Real Audio Loops (guitar) on Psr s970 Styles?

[Enildo]

No, what I'm saying is that you can achieve real guitar loops in MIDI.  I have hundreds of real guitar MIDI loops that were recorded with a MIDI guitar.   That thread is discussing arpeggios.  Yamaha has created realistic guitar arpeggios with MIDI.  I just wanted you to aware that there is realistic MIDI guitar loops.

I'm of the opinion that it is not necessary to record audio guitar strums or arppeggios.  If you want a new guitar sound, there are probably expansion packs with new guitar sounds.  If you want to do something really special, then I guess REX2 is the way to go.

REX2 is converted to MIDI Voice in YEM.  While you can think of it as audio... ALL MIDI Voices in your keyboard are audio that have been converted to MIDI Voices.

Regards,
Joe H

Ok, I got it!

Joe, in my region and in my country has a style of music very well known and played here that is called "FORRÓ" (popular Brazilian musical style), the guitars for these styles are very simple but very peculiar guitars. When the guys showed me that way to record the guitars, it was the first time I ever heard a real guitar forró. The other ways to record (recording the whole rhythm directly on the keyboard), using real guitar samples, are good but leave out.

I will continue studying and researching this new way of using styles on the keyboard and then I will introduce you to all the results. Maybe this will serve other performances that we have not found out yet.

Thanks for your opinions Joe H, you make a big difference in this forum.

greetings,
Enildo

[Misu]

Sorry try now and tell me if work
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx6qwlpS1CgHa01jRVNDckRhNUk/view?usp=sharing
Mihai

[Enildo]

Sorry try now and tell me if work
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx6qwlpS1CgHa01jRVNDckRhNUk/view?usp=sharing
Mihai

Thank you Mihai!
I loved the timbres!

Enildo

[denisfm]

Hi Enildo and everybody. I am following this topic about audio loops on Yamaha Style and I am also trying to make this work. In fact, we have MIDI file and other MIDI information on Yamaha Styles, not audio file. When we use audio "slices", converted in Recycle we are controlling midi notes on the Styles.

So, I am still trying to unsderstand how to make this possible. Like Enildo said, it´s very intersting put Guitar Loops, or Cavaquinho Lopps, sliceds in wavs, packed in Yep, inside the styles, but the challenge is make the chord changing possible, transposing the slices wavs when we change the chord on left hand.

When you say that we use one channel for Major Chord, another for Minor Chord, and other for 7th Chord. So we have some limitations.
I also have checked some good information on this link:

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/style2_2.htm

and this

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/style_11.htm

Mainly when he says:
"...
Create the 3 different patterns in the MIDI Part, e.g. Major pattern in channel 4, Minor pattern in channel 5, and 7th pattern in channel 6
• Redirect these 3 MIDI channels to the SAME keyboard channel
• In MIDI ch. 4 remove ALL check marks in "Active Chords Minor" and "Active Chords 7th"
• In MIDI ch. 5 remove ALL check marks in "Active Chords Major" and "Active Chords 7th"
• In MIDI ch. 6 remove ALL check marks in "Active Chords Major" and "Active Chords Minor"

When this approach is used, most often 3 alternative patterns are created as demonstrated above.
...."

Well, I am trying to make this happen on PSR S750. Enildo, please, let´s trade some information. Tell me if you are working on PSR S650, 750, 950, that uses yep sound bank or you are on S670, S770 series.

Thank all of you for the information,
Sincerely
Denis

[eduardo]

Hola saludes enildo quisiera saber si ya piedes hacer loop de guitarra real para estilos psr s970 ayuda quiero aprender hacer eso

[DonM]

Maybe check out how Ketron does it.  They've had audio guitars in their styles for years.

[Enildo]

There is this video here in Brazil, with real guitar loops. You can tell that it has a great quality.
It is almost impossible to do on the keyboard itself, because you can not make the sound of a "pick" dragging on the strings and sounding with reality.

Hug to everyone,

https://youtu.be/gPl86SXgjPU?t=304

[Joe H]

Enildo,

As I say in Reply #29.  If you find some audio guitar loops in Brazilian style music recorded in the key of C Maj 7 scale you can convert them to REX2 and then import them into YEM.  The YEM software will allow you to make a style part and a Multi Pad from REX2 audio loops. Style Part and Multi Pad will then follow your left hand chords.  No need to record guitar loops in many chord types.

Regards,
Joe H

[Enildo]

Enildo,

As I say in Reply #29.  If you find some audio guitar loops in Brazilian style music recorded in the key of C Maj 7 scale you can convert them to REX2 and then import them into YEM.  The YEM software will allow you to make a style part and a Multi Pad from REX2 audio loops. Style Part and Multi Pad will then follow your left hand chords.  No need to record guitar loops in many chord types.

Regards,
Joe H

Hello friend Joe! Let me call it that.

I understand your idea, it really makes sense. Then I'll take the time to study more thoroughly and do some testing with the information you're giving me.
God bless you!

Enildo

[Joe H]

Enildo,

The reason I took so long to respond is I got sick last October and didn't post on the forum for several months.

Regards,
Joe H

[Enildo]

Enildo,

The reason I took so long to respond is I got sick last October and didn't post on the forum for several months.

Regards,
Joe H

Hello Joe!

I really missed you in this forum. I hope you're already better you make a lot of difference with your knowledge here. Much health to you!

They say that in other countries it is not common to wish to hug people, but I want to send a big hug my friend! Stay with God!

Enildo

[Joe H]

Hello Joe!

I really missed you in this forum. I hope you're already better you make a lot of difference with your knowledge here. Much health to you!

They say that in other countries it is not common to wish to hug people, but I want to send a big hug my friend! Stay with God!

Enildo

Thank you Enildo... hugs to you as well.

               

Joe H

[hans1966]

Hello Joe, I hope that you are very well in health, your presence in the forum is very important, thanks to your knowledge I have learned a lot. take care friend, God continue to bless your talent. a big hug  from Colombia.   Hans

[Joe H]

Hans,

I suffered a stroke in the right frontal lobe of my brain. I've made about a 98% recovery... 19 days in the hospital and months of physical and occupational therapy plus 2 surgeries, eating better food and exercising... and now am feeling much better.   I am so grateful there was no permanent damage.

Thank you for your comments... hugs to you also.

               

Joe H

[hans1966]

The important thing is that you are fully recovered, it is a wonderful opportunity of life. Now you just have to enjoy doing  what else you more like, which is: Music and more Music.   greetings Hans

[Enildo]

Hans,

I suffered a stroke in the right frontal lobe of my brain. I've made about a 98% recovery... 19 days in the hospital and months of physical and occupational therapy plus 2 surgeries, eating better food and exercising... and now am feeling much better.   I am so grateful there was no permanent damage.

Thank you for your comments... hugs to you also.

               

Joe H

Wow! It was really very serious what you suffered!
Thank God you are well, my friend! Your recovery is a miracle, even more that you did not have any sequels!

Do what you like what music is, but also try to change some habits and include a little physical activity.
Hug! Enildo

[Joe H]

Joe H

Wow! It was really very serious what you suffered!
Thank God you are well, my friend! Your recovery is a miracle, even more that you did not have any sequels! ...

When they took me to the emergency room I couldn't talk or use my left arm or my left leg.  I have had to work hard to get back to "normal" and am doing everything I can so I do not have another stroke. Diet, exercise, and taking my medications.



Joe H

[bernamato]

rex2 has a midi notes in progression of half tone (i.e. from c0 to f0) to play an audio file. In this way YEM software cannot help to play a guitar chords. I tried to use yem without success. I don't understand the suggest give us from joe. I wish him a fast solution of his health. best regards

[Joe H]

For most western music there are MIDI guitar loops for sale that were created with a MIDI guitar and they sound very realistic. I suggested REX2 because of the special consideration of the Brazilian style of music and the instrument sound in particular which does not exist in our Yamaha keyboards.

I give Yamaha credit for supporting REX2 samples in YEM. I've loaded REX2 files and converted (loaded) them into my S970 and played them. They sounded just fine.  But I prefer SF2 (Sound Font) samples because they provide good results.  Even if you could find the right sound, you still wouldn't get the playing style and technique Enildo is looking for.

I was just offering ideas and suggestions.



Joe H

[bernamato]

Thank you, Joe.

[bernamato]

Joe H

Wow! It was really very serious what you suffered!
Thank God you are well, my friend! Your recovery is a miracle, even more that you did not have any sequels!

Do what you like what music is, but also try to change some habits and include a little physical activity.
Hug! Enildo

Hi Enildo.
Did you have found how play the guitar loop on psr 970?
Thank you.

[Enildo]

Hello friend Bernamato!
Yes, after much time studying about it I learned how to do it. It is tricky to arrive at a satisfactory end result.
I'm teaching a course in my region and for people from Brazil.
The course takes about 4 hours (which is divided into 2 days) and students still have some questions,
that are usually resolved within the first 10 days.

Cheers
Enildo

[Enildo]

When I learned to do the loops with chord progression and change in tempo,
only me and 2 other people in Brazil knew how to do that.
I have not heard of anyone else being able to put a guitar beat in ".wav" to play on the keyboard, like a "DAW".
But I can say one thing, the result is very good!

Enildo

[Enildo]

Today I am studying techniques such as reducing the size of loops (which are usually around 12mb),
further improving the development, as well as simplifying to save time.
I think the direction of the keyboard companies go that way.
You will play a style on the keyboard with your guitar, accordion or your ukulele that is on your side,
in your home or in your studio, listening to the instrument's original timbre.

Enildo

[bernamato]

please, as you can, give me some video examples. Thanks

[Enildo]

please, as you can, give me some video examples. Thanks

It's not that I have no interest in teaching, but it's complicated to teach with 1 or 2 videos.
Five computer programs and keyboard settings are used to reach the end result.
It would have to record several videos showing each stage of the operation.

Enildo

[bernamato]

I am interested to hear the result. please, post some video link. Thks

[Enildo]

I am interested to hear the result. please, post some video link. Thks

I have auditions of Brazilian style guitars. Do you have whatsapp or messenger? I can send you to listen.

[bernamato]

Enildo, when you asked help here we try to give you. So I hope you help me too.

[Enildo]

Enildo, when you asked help here we try to give you. So I hope you help me too.

I'm trying to help you. So far you have been the only one who took an interest in the subject.
I asked you for your whatsapp or messeger number because I want to help you.
Now you have to trust this humble Latin American.