Jørgen the Genos Styles cut out the VH settings .. Help Please.

[DrakeM]

I downloaded the program Style Format 2 Converter just yesterday and it is version 1.19

I have tried several Genos styles and I still get the Error message each time.

Did something change from version 1.18 to 1.19 that is causing the error message I am getting now?

Regards
Drake

[Patrick]

Hi Drake, here're the 38 CTRY GNS SFF1 styles, all the best Patrick

PS Thanks to Jorgen Software

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[Jørgen]

I downloaded the program Style Format 2 Converter just yesterday and it is version 1.19

I have tried several Genos styles and I still get the Error message each time.

Did something change from version 1.18 to 1.19 that is causing the error message I am getting now?

Regards
Drake

Hi Drake

Have just downloaded... and there is an error...

Strange as this not happens in my development version... Searching for the cause right now...

Has uploaded ver. 1.18 again... at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sf2c/index.htm

Sorry for the inconvenience...

Jørgen

[Jørgen]

Hi

Error found... and corrected...

Ver. 1.20 ready for download... http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sf2c/index.htm

Jørgen

[DrakeM]

I have removed the 1.19 version and installed the 1.18 version but I now get this message:

AcousticBluegrass.T554.prs is not a style format 2 file.

Which of course it isn't, it is a new Genos style.

[Jørgen]

Hi
Yes... something strange happend in ver. 1.19. Despite the error message it looks like the conversion actually worked... and the format was changed to SFF1.
The original styles in Genos are SFF2.
I suggest you install software ver. 1.20 and then start over using the ORIGINAL style file.
I will continue examination tomorrow. The time is 4 in the morning here right now...
Jørgen

[pjd]

Hi folks --

The conversion discussion seems to float around!

I wrote a small experiment's kit (i.e., a Java program) that remaps MIDI note numbers and velocities in one step. The note mapper is driven by two files: a key (note number) map and a velocity map. You can edit the map files to your heart's content.

The experimenter's kit, including source code, is at: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/java-note-mapper-v0-1/

All the best -- pj

[DrakeM]

Hi Jørgen

I have update to version 1.20 and I was able to convert a couple Genos styles to the older format to test them out. However, I found that the MIC setting are still not recognized after the conversion.

Some thing has been switched around in the Genos styles that is blocking the VH2 MIC settings from being picked up.

The Genos styles can all be reworked to sound great, they are just not usable if you want to use the Vocal Harmony or other Reverb mic setting with them.

Regards
Drake

[pjd]

Hi Drake --

Have you deleted the extra Sy*** messages that set up Genos DSP effects?

Some of those messages may be configuring DSP4, which is used by the MIC/VH on PSR-S950. On Genos, DSP4 is used as a style part insert effect.

I haven't seen any other messages that may be interfering with VH. If you have a specific troublesome style file, please post it here and I'll take a look inside.

Thanks for all of your hard work -- pj

[DrakeM]

Hi pj

I have no idea what the Sy*** is or what program is need to tweak it (or located on the keyboard). I have never dealt with any thing like that before.

As to a problem style ... all the Genos styles are the problem .. lol.

I will attach one for you.

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[Jørgen]

Hi

There is a timing error in the file - in the end of Ending B - check attached image...

Try to delete this part in my Style Remixer software found at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sremix/index.htm

MIGHT solve the problem...

Jørgen

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[Patrick]

Hi Drake i've checked the Genos styles using VH and they worked fine on S970, several H settings tryed all where playing like before; Yours CNTRY styles too; I hope you'll have soon the solution, have a nice weekend Patrick

[DrakeM]

Hi  Jørgen

I tried a couple things with the "Style Remixer":

First I saved the style without any of the 3 endings .. still there was no harmony

Next I saved the style without any of the Intros and Endings ... still there was no harmony.



Hi Patrick

Glad to hear this is not an issue for S970 users.

Regards
Drake

[Ed B]

Drake I tried one and it worked fine as well in the 970.
Best
Ed B

[Jørgen]

Hi

I can not test as my S750 has no VH...

But it sounds pretty strange that you have problems and more S970 users find no problems...

BTW: My programs "Style ReMixer"; "Revo Drum Cleaner" and "Style Split and Splice" do NOT touch any Sy*** commands...

Jørgen

[Jørgen]

Hi

Revo Drum Cleaner software ver. 2.0 - Now with built in Remap Editor...

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/rdclean/index.htm

Merry Xmas

Jørgen

[pjd]

I have no idea what the Sy*** is or what program is need to tweak it (or located on the keyboard). I have never dealt with any thing like that before.  As to a problem style ... all the Genos styles are the problem .. lol.

Hi Drake --

After dumping and inspecting the style file, I didn't find any hidden secrets. NashPop -- like all of the Genos styles --  use extra DSPs for the part insertion effects, including DSP4. I suspect DSP4 because that DSP is used by the MIC/VH on PSR-S950.

There are two files attached. One file (NashPop.txt) contains my notes including a list of all the System Exclusive (Sy***) messages in the original Genos file. A PSR-S950 style does not have any of those message labelled "EFFECT2".

The other file (NashPop_No_Effect2.sty)  is a style file that has the EFFECT2 messages stripped out. Please try that style file and let me know if you get the same conflict with Vocal Harmony.

Thanks for sending the file. It helped a lot.

Take care -- pj


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[DrakeM]

Hi PJ

Thanks for taking a looking into this issue.

I tried the "NashPop_No_Effect2.sty" this morning but the mic settings still are not recognized on my S950 keyboard.

Regards
Drake

[DrakeM]

I was wondering if this is a issue with using the S970 styles in my S950 keyboard.

The one Country style that I have which came out new in the S970 also blocks out the mic settings.

I then checked out 8 of the new styles in the S970 "Pop & Rock" section. Of the 8 that I tested only 2 of them blocked out the mic settings.

Next I tested a few of the new styles that came out with the T5 (from 2013) and 3 of the 4 that I tested blocked the mic settings.

So, there was a change to the styles going back to the T5 but I never picked up on it because I custom make each style I use. I guess I have just been fortunate to have never begun creating a custom style using one of these newer models styles, or I would have discovered this Yamaha change sooner.

Regards
Drake

[pjd]

Thanks for taking a looking into this issue.

I tried the "NashPop_No_Effect2.sty" this morning but the mic settings still are not recognized on my S950 keyboard.

Hi Drake --

Hmmm, that leaves me stumped. The NashPop_no_Effect2 style doesn't have anything in it that wouldn't be in a PSR-S950 style.

I am working with a converted Genos style and the style Cuts out all the mic settings to a clean & clear sound. weird

Could you perhaps say a little more about what the MIC settings should be and then what the MIC settings become? I have an S950, but don't use the VH/MIC, so any info you can pass along might help me to reproduce the problem.

The only crazy thought that I have is that the S950 can't cope with a reverb unit effect type that it doesn't know about and this somehow freaks out the MIC settings. The reverb effect in the NashPop style is the "Real Medium Plate." I'm grasping at straws...

I'd love to solve this mystery -- pj