"Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off"

[alans]

OK Paul

I'll try mine tomorrow with USB stick in the top/front position ,I can't remember if there was  one in TBH,but it definately worked at least 3 times

Regards

Alan

[DavidB]

Another theory for you...

The standy button doesn't fully power down the keyboard and so after changing these settings you must physically remove the power and reboot.

Worth a try?

[zionip]

Another theory for you...

The standy button doesn't fully power down the keyboard and so after changing these settings you must physically remove the power and reboot.

Worth a try?

Thanks David.  I already tried many times, still same result, these 2 options not working on my Genos from day one.

Paul

[alans]

Just an update on auto off,my Genos did switch off on auto with a USB stick connected to top/front position

Alan

[EileenL]

Mine has not worked since doing the OS update.

[Kurt]

Hello
I have found that Auto power off works if and when the Sub is turned off.

Regards
Kurtso

[jwyvern]

The OS on my Genos in the UK is version 1.10 and the auto power off still works.
John

[dragon]

Kirtso, I have a non working auto power off Genos, UK, software 1.10. I have tried with the speaker switched off and waited for the keyboard to power off but no joy. Tried all suggested fixes but they have not worked.
Cheers Carol

[zionip]

Kirtso, I have a non working auto power off Genos, UK, software 1.10. I have tried with the speaker switched off and waited for the keyboard to power off but no joy. Tried all suggested fixes but they have not worked.
Cheers Carol

Hi Carol,

My US Genos is like yours, at firmware revision 1.10, it has its own mind to always stay up, ignores the "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" options, with or without front USB drive plugged in, or the GNS-MS01 speaker system powered on or off.

Thanks for your report on this,
Paul

[StuartR]

Hi Carol,

My US Genos is like yours, at firmware revision 1.10, it has its own mind to always stay up, ignores the "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" options, with or without front USB drive plugged in, or the GNS-MS01 speaker system powered on or off.

Thanks for your report on this,
Paul

Mine is totally non functional as well.

[Pianoman]

Please forgive me is this is a silly question.

But isn't it better to completely disable these Auto Power Off, and Auto.Power Saving as Paul has suggested or prefers to do.?

Is it very complicated to just push a button in order to switch off the instrument.?
For the young members who may be participating here, there was a time, not very long ago, when one had to get up everytime one needed to change the TV channels.
And everybody managed just fine.

Best Regards,
Pianoman.

[dragon]

Pianoman, I find the problem is that if I was to sell the Genos I would have to say that something does not work. It is mentioned in the instruction book that this does work, therefore my product is sub standard. If Yamaha does not sort this out fairly quickly I may return my Genos to the seller. Everything on the Tyros 5 that I gave in part exchange, worked, if it hadn't they might have decreased the part exchange price. Hopefully there will be a fix from Yamaha fairly soon.
Cheers Carol

[zionip]

Pianoman, I find the problem is that if I was to sell the Genos I would have to say that something does not work. It is mentioned in the instruction book that this does work, therefore my product is sub standard. If Yamaha does not sort this out fairly quickly I may return my Genos to the seller. Everything on the Tyros 5 that I gave in part exchange, worked, if it hadn't they might have decreased the part exchange price. Hopefully there will be a fix from Yamaha fairly soon.
Cheers Carol

Hi Carol,

Your concept on this topic is very interesting.  Thanks for letting us know.

I would consider "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" just two nice to have, non critical features of Genos.

I have never thought of any Genos owners who would consider returning Genos to the sellers / stores for the reason that these features do not work on these Genos, with the assumption that these features not working will decrease the trade in values of Genos.  This concept is completely new to me.

I consider the missing touch support for external touch display on Genos an important omission of feature, but I have not thought about returning Genos due to the lack of this feature.  I choose to discuss with other Genos owners on this topic, call Yamaha customer support, and will spend more time in the future to see if we can influence Yamaha to add this feature through future Genos firmware releases.

Yamaha Genos design team removed too many live performance related buttons from Genos, previously simply one button click on Tyros models now sometimes requires several touches on various levels of screen menus, a bit clumsy for gigging musicians.  However, there is nothing Yamaha can do on this first generation of Genos to bring back the missing buttons.  I have to choose to live with the current panel control design of Genos in order to appreciate some of the more important enhancements Yamaha has brought into Genos, like better, more usable sounds, drums, and styles.

I tend to agree that I do not and will not depend on these Auto Power features, and will disable them even if Yamaha fixes them in the future.  Like Pianoman, I prefer manually powering my arrangers / synths on or off.  Gigging musicians may even find these Auto Power features anti-productive on stage and have them permanently disabled.

I respect your opinion, and do not want to argue with you on this topic, which I started for fact finding only.  We are blessed to have different ideas and options.

Thanks again,
Paul

[Pianoman]

You're absolutely right Paul.

I wouldn't want to gig with this Auto power saving and Auto shut down function on.

It would be the first thing I would disable.

It would be most embarrassing, to be performing and then while in the middle of a song, having this thing shut down by itself.
That would make a performer look like Milli Vanilli.

Especially with the kinds of crowds who always want to believe that something is not kosher.

The "No way can this guy play that good, there must be a trick somewhere" crowd.

I deal with these kinds of people everyday. They appear out of nowhere and suddenly put their hands on the keyboard, to see if the sound matches what they are hearing.

They come and touch the left hand voice, which I always keep at a low volume, between 10 and 20.
My mixer and mic stand blocks them from touching the right side.

Upon hearing almost no sound, they would turn to each other and say, "see what I told you, it's all playback music, the keyboard has no sound."

Nope, it would not break my heart terribly if this function were not to exist.

Best Regards,
Pianoman.

[dragon]

I think that my point may not have been made correctly. If I buy a car and that car comes with a radio, as the specs suggested, then I would expect the radio to work. If the radio was not in the specs then it would not matter. If I part exchange the car or sell it privately I would have to declare that the radio does not work.I have already contacted Yamaha via my dealer to ask about the non working feature.
On the Tyros5 the switching off feature could be disabled so would not effect a working musician, and it is supposed to be able to be disabled on the Genos. I am a home player and found it useful as a power saving feature when I am multi tasking in the home. I realise that it is a small omission and hope a firmware update fixes it.
When all is said and done, Genos is not working as the instruction book says it should be.
When I traded in my Tyros 5 I was asked what condition it was in, and the same will happen when I trade in my Genos. If it is a hardware problem and not a software problem then I would rather give my Genos back for a refund and rebuy when the problem has been fixed or have the Genos repaired in my home. (Tyros4 had a problem when I bought it new and had to be repaired in my home).
There are too many of us reporting this problem and not all Genos owners are members of a forum, so many others may have this problem. I just want Genos to do what it says on the tin.

I love this forum and all the discussions and rarely take part in them. I too have found changes and omissions on the Genos that have not suited me but have found workarounds. However, having a broken feature is another thing.
With respect to all your opinions,
Cheers Carol

[Pianoman]

Hello Carol.

I see your point of view there.
And explained in that  way, you are, of course, very right.

My point of view is that, as a live performer, this function is either of no use, or actually detrimental, for the reasons I have mentioned in my other posts above.

So we are, basically, talking about the same thing, but from different approaches.

In your case, the point is about a function that has been advertised as existing on a keyboard, but in fact does not work. And you're absolutely right to be concerned about it.

In my case, it is about the usefulness of having such a function in the first place, which I consider to be just a gimmick, when one can just press the power button to switch the instrument off.

We humans are getting lazier with each passing year.

We want cars that drive themselves while we sit in the back and read a newspaper.

Cars that slam on the brakes for us, when we can just push the brake pedal ourselves.

Midi files that play songs for us, when people can just spend 15 minutes learning a song and play it themselves.

There used to be such joy and pride in learning and playing a song, then interpreting it in any way you please.

Just like the joy we felt as children, after having successfully assembled our Lego toys.

But i see your point, and agree with you that you have a right to complain about a feature that is supposed to work, but does not.

I have read in this forum and others, and in online reviews as well, that Yamaha was forced to release the Genos too soon.

Before the development of some advertised features was completed.
After all kinds of information leaks.

Best Regards,
Pianoman.

[keynote]

Hello everyone. I purchased my Genos about 2 weeks ago. I live in the U.S. so my Genos has the 120 Volt/60 Hz power connector. I noticed after updating my Genos OS to version 1.10 that the Auto Power Off feature no longer worked like some of you have also experienced. Now the good news, at least in my case, is that the Auto Power Off feature now works again and I wanted to relay what could end up being a solution for other people who have experienced the same problem.

I had enabled the Wireless LAN feature on my Genos even though I don't have an iOS device. I discovered after reading through the manual that iOS is the only platform supported even though Android is by far the most used platform in the world by comparison. But that's another story for another day. I read through this thread over the course of the last few days and I noticed a lot of different things were being tried but without success. I decided to disable the wireless LAN connection on my Genos and when I did that I noticed the Auto Power Off feature now works again. I have it set to 30 minutes for Auto Power Off and 5 minutes for dimming the Sub display.

I'm not sure if it will work for other people but I thought I should at least post my result to let you know I found a fix, at least in my case anyway. When the Wireless LAN is connected to a router there is of course a wireless signal that invariably fluctuates on the Genos. That little bit of 'activity' could be enough to interrupt the power off feature. Just a theory of course but it worked for me since that is the only thing I did different i.e. disabling the LAN connection which made it work again.

If other people experience the problem when the wireless LAN was not connected in the first place then the answer lies somewhere else. One other thing you might try. Make sure all the cables hooked up to the Genos are properly inserted in the correct place. In other words, where they belong and properly secured. Oh, by the way, I was one of the original members of PSR Tutorial back in the day but it's been a while since I have posted here. I had lost my login information and I no longer had the email account I used when I originally signed up. I tried to sign up again about a year ago but a window popped up saying the email address I was using could be spam related and I was denied. When I signed up again today everything went smoothly. To make a long story short... it's good to be back.

Mike

[alans]

Hi Mike

Thats certainly interesting,just one thing,have you  tried this repeatedly or just the one time,it could be a fluke ,my UK 240v Genos works ,with LAN connected,and never yet failed, my Genos is on v 1.10

Give it another go if poss,this mày be the answer to the problem, although I believe Yamaha have been informed of this problem, so maybe it will be put right in the next firmware revision.

I am relatively new here but welcome back from me.

Alan

[keynote]

Hi Alan. Yes, it continues to work okay when the wireless LAN is disabled. Funny thing is I noticed just today that the wireless LAN somehow reconnected itself to my router after I disabled it and once again the Auto Power Off feature would not work. I once again disabled the wireless LAN connection and now the Auto Power Off feature is working again. I'm not sure how it reconnected itself. I have a secure connection on my router and I would normally have to enter my password to reconnect. It's very interesting you say you have the wireless LAN connected yet your Auto Power Off feature still works. I don't know if it's just a U.S. problem or not regarding the wireless LAN. Hopefully the good folks at Yamaha Japan will be able find a permanent solution in the next firmware revision. Cheers.

Mike

[zionip]

Hi Alan. Yes, it continues to work okay when the wireless LAN is disabled. Funny thing is I noticed just today that the wireless LAN somehow reconnected itself to my router after I disabled it and once again the Auto Power Off feature would not work. I once again disabled the wireless LAN connection and now the Auto Power Off feature is working again. I'm not sure how it reconnected itself. I have a secure connection on my router and I would normally have to enter my password to reconnect. It's very interesting you say you have the wireless LAN connected yet your Auto Power Off feature still works. I don't know if it's just a U.S. problem or not regarding the wireless LAN. Hopefully the good folks at Yamaha Japan will be able find a permanent solution in the next firmware revision. Cheers.

Mike

Hi Mike,

My U.S. version of Genos at firmware 1.10 continues to ignore the "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" settings and stays up even when I executed all the advice from our fellow members to make sure:

1.  wireless LAN disabled,
2.  the GNS-MS01 speaker system turned off,
3.  no front USB stick plugged in.

I followed your suggestion to disable wireless LAN by "Initialize" it so it forgot about all the previous wireless LAN configuration.  Then I rebooted Genos to make sure that it remembered the disabled wireless LAN setting.  It did not try to reconnect because it did not retain any previous wireless LAN configuration settings.  With the following settings, my US Genos continues to stay up:

Auto Power Saving    5 minutes
Auto Power Off         30 minutes

Thanks,
Paul

[DavidB]

My Genos in the UK on which the power save functions work perfectly has wireless lan enabled all the time.

Sorry, but sounds like another dead end.

It'll be interesting if we ever get to the bottom of this

[jwyvern]

The auto power off which I consider to be functioning OK on my Genos appears to be somewhat smarter than just "turn off the power after 30, 60 etc. minutes of inactivity".  I noticed it did not turn off recently after I had left it for a period with the style assembly page displayed. After I changed it to the home page it then did shut off after a further 30mins. So if the Genos is left in a condition where it might "think" data could be lost it will stay connected.
Something to be borne in mind perhaps if the auto power off appears to be "not working".

With apologies for yet another extension to this lengthy thread .
John

[zionip]

The auto power off which I consider to be functioning OK on my Genos appears to be somewhat smarter than just "turn off the power after 30, 60 etc. minutes of inactivity".  I noticed it did not turn off recently after I had left it for a period with the style assembly page displayed. After I changed it to the home page it then did shut off after a further 30mins. So if the Genos is left in a condition where it might "think" data could be lost it will stay connected.
Something to be borne in mind perhaps when considering whether the auto power off is working or not.
John

Hi John,

Very good observation.

I actually also thought of this and purposely left my Genos at its home screen to test its behaviors with the "Auto Power Off" option turned on.  The result is the same, at firmware 1.10, my Genos continues to ignore the "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" options.

Thanks,
Paul

[EileenL]

Well John mine still dose not work anyway I try it but it dose not bother me because I would never use it.
  How ever it should work for anyone who dose use it.

[BartW]

This feature does not work for me either. Latest firmware. I tried 10min/60min option and this did not work either. If Yamaha is reading this, they should fix this in the next firmware update.

[jwyvern]

Well John mine still dose not work anyway I try it but it dose not bother me because I would never use it.
  How ever it should work for anyone who dose use it.

Yes Eileen, I'll probably disable it soon, once I get sufficiently irritated by it going off at the "wrong"  times (as I did on Tyros in the past). Low level of tolerance here

John

[alans]

Just read this on synthzone forum

A Genos owner had his keyboard auto off whilst transferring files and it corrupted the user memory,he said it had to be repaired by Yamaha, he got his money back


http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/441832/A_warning_to_all_Yamaha_Genos_#Post441832

Alan

[StuartR]

Just read this on synthzone forum

A Genos owner had his keyboard auto off whilst transferring files and it corrupted the user memory,he said it had to be repaired by Yamaha, he got his money back


http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/441832/A_warning_to_all_Yamaha_Genos_#Post441832

Alan

According to the OP, the internal SSD drive of the Genos got corrupted when the keyboard shut itself off during a file transfer. What he could have tried before returning it and getting his money back was to connect the genius to a PC/laptop in shortage mode and use Windows CHKDSK to repair the drive. I suspect it would have worked just fine. I've run CHKDSK on the Genos SSD with no problems.

[zionip]

Just read this on synthzone forum

A Genos owner had his keyboard auto off whilst transferring files and it corrupted the user memory,he said it had to be repaired by Yamaha, he got his money back


http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/441832/A_warning_to_all_Yamaha_Genos_#Post441832

Alan

Thanks Alan for the discussion link.

I read through the whole thread, and am glad that I disabled these Auto Power features from day one I received the keyboard, but then these features never worked on mine anyway.

Paul

[alans]

Hi Paul

I was a bit disturbed by this report,especially as he  was in the process of important file transfers,I think I read that  this shut down behaviour should not not happen when using the Genos ,only after a set period of being idle,maybe we should all disable this function as a precaution until it is confirmed by Yamaha that this feature has been thoroughly tested/upgrade on variations of all models ie. operating voltages and firmware versions

StuartR

I am not sure how many would want to try what you suggest,but thanks anyway.

Alan