Display solution for the contents of my music book collection

Started by Chalky, Jul 15, 2025, 04:42 PM

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Chalky

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Above is a picture of how I display the sheet music from my music books on a screen over my keyboards.  This is just my method, which may or may not be useful to others.

My approach was this:
1 Scan each page of my music books with my Android phone.  I lay the music book on a table, use a finger to hold it open at the intended page, and stand over it with my Android phone in hand, In the app for Google Drive, I touch the camera icon and this calls up the camera view.  I roughly centre that page I want scanned ensuring the whole page is within the camera frame.  The Google Drive app automatically detects the page, scans it, crops it, and gives me a quick view of the result.  Unless I press something to stop it, it automatically goes back to camera view mode, looking for another page.  I point it at the next page and the scanning process repeats.  You soon develop a rhythm of doing the whole book.  The app saves the resulting scans of my music book as a single PDF file - you can of course interrupt the process then continue later if you wish.  I tend to start a new PDF for each book, and some long books are split into a few PDFs.

2 From my laptop, I download the PDF(s) to my hard drive.  I've installed Mozilla Firefox on my laptop and set it as the default for opening PDF files.  So when I click on my downloaded PDF (the scan of my music book) it opens the PDF at the first page.  Over on the right of the Firefox screen are two right-pointing chevrons.  Clicking on those give a list of option, one of which is "Horizontal scrolling" so I click that.  Now, Firefox displays the PDF pages across the screen.  Default is around 4 pages at a time but if I use the percentage indicator in the middle top of the display window, I can decrement it with the minus sign and it will shrink the display, enabling 5 or more pages to display at once.  But I find 4 pages at a time to be ideal.  To scroll horizontally, I drag a two-finger touch sideways on my laptop touchpad and Firefox quickly scrolls the PDF left or right as desired. 

Another benefit of Firefox is that it can re-open all your PDFs that you had open last time, which means when I open Firefox, the tabe across the top list the few dozen books that I've scanned and opened before, making navigation around my music collection very visual and intuitive.
 
3 If I want to edit the PDF, I've installed PDFgear on my laptop.  It's a free software that does everything I've needed so far.  Please note that beware of Google pointing you at other products - you have to scroll its first page a bit to find the real PDFgear page.  You can use PDFgear for many edits, for example to split out pages to make a PDF of your selected pages of favourite music, or to delete pages, or to reorder pages, or maybe annotate a song to reflect the adjusted chords of a preferred arrangement or maybe your own arrangement.  I haven't found anything so far I couldn't achieve with PDFgear for my mundane purposes.

4 I went for an LG 34WR55QK monitor as the size and definition works perfectly.  It also has the advantage of a single USB-C to USB-C cable joins it to the laptop, and as well as carrying the display from the laptop, the same cable charges the laptop from the screen removing the need for the laptop charger to be connected.  The screen is held by a VESA plate on a movable sprung arm rated for the monitor weight load and attached to a sturdy shelf.

I never adopted the "play each song with its own dedicated registration bank" as I very much enjoy playing a song with different styles and arrangements, and have no wish to play cover versions.  So using those apps where selecting a registration on my Genos calls up a particular piece of sheet music offers no advantage to me.  The ability to see multiple pages at once and move to different sheet music with a simple swipe of my fingers offers much better advantages to me.

Food for thought and remember "Your mileage may vary!" 

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aprilla

Nice set up.

I have something different but similar. I'm using a 27" AIO Computer monitor with MobileSheets as the pdf sheet library and display. It shows 2 side-by-side pages nicely, and I use a Bluetooth page turner. My keyboard/stand rolls under the computer desk when not in use, nicely out of the way.
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mikf

Nice set up, but still more work than most of us want to do.
The real solution would be for the music publishing companies to abandon paper and sell lots of pdf music books with good display options in the first place. Then for Yamaha to make a nice screen set up that comes as a keyboard accessory, and good compatibility with the keyboard firmware.
Rather than all the esoteric features that most people don't need,  maybe this is what Genos 3 should be!
Mike
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cyber swine

It is a nice set up, but I have spent too many cumulative hours searching for the song I want and switching through files, directories, devices and whatever.  All I want to do is select the song from an indexed or categorized list and play it.  That's what I get from display software linked to the keyboard.  I do have paper books but I never touch them now, importing PDF scores is the work of seconds and makes me happy.  But, we're all different and I do like that big screen :)
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Sam Wacker

Quote from: Chalky on Jul 15, 2025, 04:42 PM..... If I want to edit the PDF, I've installed PDFgear on my laptop.... 

PDF Gear is a great little program for free. It does the normal things like OCR conversions of PDF to WORD for example - something I needed last year and more recently to deal with legal documents.

It may sound churlish to complain about a freebie but one weakness is the crop feature - unless I just haven't cracked how to use it properly!  Some digital music I've downloaded has a web address in the page footer which I want to remove [and the supplier wants to remain].  'Delete/header footer' does not work.  The page margins are small with this particular vendor so the crop has to be precise. There's no global crop feature so each page has to be cropped individually.

Previously I used the free version of PDF Exchange which has far more features, but for serious work we have to buy the paid version as many options are greyed-out. I've no objection to paid-for software but I don't like the recurring charges with some products.
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Sam Wacker

Quote from: mikf on Jul 16, 2025, 12:06 AMThe real solution would be for the music publishing companies to abandon paper and sell lots of pdf music books with good display options in the first place.

Mikef
Unlikely to happen anytime soon would be my guess. "Music publishing companies" covers a wide canvas. I once worked in a local authority music library. In addition to books, we loaned audio recordings and sheet music. The sheet music collection was huge and popular with brass bands, amateur orchestras, choral societies,  jazz bands and schools to give a few examples. The collections were licensed. It was a subscription-based service. The loan period was several months rather than weeks and there were multiple copies in a set. We had duplicates of several popular pieces like Bach's St. Mathew Passion . Just can't see all of these users hawking around display monitors and page turners - although I noticed an example on YouTube for a Japanese pro orchestra using i-Pads and Firefly page turners.
Past:Farfisa Combo Compact;Vox Continental Organ; Vox AC30; Reslo Ribbon/Shure SM57
Recent: Yamaha PSR 9000 Pro;Tyros 2; Shure SM58 wired/wireless/Yamaha mic;Allen & Heath PA12;TC Helicon Voice Live;Mackie SRM 450 speakers; Bose QC phones(cable);Stagepas BT600; MFC10
Current: Genos 2; Shure In-ear
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aprilla

Quote from: Sam Wacker on Jul 16, 2025, 11:06 AMIt may sound churlish to complain about a freebie but one weakness is the crop feature - unless I just haven't cracked how to use it properly!  Some digital music I've downloaded has a web address in the page footer which I want to remove [and the supplier wants to remain].  'Delete/header footer' does not work.  The page margins are small with this particular vendor so the crop has to be precise. There's no global crop feature so each page has to be cropped individually.

If your PDF program allows text editing, let's you add text, just make a text box over the URL. You don't need to add text, but it'll hide what's under it. I sometimes do this to hide guitar tabs if they distract me.
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Sam Wacker

Quote from: aprilla on Jul 16, 2025, 11:29 AMIf your PDF program allows text editing, let's you add text, just make a text box over the URL. You don't need to add text, but it'll hide what's under it. I sometimes do this to hide guitar tabs if they distract me.
Thanks Aprilla you always make sensible suggestions.

It does. Tried that but the footer still appears when scrolling. Even tried a graphic approach with a white rectangle. Cropping is the only way to get the result I want and as I said there's no global crop.
Past:Farfisa Combo Compact;Vox Continental Organ; Vox AC30; Reslo Ribbon/Shure SM57
Recent: Yamaha PSR 9000 Pro;Tyros 2; Shure SM58 wired/wireless/Yamaha mic;Allen & Heath PA12;TC Helicon Voice Live;Mackie SRM 450 speakers; Bose QC phones(cable);Stagepas BT600; MFC10
Current: Genos 2; Shure In-ear
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aprilla

Quote from: mikf on Jul 16, 2025, 12:06 AMNice set up, but still more work than most of us want to do.
The real solution would be for the music publishing companies to abandon paper and sell lots of pdf music books with good display options in the first place. Then for Yamaha to make a nice screen set up that comes as a keyboard accessory, and good compatibility with the keyboard firmware.
Rather than all the esoteric features that most people don't need,  maybe this is what Genos 3 should be!
Mike


There's an idea, a generic digital sheet music library/display that'll fit on most in place of a stand.
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Chalky

Quote from: mikf on Jul 16, 2025, 12:06 AMNice set up, but still more work than most of us want to do.
The real solution would be for the music publishing companies to abandon paper and sell lots of pdf music books with good display options in the first place.
Mike


Well, I can't fix laziness! ;-)

I also don't want to repurchase some four decades of music book purchases......
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Oldden

Hi Chalky, what I use is a program called Mobilesheets, it's pretty cheap and available for iOS, windows and android. It uses pdf or graphic files of your sheet music or music book pages along with a spreadsheet, mine was free from Libra office in which I enter the song names etc. the two files talk to each other and just work. I copy my music books to PDFs using my old scanner or the camera on my tablet , then I design my finished document on a windows laptop, save the file of the music which I load into my iPad to read on my keyboard stand. There are demos on their website and also loads of info on this site with people a lot more knowledgeable than me plus videos on YouTube.its worth a look if you have never used it.
Den
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mikf

Sam
I wasn't thinking of the whole paper music publishing business changing. Obviously there is a major place for paper copy in many musical fields. I just meant those lead sheet/fake book collections that arranger players use here and other musicians - jazz, small bands etc - also use a lot. I think some people like Hal Leonard may already be starting to do this, ie making pdf versions available.
Imagine if you could just buy a memory stick fake book and plug it into the Genos directly and it popped up on a custom screen, was searchable, key changeable,  ..... 8)
Mike
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Sam Wacker

Quote from: mikf on Jul 16, 2025, 03:57 PM..... I think some people like Hal Leonard may already be starting to do this, ie making pdf versions available.

You are right, Hal Leonard has a number of digital services for people who sing or play an instrument, are learning to play or sing music. Here's a Chat GPT answer I modified:-

1. Digital Sheet Music (Sheet Music Direct)
•    Instant access and printing: They offer over 1.1 million arrangements available for immediate download....
•    How to get it: Select your piece on Hal Leonard's site (or authorized retailers), buy it digitally, and either download a PDF or print directly.
•    Use anywhere: You get a PDF file; as long as you have internet access, you can open it in any browser or PDF reader
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2. Digital Books (Via MyLibrary)
•    Cloud-based, interactive books: These include method books with embedded audio/video, searchable text, bookmarks, and notes
•    How to access:
1.    Buy a digital book or a physical book with access included.
2.    You receive a 16-digit code in your purchase or email receipt.
3.    Enter the code in MyLibrary (at Guests are not allowed to view links. In order to access the links, please Register or Login).
4.    Access your content via desktop or mobile — streaming text, audio, video included Reddit+13Hal Leonard+13Hal Leonard+13.
•    Cross-device syncing: Reading position and notes sync across devices .
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3. MyLibrary Features
•    Enter multiple codes and build a library of titles.
•    Play, view, or download supplemental files—use PLAYBACK+ on desktop to adjust play speed, pitch, looping
•    Downloadable ZIPs include all audio and PDFs for each title
•    Platform support: Works on PC, Mac, iOS, Android (with some iOS limitations on downloading) .
________________________________________
4. ArrangeMe (Self Publishing Platform)
•    This isn't about using sheet music but publishing your own arrangements digitally through Hal Leonard and Sheet Music Direct
•    Useful if you're an arranger/composer wanting to sell."

I've not yet used their digital services but I do wonder if the downloaded PDFs have some Digital Rights Management software included for copyright protection "You get a PDF file; as long as you have internet access, you can open it in any browser or PDF reader ".
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Current: Genos 2; Shure In-ear
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aprilla

Quote from: Sam Wacker on Jul 16, 2025, 11:38 AMThanks Aprilla you always make sensible suggestions.

It does. Tried that but the footer still appears when scrolling. Even tried a graphic approach with a white rectangle. Cropping is the only way to get the result I want and as I said there's no global crop.

Hmmmm
If you are using these offending sheets in MobileSheets you can crop in that, it works a treat. It has really good PDF editing options.
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