MIDI to Style

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Joe

If someone takes this program on and develop it properly it would blow away the competition.
I could not understand when i had exceptions that it was suggested that i use winamp.
With a program £200 i was not happy at that and it did not work properly when i tried it.
Midisoft is a great program but stylemaking isa little long winded and difficult deciding where everything lands up at CM7.
When EMC Styleworks was working great with the Tyros you just had to choose what you want and and add the bar count to each section.
Then just shift the song until correct. it took about 30 minutes to get somthing decent from a midi file.
I still cannot fathom out why i got that exception box keep popping up every time i chose a midi file. ( error:  INVALID_DEVICE_NAME 263() when importing a midi file into Yamaha emc styleworks)
The Java  Midi-to-Style. I got a Null pointer exception . I could never solve that. I am really not a big fan of Java programs. I am not having a go at program as it does work for others. Computers seem to like what they want and have a mind of their own. I run quite a few programs and vst with no problems at all.
It does not happen with Midisoft, so i stuck with that for now, but i mainly use it to change styles, effects and volumes or change the order of things.
I now tend to buy Style files from  https://www.d-o-o.de/
I then change them to my liking. This does save a lot of bother.

I wonder how Yamaha makes styles ?? I would like to see their programs.


All the Best
John

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi John, thank you for your reply and the post about Mr Grosser is Klaus Grosser, condolences go out from me also!!

I have reported on PayPal so i may need to leave it for a week or 2 and follow up again

In the meantime, i may try some of your suggestions all much appreicated

Kind Regards

Dave

Hi Dave
I know it is tragic to hear that Klaus is no longer here, but they do have a so called tech department.
To get the Universal, you have paid out a considerable sum of money and i hope that you are covered by paying with a credit card.
EMC Styleworks is a business after all and you should be entitled to a refund if not happy. Especially if there is no more backing for the program.
Normally with goods there is a 14 day cooling period.
I do not know whether they will disolve the business , but i would not hang around too long as they may have no more further obligation.
My program was just the XT Yamaha one and that was £200. After the Tyros i did not have much luck with this program, so i gave up as a lesson to learn.


All the Best
John

[Joe H]

John,

you wrote: If someone takes this program on and develop it properly it would blow away the competition

I can say the same thing about Style Factory... it is a fantastic way to create new styles from the "Phrase Library" built into the program. (several thousand phrases) You can also extract phrases from any style (using XG or GM2 Voices... a bug) you load into the program and add new phrases (and new categories of phrases) to the Phrase Library.

I bought a copy of Style Factory last year.  It has several bugs in it (the most serious is it does not save the CASM settings correctly... I have to run the style through StyleMagic to fix the CASM settings) and I had to rewrite the manual to make sense out of the program. I also have to do several "work-arounds" to use it effectively.  The program does not support the PSR S970 but I found a way to make it work with the S970 instrument definition file (tricked the program by replacing T3 file with the S970 file) and also got it working with my several expansion pack Voices. 

Klaus was not interested in fixing the bugs.  It's too bad.  My personal issue is that if my computer quits working I will have to reinstall the program from scratch which requires a 2 PIN copy protection scheme in which Klaus provided the PIN 2 after registering the program on line so the program would boot. I will try cloning my MIDI machine HD and hopefully the program will run on the clone drive.

I'm waiting for a response to the email I sent today to EMC.

Joe H

[usaraiya]

There will not be any response from EMC as Klaus was EMC, no one else!
I sent him numerous emails over the last 2 months, and obviously, there was NO response, sad!
I don't foresee any support for Style works.



Uday

[DMT Dave]

Hi Joe H yes please if you have Klaus AOL Email would be fab

[Jørgen]

 Hi
For learning to convert midi to style using my midi2style software please read http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/howto.htm
The examples will teach you the bacis in the process.
Regards
Jørgen

[Joe H]

Hi Joe H yes please if you have Klaus AOL Email would be fab

I just checked, it's the same as his website:  emcsoftware@aol.com

I've asked someone located in Germany if they could try to establish a contact with a Klaus associate or family member.  I'm waiting to hear back. It's a long shot though. I'm not hopeful.

Joe H

[DMT Dave]

Hi Joe, thank you, will keep a watch on your posts

Much appreciated

[DMT Dave]

Hello Jorgen, thank you for sending the help on Midi2Style, i think on my part a lack of understanding the method

I am stuck on what values and how to add the values as attached

In your demo for Under The Boardwalk, you have values in Into A,B,C,D Main A, B,C and D of 1/1-1/2-1/4 Mains > A 26/4 >> B 19/4 >> C 36/4 >> D 48/4

What are the first part of these values ? i guess it the bar number ? and how do i add them from Part Selector as you can see i can only get one value ?

Thank you and sorry for being naive


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[DMT Dave]

Hi Jorgen, this is the part i am struggling how to add voice settings ??



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[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

John,

you wrote: If someone takes this program on and develop it properly it would blow away the competition

I can say the same thing about Style Factory... it is a fantastic way to create new styles from the "Phrase Library" built into the program. (several thousand phrases) You can also extract phrases from any style (using XG or GM2 Voices... a bug) you load into the program and add new phrases (and new categories of phrases) to the Phrase Library.

I bought a copy of Style Factory last year.  It has several bugs in it (the most serious is it does not save the CASM settings correctly... I have to run the style through StyleMagic to fix the CASM settings) and I had to rewrite the manual to make sense out of the program. I also have to do several "work-arounds" to use it effectively.  The program does not support the PSR S970 but I found a way to make it work with the S970 instrument definition file (tricked the program by replacing T3 file with the S970 file) and also got it working with my several expansion pack Voices. 

Klaus was not interested in fixing the bugs.  It's too bad.  My personal issue is that if my computer quits working I will have to reinstall the program from scratch which requires a 2 PIN copy protection scheme in which Klaus provided the PIN 2 after registering the program on line so the program would boot. I will try cloning my MIDI machine HD and hopefully the program will run on the clone drive.

I'm waiting for a response to the email I sent today to EMC.

Joe H

Hi Joe
Get yourself a terrabyte usb external drive           I have two external drives and put a backup on each so that i can regularly update and have a previous image just in case or what if..
On Windows 10 go to Control Panel
Choose File History


Go to bottom of page and select System Image Backup

Finally Create Sytem Image

You will get a pop up box and it will find your new drive, then follow instructions and your whole computer and everything on will be saved including a partition drive, D in my case.
At the end it will say success do you want to create a boot cd.

You have to make sure you keep the image on the drive saved to or things will not work when you want  Recover your drive.

When you want to recover your drive -----------restore

Go to Start
Gear wheel symbol-- Settings

Update and Security

Recovery

Restart Now

You now have blue screen and on it press    Troubleshoot

now press    See more recovery options at the bottom of screen

Now press System Image Recovery

The screen will go black . Do not be alarmed and just wait until machine restarts  and eventally goes to a blue screen with your computer name in white box.

Press that box and you will get SYSTEM IMAGE RECOVERY SCREEN appear
The scary bit and the one that gets people confused is how do i select password.
No worries . Leave it blank and press CONTINUE

Now you get a re-image screen appear and now you see the drive that you have plugged in with your system image.
Press next  and next again and you will get a screen to say
RECOVER IMAGE

Press start and if you have a lot of gigs on your computer it can take a few hours to re image.
This works every time for me  and at the end it will say success and do you want a cd boot disc made and that is for a computer that will not boot up.
i have never used a boot disc as computers now are pretty stable until a component fails.
For me, if a computer lasts 5 years at least i will buy a new one.

This saves your entire computer and operating windows 10 program and also allows you to transfer that when your computer goes bonk.

You might know all of this Joe but this may help others to save the day if they get into deep trouble on thir computers.

All the Best
John

[Jørgen]

Hi Jorgen, this is the part i am struggling how to add voice settings ??

Hi
Pease read at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/midi2style/howto.htm

Step 4. Select parts and Step 5. Select voices.
Styles can hold a maximum of 8 channels (voices). You have to decide which MIDI channels to use for the style channels (bass, chord etc.)
Click the coloured field below heading Voices (melody voices) or Drums (drum sets)

Jørgen

[kharri]

Unfortunately EMC Styleworks was also copy protected and would only work on a single machine. Once the machine dies, or something changes in the machine the program will no longer work.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Not if you make a system image

[Roger Brenizer]

Not if you make a system image

Our members need to heed your advice and backup their systems with "System Image", John. 

I have multiple systems and they are all backed up with system images.

[Joe H]

What software do we need to do that.  Is that burning an image to a DVD? Does the system image only include the OS or all programs and data. 

I mentioned above that I intend to clone my MIDI machine HD that will make a verbatim copy of the OS, all executable files, the registry and all data files.  The software I use is easeUS DiskCopy. My MIDI machine has 2 partitions.  Drive C contains the Windows 7 OS and MOST programs.  Drive D contains a few programs and all data files (which are backed up regularly to a USB back up drive).

Joe H

[Roger Brenizer]

What software do we need to do that.  Is that burning an image to a DVD? Does the system image only include the OS or all programs and data. 

I mentioned above that I intend to clone my MIDI machine HD that will make a verbatim copy of the OS, all executable files, the registry and all data files.  The software I use is easeUS DiskCopy. My MIDI machine has 2 partitions.  Drive C contains the Windows 7 OS and MOST programs.  Drive D contains a few programs and all data files (which are backed up regularly to a USB back up drive).

Joe H

I use AOMEI Backupper Professional, Joe.  There are many good alternatives to this software and I've used several other programs too, but I like this one for ease of use and it's fairly fast too.  The link follows and you can decide if this is for you or not. 

https://www.aomeitech.com/aomei-backupper.html

[Joe H]

Thanks Roger,

I see the software does cloning too.  I like simple.

I bought a brand new (backup - replacement) mother board for my MIDI machine and my everyday PC and I've cloned my personal everyday machine.  My windows 7 MIDI machine is all I will ever need.  It is off-line almost all of the time.

With an extra mb and a clone HD, plus backed up data files on an external USB 3 HD I should be in good shape for years to come.  I can hardly wait to see if my EMC Style Factory program will run on the clone HD.  I also bought a second dongle for my StyleMagic software in the event that the USB dongle gets corrupted.



Joe H

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Joe

The Windows 10  Back up is 100%.
It always works for me
The main thing is to not change the name of the folder that your back up is in. Always leave the folder alone or the computer will not find the backup.
I made a mistake once in naming my folder to my computer name and moved it to another drive with a backup on my second machine. Disaster for me that was.
Like I said get a couple of terrabyte drives as double backup  so you can always up date one and also have the previous on for that just in case scenario.
This way you always have one back up to go back to if the System image fails (A what if guarantee).
It will save you hours and hours of heartache if you have problems or motherboard and component failure. Computers in my view are good for 5 years of constant use Maybe more if you are lucky. By that time a new computer built for music is the way to go. Eileen once said to me  "You cant take it with you". You would need a 5D computer!!
Ok a couple of decent drives for just over £100, but what a life saver. Also you can keep all of your Genos and music things on them.,but do not mess with back up folders.
In trouble , just re-image
Also great for a new machine if old on fails.
Everything the way it was ,even with the Windows 10 Operating system. The whole lot.
Once you get used to it ,it will be a breeze,but if in trouble , just ask.
No need to buy other re-image programs ,Win 10 is good.

All the best
John

[Dave Nuttall]

I use AOMEI Backupper Professional, Joe.  There are many good alternatives to this software and I've used several other programs too, but I like this one for ease of use and it's fairly fast too.  The link follows and you can decide if this is for you or not. 

https://www.aomeitech.com/aomei-backupper.html

Roger,
A "TechRadar" review claims AOMEI Backupper Pro does NOT do a  good job with LONG filenames.
Have you experienced that?

Thanks.
Dave

[Jørgen]

Unfortunately EMC Styleworks was also copy protected and would only work on a single machine. Once the machine dies, or something changes in the machine the program will no longer work.

Hi
In the old days - really old days about 20 years ago - you just had to delete a file with the "ini" extension in the windows folder to start over.
I can not remember the excact file name.
After some tests of the program during the years at that time, I deleted the program, as it was awfully buggy...

Regards
Jørgen

[Roger Brenizer]

Roger,
A "TechRadar" review claims AOMEI Backupper Pro does NOT do a  good job with LONG filenames.
Have you experienced that?

Thanks.
Dave

Hi Dave,

No, I haven't experienced that, because I don't use the file backup part of their program.  I only use AOMEI Backupper to create system images.

I use batch files I've written to do file backups, which are simultaneously sent to 5 different drives, Dave.

[Joe H]

Roger,

Please clarify.  When you say "system images" is that just the Windows OS? I want to clone the entire hd including all OS, registry, programs and data files on both partitions C and D.  When I say clone I mean create an image on DVD or clone to an other bootable hard drive that I can install in the machine and it will boot just like the original hd.

Joe H

[Roger Brenizer]

Roger,

Please clarify.  When you say "system images" is that just the Windows OS? I want to clone the entire hd including all OS, registry, programs and data files on both partitions C and D.  When I say clone I mean create an image on DVD or clone to an other bootable hard drive that I can install in the machine and it will boot just like the original hd.

Joe H

Hi Joe,

I create a system image and subsequently create incremental system images to restore my SSD to it's present state, in the event of an SSD failure.  This creates an image of the OS, registry, programs and data files.

I have used the Clone process in the past, but now only create system images.

Here's as explanation of these two different processes:

https://www.windowscentral.com/hard-drive-imaging-vs-cloning-whats-difference

[Joe H]

Roger,

Thanks for the link.  I will read it through completely.  I think though I really want to stick to cloning my HD.  That way I will have a "spare" backup HD, a "spare" backup mother board and an additional data file back up on an external USB 3 HD.

I don't want or need a new OS or faster computer for MIDI... I like what I have now.

Joe H

[DMT Dave]

Hi Jorgen, thank you, i have manged to save the midi 2 Style, it's not sounding great but a conversion was successful.

I think i need to understand the perfect or very close to perfect method by understanding how or more so what to select in values etc, is there any optimize option so the result will auto fill individual field values ?

Kind Regards

Dave

[DMT Dave]

I Guess my question is from my last post is how do you know what values to add in here

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[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Roger,

Thanks for the link.  I will read it through completely.  I think though I really want to stick to cloning my HD.  That way I will have a "spare" backup HD, a "spare" backup mother board and an additional data file back up on an external USB 3 HD.

I don't want or need a new OS or faster computer for MIDI... I like what I have now.

Joe H

Hi joe
I laid everything out for you and explained every step. Windows 10 System Image is 100% good. It is in Win 10
A system image is what it says. It clones your whole drives and you can image your machine  or a new one with it.
Just follow all the steps i outlined.
You do not have to pay for a program to image your drives.
It is easy to do once you get used to the steps to make the image  and to re-image your computer.
All of your programs, music files and Win 10 operating system is cloned. In other words , the whole works is contained in the image.


Before you settle on a USB drive  take note of how much your drives contain in Gigabytes. I mean your whole computer.
You may need a terrabyte drive.
Making a system Image can take a few hours to complete. It all depends how large your drives are.

All the best
John

[Joe H]

John,

I appreciate your suggestions, but you should realize that what you want and what works for you may not apply to another person's wants or needs.  Your quote of me to Roger above explains my needs. It's what works for ME! For MIDI... I'm not going to Windows 10... ever!

Thanks anyway.



Joe H

[Oldden]

Hi Joe H.
No need to ever go to windows 10. Looks like windows 11 will be here in about a month....maybe good...maybe bad.