Next update to Genos

[Lee Batchelor]

Bouncingogre, the Genos runs circles around the Tyros 5 in terms of sound and ease of use, much less a Tyros 1!! And yes, there are things the Tyros series does far better, but overall the Genos is a major upgrade. The musicians on this forum likely agree with me on this point.

[Bachus]

Well after having my Genos for over a year I would certainly never want to go back to my Tyros 1. Things have moved on a lot since those days.

Definately true..

And yet there is still so much room for upgrades..


May i ask you a question, what features of the Genos are you not or barely using?

[keynote]

Mike a heard that odd sound at 45 seconds. You should be able to isolate it in the Mixer. Please do so and tell us what instrument is creating that odd flute sound. Meanwhile, I'll play that style on my Genos with the exact chord progression and see if it happens on mine. If not, it isn't likely an OS issue. Later...

Hi Lee,

Sorry for the late reply. The glitch only happens when you use the preset Style multi-pad #1 when playing the style i.e. The CountryFolkBallad style. Now what is interesting is if you use #3 preset multi-pad when playing the style no glitch happens. It is a high pitched Choir sound and that sound should not occur but it seems to occur on a semi regular basis from what I've discovered. I guess Yamaha can't be bothered although it is a rather annoying glitch. It would be interesting to know if you experience the same glitch on your Genos Lee. I can't imagine it would be an isolated case but stranger things have happened I reckon. At least Yamaha is aware of the problem.

Mike

[Lee Batchelor]

Keynote, I played that style for about 10 minutes straight and nothing happened. Looks like we may a mystery on our hands with this one .

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Dear EileenL
first of all I need to make it clear that we are talking about guesses not facts,you might not have realised what I meant.
If something like what I said were to become reality which I cannot predict,we are talking available audio tracks in styles/audio styles which means that we can have real audio tracks with audio guitars and all that can think of inside of the style following the chord changes.
I repeat it's just a thought I had.
However these Yamaha campaign videos before the release of Genos get my my imagination running.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJhKv1ZGIk
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHdbmEGyyNg
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWLkgGZpJWE
And more....

first video NOT AS GOOD AS GURU JOSH sax version 1990

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Bachus makes an interesting point. Montage updates can't be all bug fixes. Yamaha is giving Montage users extra tools and features, I'm sure. I used to own a Motif ES7 and there were plenty of neat tools developed for it - all free of charge.
....... but the styles haven't changed all that much. More emphasis has been placed on electronic and dance styles - something I could care less about. Time to start creating my own, but that's no easy task!!

Dear Lee,
"....dance styles - something I could care less about."  Maybe you and me do not belong to the type of buyers Yamaha wants to atract. 

"...the styles on Genos haven't changed all that much."  True, but Yamaha has done a great job over the recent years creating fantastic intros and endings, some 8 bars long. 

Where they really  - was it dropped the ball ? -  is that so many styles are just 2 bars long. Even my 30 years old  Yamaha 5700 has many styles that are 4 and 8 bars long  plus the fantastic solos that I could call up if someone came to talk to me while I was  playing a complicated tune. 
But then again,  Yamaha may rightly think, who needs more than 1 bar long styles for to-day's "music" ?

There seem to be quite a few on this forum that like Gerard and me were crazy enough to shell out 12.000 $ for the MX 1 which in to-day's money would be 36.000 $, for which you can now  get 9 Genos.  It weighed over 350 pounds so you needed a lot of helpers to take it to a gig. It  had 7  built in speakers but if you wanted to sing you needed an external sound system just as with the Genos.

The MX 1  had a rather limited number of styles - but back in the 1980 they were just out of this world -  The MX1 styles had one feature I have missed ever since.  The intro and style was different depending  on in what  key you played in.

In case anyone creates 8 bar Jazz type styles, please let me buy them.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[keynote]

Keynote, I played that style for about 10 minutes straight and nothing happened. Looks like we may a mystery on our hands with this one .

I played the same style again yesterday for several minutes and the glitch did not occur this time. It is a mystery and it would be very interesting if the Genos somehow corrected itself although I haven't initiated a factory reset so it would have to be something else if indeed the problem has been rectified. Further investigation is needed and so I'll keep checking it periodically. Thanks for giving it a spin Lee. I'm glad yours is working properly or so it seems. As I stated previously the glitch only occurred after enabling the #1 preset multi-pad which is a mega voice from what I understand.

Mike

[valimaties]

I'm not sure, but I think I understood the problem. The glitch is just a very fast high pitch-bending that may occur when you have a style part that use a sostenuto note or chord (typical of the "PAD" voice) and you have not pressed the chord notes with perfect accuracy. For example, if you are in Main C part, listen to the PAD part (I suggest to put it in Solo mode). Then try to change various chords: the voice doesn't retrigger the notes, but it just perform a pitch-bending, good solution for a legato sound on synth and bass, but bad solution for an inaccurate chord change, due to the fast pitch change speed. I suggest you to follow this way and retry:
- Open the style creator
- On the SFF Edit tab, select the Pad voice
- On the RTR option, change the behaviour from "Pitch Bend" to "Retrigger"
Retry now, I hope this could solve the problem

Francesco

Francesco, it was about Multi-Pad not Pad channel from style!

Regards,
Vali

[EileenL]

Seams that the Multi pad is the trouble and not the style.

[Fred Smith]

I played the same style again yesterday for several minutes and the glitch did not occur this time. It is a mystery and it would be very interesting if the Genos somehow corrected itself although I haven't initiated a factory reset so it would have to be something else if indeed the problem has been rectified. Further investigation is needed and so I'll keep checking it periodically. Thanks for giving it a spin Lee. I'm glad yours is working properly or so it seems. As I stated previously the glitch only occurred after enabling the #1 preset multi-pad which is a mega voice from what I understand.

How do you use a mega voice in a multipad? Aren't those voices only for styles?

Cheers,
Fred

[EileenL]

They will be used on some of the onboard programmed by manufacturer.

[Paolo82]

a new update when for genos?