button.

Hi Joe H,

Although you are correct about the point at which MPs turn off when you simply press and release the Stop button (pads stop when Stop button is released),  on my Tyros4 when multiple pads are playing and you hold down the Stop button, the pad that you want to stop, stops as soon as you press it's button, leaving the others playing.  You don't have to release the Stop button before the pad stops!


Regards

Ian

[Bud2]

This is not easy for anyone who wants to do this "on the fly" while playing though, surely not difficult to alter this in the OS, they had the chance while producing the Genos.
Bill

[keynote]

When more than one multi pad is playing you should be able to stop specific ones by simply holding down the MP Stop button and then pressing the button of the MP that you want to stop!

Regards

Ian

Well that's good to know Ian. I guess I overlooked that part of the manual. Still, as Bill pointed out, doing it on the fly is a little inconvenient in my opinion. You're pressing two buttons, the stop button and the MP button, and your finger (depending on which one you want to stop) has to extend a ways especially if you want to turn off the first MP. It would be more convenient just to be able to press the individual MP once to turn on and once to turn off instead of also having to press the Stop button as it is now. A software update should be able to accomplish this I would think. The Stop button would still be useful of course i.e. if you wanted to turn all the ones that are on off at the same time.

Mike

[Joe H]

Hi Joe H,

Although you are correct about the point at which MPs turn off when you simply press and release the Stop button (pads stop when Stop button is released),  on my Tyros4 when multiple pads are playing and you hold down the Stop button, the pad that you want to stop, stops as soon as you press it's button, leaving the others playing.  You don't have to release the Stop button before the pad stops!


Regards

Ian

Well that just goes to show us some differences (one of many) between the Tyros and PSR Operating Systems.  With this new knowledge, I'm surprised that it works differently. But there other functions that are different as well.  Sounds like the Genos works like the PSRs.

BTW... When I suggest to Yamaha Tech Support I thought it should work as... toggle On/Off for each Mutli Pad button the response was... that's how YOU think it should work, but it works the way it works.  I thought about it a lot, and trust the programmer was probably right.  Better design would have been dedicated On / Off buttons like with the style Part On / Off.  So I think it came down to cost of reducing the number of buttons.  I'm only guessing here.  We can only speculate as to why things are designed the way they are.  It may have been an issue of adding the Multi Pads to decades old code.   

As I said elsewhere, I believe the Genos OS was a complete re-write of the firmware code. Specifically to do a better job of updates rather than patching the old code.

Joe H

[rbackes]

Hi,

I also have two or three wishes:

1. When working with registration banks and saving them (because you have changed something), you press the two regbank buttons or the upper part of the home screen, then the file nemu, then save, then save here, then OK to confirm the name, then Yes to overwrite the older version.
It would be much simpler, if we have two menu entries in the file menu: SAVE and SAVE AS. SAVE simply saves (and overwrites) the regbank, SAVE AS works as SAVE before. A save button on the Home Screen in the Registration Bank Area would be the absolute luxus.

2. When storing registrations using the Memory-Button + Reg Button, you get an Selection dialog, what to store in that registration. When changing that dialog (setting or removing marks) Genos remembers that for the next store (no matter what registration you store). It would be nice when I could get the same selection that I used to store that given registration before.
I currently use one Regbank per song. Registration 1 sets the whole environment for the song. With the following registrations I only store what I have changed (e.g. voice, transposer, volume settings etc.)

3. When loading Regbanks, I would like to have registration 1 activated automaticly.

Hope that someone @Yamaha reads this....

Yours

Rainer

[Dromeus]

@Rainer: thumbs up for wishes 1+2 ! But I think number 3 is not a good idea. Keeps you from loading a different reg bank while you are still performing.

[rbackes]

@Dromeus: You're right with my wish #3. That should be configurable. Songbook+ and MobileSheetsPro react on the Regbank loading as Genos emits a Sy*** at loading.

Rainer