I have a very sensitive topic on this forum. I now have a Yamaha PSR-SX920 and am still in the trade-in period and I wonder if I am not better off with the Genos 2. The Genos 2 is twice as expensive and justifies the price for the extras it offers. I do not know where to ask this question, so I will ask it here and also in the Genos 2 channel

Yes get the Genos 2 if it fits your needs.

I gig with my SX920. It is lighter and I use an external PA system. I also do not play PIANO solo, I always use the ACMP styles. So, I have no need for the Genos 2.
Plus I have got all the G2 styles to work in SX920 keyboard.

I can afford a Genos 2 but it would not fit my needs.

Drake

Quote from: DaPaleRider on Feb 18, 2025, 09:57 AM..I now have a Yamaha PSR-SX920 and am still in the trade-in period and I wonder if I am not better off with the Genos 2.

What makes you thinking that we know better, what suits your needs or wishes, than you do?
Does Genos2 have something that you really miss on SX920? What is it that you can't do on SX920?

Bogdan

Quote from: BogdanH on Feb 18, 2025, 10:34 AM

Quote from: DaPaleRider on Feb 18, 2025, 09:57 AM..I now have a Yamaha PSR-SX920 and am still in the trade-in period and I wonder if I am not better off with the Genos 2.

What makes you thinking that we know better, what suits your needs or wishes, than you do?
Does Genos2 have something that you really miss on SX920? What is it that you can't do on SX920?

Bogdan

That is a good question Bogdan. I don't know. Maybe I search an answer on the question why someone chose Genos 2 and the other PRS-SX920. When I look at the specs there is not much difference. more memory, more keys, more sounds and styles. Some sounds are better, but I do not think anyone will hear it when you perform. There are more styles but I can buy more or created it myself.

In fact, the PSR-SX920 is good for my but, what did another decide that the Genos 2 is the one and not the PSR-SX series. haha it is somewhat silly I think my question.

In simplest terms:
-G2 has more keys (for solo piano)
-G2 has better keybed
-G2 has more sounds, FM engine, some new pianos
-G2 has sliders and knobs
-G2 does not have internal speakers
-G2 is less portable than SX920

I've left out some misc. G2 features, but if the main G2 features listed above matter less to you than SX920 was the right choice. Those features matter to me but I can't afford a G2 right now. As said above, you know best what suits your needs.

Rich

Quote from: richkeys on Feb 18, 2025, 12:05 PMIn simplest terms:
-G2 has more keys (for solo piano)
-G2 has better keybed
-G2 has more sounds, FM engine, some new pianos
-G2 has sliders and knobs
-G2 does not have internal speakers
-G2 is less portable than SX920

I've left out some misc. G2 features, but if the main G2 features listed above matter less to you than SX920 was the right choice. Those features matter to me but I can't afford a G2 right now. As said above, you know best what suits your needs.

Rich

Important to me in my Genos2 are:

Much better keybed

76 keys which I use for arranger mode to trigger particular bass (fingered on bass), so they are not only for piano style playing.

Much improved and responsive orchestral and pop brass voices and 5 new cinematic string voices.

FM piano and synth voices in styles OTS, and right hand voices

Revelation reverb which keeps the stereo separation and is a delicate but important effect.

Aftertouch control of many of the sounds, especially the SA2 voices.

3 pedals to control more functions kas opposed to 2 on SX920)

Thank you all, I will give a thought. Genos2 has nice features but is double the price. I also own a Korg Pa5X, so maybe a Genos2 is overkill. I still have a few days to decide:-)

I have never considered a Genos, I selected the 720 over the 920 as the 720 features are perfect for me, the 920 has features I would never use. Already I feel very content with the choice I made and that feels good.

If you don't feel content with the 920, and will always wonder if you did the right thing, exchange it.... if the funds are there to do so. Perhaps the day comes and you are still sorry but the funds aren't there. Unless there is something in the 920 that the Genos 2 doesn't offer you, all you are losing is some cash and I can only presume that's OK with you seeing as you're considering it.

Not an easy choice, good luck with your decision.

Over where I am, the G2 is a crazy price so if cost was no option I would have probably gone for it.  I had an SX900 before and hated the keybed and at that time only the G1 was the other option. I guess it's a personal choice. I eventually bought a Tyros 4 because I think is sounds and plays better than even the G2 ..I love the fact that it has after touch and no internal speakers ..Mine just has the standard MS04 subwoofer with satellite speakers and even though it's 10 years old I wouldn't exchange it for a Genos 2 even for a straight swop! Due to it's age I did replace all the conductive rubbers as a precaution  Personal.. choice buy what you want!  Check out this video   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFx5Xw44oL4

It's a lot like flying first class rather than first class. We know first has a bit more space, a few priveleges and a bit more comfortable. But is the difference worth it? The truth is that for most people it's irrelevant. They either fall into the category where the cost difference would stretch their budget too much to seriously consider, or they are in the category where they have enough money to pay for something better whether it's truly value or not. Very few genuinely can value the differences in a meaningful way, because that's almost impossible, and certainly not possible for a third party.
Mike

jak na razie to GENOS wielkiego wrażenia nie robi na mnie

Here's the translation



So far, GENOS doesn't make much impression on me

regards,

Ron  j

I'm a great believer in form follows function. There does seem to be a trend among some enthusiasts
to always trade-up.

The Tyros 2 was my previous keyboard before the Genos 2 and it must have paid for itself 30 times over with the gigs
I had both in the UK and abroad. I missed the larger keyboard of my PSR 9000 Pro, but the floppy disks were a bind
and it was a beast of a machine (heavy) to carry, along with the sound equipment.

No doubt there will be a Genos 2,3,4 and 5 but I'm content with what I have right now. Besides, I often wonder
how many players really get to grips with everything these keyboards have to offer and use all of the features.
We can compare it to learning a new piece of software. For example even though I used Excel and a dedicated statistics
program as part of my work life I can honestly say I did not know these two programs inside out. Just enough to complete
the task. If a new task was more complex then I would put more time in to learn how to do things.

A good friend of mine who taught IT at college level said to me: "If you truly understand the technology it's already obsolete".

I suppose it's human nature to want to see progress and future-proofing.

Quote from: Sam Wacker on Feb 20, 2025, 04:38 AMI missed the larger keyboard of my PSR 9000 Pro, but the floppy disks were a bind and it was a beast of a machine (heavy) to carry, along with the sound equipment.

This made me laugh. I had the 7500 (loved it) but yeah, floppies and the weight....
I bought it in a really great sale in the USA when a relation convenient to the shop and was travelling to Ireland (and would stay with us) would carry it for me. Perfect plan. Over 20+ years ago (and the 7500 long gone) and he still comments on the weight he had to lug around.   

Quote from: bpsafran on Feb 18, 2025, 02:25 PM

Quote from: richkeys on Feb 18, 2025, 12:05 PMIn simplest terms:
-G2 has more keys (for solo piano)
-G2 has better keybed
-G2 has more sounds, FM engine, some new pianos
-G2 has sliders and knobs
-G2 does not have internal speakers
-G2 is less portable than SX920

I've left out some misc. G2 features, but if the main G2 features listed above matter less to you than SX920 was the right choice. Those features matter to me but I can't afford a G2 right now. As said above, you know best what suits your needs.

Rich

Important to me in my Genos2 are:

Much better keybed

76 keys which I use for arranger mode to trigger particular bass (fingered on bass), so they are not only for piano style playing.

Much improved and responsive orchestral and pop brass voices and 5 new cinematic string voices.

FM piano and synth voices in styles OTS, and right hand voices

Revelation reverb which keeps the stereo separation and is a delicate but important effect.

Aftertouch control of many of the sounds, especially the SA2 voices.

3 pedals to control more functions kas opposed to 2 on SX920)

In a nutshell, yup!

For me the biggest differences are the new pianos (Character Grand, U3 Upright, felt piano), the new Reverb (it really does sound more real), a ton of new brasses, Super Art2 Basses (that's a first); a ton of new basses including McCartney, and even slap upright acoustic; Finally 4 orchestral drum sets instead of just 1 (going all the way back to PSR9000, even Genos 1 had the same symphony kit!), and for the first time ever,a DX7ii synth engine in the acmp!

And don't dismiss how useful 3 pedals is; on the Genos/Tyroses, you can plug in a left pedal for S.ARt1 or registration program change, the right pedal can be sustain, and a 3rd for volume pedal. You simply can't do that on a PSR; but again, it mainly only matters if you're going to be using a volume pedal.
Additionally, 6 line outs instead of 4, *106* S.Art2 voices vs *12*, and yes, having 10 registrations per bank does help *if* you do really long medleys.

If none of those features means much to you? Keep your sx920.

My top gun Medley features a lot of Genos 2 features that simply aren't possible on the sx920 or even the Genos, mainly due to the new drums, and DX7 (that's the DX7  tubular bell you hear throughout, which is what was actually used in the original film). If you think that's hyperbole, go ahead and download the same basic style (Action Anthem) that has been posted here converted for use on Genos.
https://youtu.be/kGdLjL5EeE8?si=RoIRMSoY88tUXYu8

And yes I'm working on a separate demo to show off all those new basses.

Oh also Genos2 finally has HDMI out, and a built in audio interface.


Mark

Quote from: DaPaleRider on Feb 18, 2025, 02:42 PMThank you all, I will give a thought. Genos2 has nice features but is double the price. I also own a Korg Pa5X, so maybe a Genos2 is overkill. I still have a few days to decide:-)

Wow - you have the best of both worlds...two keyboards, Yamaha and Korg!!
You could even Midi these two keyboards together to add to the fun!
If you ever find any voices or styles that you need from the Genos 2, you could probably 'acquire' them from someone on this forum.
A further example: Having 3 pedals compared to just 2 shouldn't be an issue if you have a third and fourth attached to the Pa5x...
(I'm fine with just my two pedals- doing this for over 50 years, even before the arranger keyboards were available. When I started there was no Midi, so I had to tier my three keyboards - organ, E. piano, Moog synth on top.)

So I think you should be set for now with the two keyboards you have.
Again, as many have mentioned, you alone will know what is best for you.

Have fun!

Quote from: aprilla on Feb 20, 2025, 08:49 AMThis made me laugh.   

Always pleases me to make people laugh. I'm from the tough city of Liverpool where humour (like in Glasgow, Scotland) is part of the DNA. It's how we deal with adversity.

It's also one of the reasons I always got my annual contract renewed when teaching English and British Life and Culture to Chinese
University students. Paraphrasing Confucius: "Find a job you love and you'll never have to work a day in your life" - so true.
I'd throw a party at the end of term (semester) and we always booked the university function rooms complete with stage,lights, PA, and DJ kit.
It was what we call "total immersion" where they had to use English all the time unless singing a Chinese song.  We all brought snacks and soft drinks (no alcohol allowed).

The guys would all compete to carry my gear and some of the girls would ask could they sing a specific song.
Adele was popular then so I made sure I knew her hits.  Doing Musical Chairs with 20-something Chinese students was real fun. The winner got a
selection of  Chinese brand pot noodles as a prize - easy to "cook" in the dormitory.  Those 5 years at that specific university were probably one of the happiest times in my life.

Quote from: Sam Wacker on Feb 20, 2025, 04:06 PMIt was what we call "total immersion" where they had to use English all the time unless singing a Chinese song.  We all brought snacks and soft drinks (no alcohol allowed).

The guys would all compete to carry my gear and some of the girls would ask could they sing a specific song.
Adele was popular then so I made sure I knew her hits.  Doing Musical Chairs with 20-something Chinese students was real fun. The winner got a
selection of  Chinese brand pot noodles as a prize - easy to "cook" in the dormitory.  Those 5 years at that specific university were probably one of the happiest times in my life.

Oh my! I'm of Chinese & Irish descent, and know the words to 2 and a half Chinese (Cantonese) songs (the half is the male part of a duet); but you probably have heard them enough times to know more Chinese Karaoke than I do!

Yup, humour is most definitely ingrained into some cities. My dad's humour finally made sense when we visited Dublin.

And Liverpool... you've never seen so many Beatle's statues in your life (and when we went, Lego had Beatles Yellow Submarine kit, so of course it was on sale *everywhere*). I'm still kinda mad at myself that I missed out on that kit. (It was kinda pricey then, but now the aftermarket prices are about 5 x the original retail )

Mark

Don't know about knowing more Chinese Karaoke -  I sang Elton John or Sting songs. The most popular song when I worked in education was You Exist in My Song in (Mandarin Chinese).  I liked it because of the "less is more " approach and very easy to play. Everybody seemed to know it. Even my stepson, who alongside his girlfriend is doing his PhD in Hong Kong right now, sings this song. But as he plays guitar, he prefers Ed Sheeran.

 


Liverpool is like a strange city to me as I left at 21 after uni and only returned to see the family for short periods. The Beatles "industry" is a huge factor in the city and the "quality" of some of the more recent statues is poor... But it is what it is. The Cavern Club has an elderly Hong Konger playing Beatles songs on guitar at lunchtime twice a week.  International Beatles Week every August is a great music event with tribute bands from all over the world. Most of the Beatles merchandise is made in China and almost all of the shops are run by Indians. A friend of a friend is a Beatles Tour guide. He's from Blackburn, Lancashire. When I first met him I asked him do they still have all the holes [in the road]- from The Beatles song:  A Day in the Life   Humour.

Not been in Dublin for decades. Last time, in a packed bar, enjoying a decent pint of Guinness and live music from a traditional Irish folk group, I asked the barman what time the bar closed closed- "Ahhh ...when everyone goes home." A middle-aged woman was talking to me and told me about some bad weather a few weeks back. I never forgot what she said. These were her exact words: "The hailstones were so big, they were riding on each other's backs" - the unrecorded poetry of daily life.

I addition, the G2 has a built in Audio interface allowing for direct recording into a DAW on a PC or Mac producing high quality tracks.
With the a SX920 a separate external Audio Interface needs to be purchased if wanting that feature . Not a bad thing, just more of a setup pain and wires to deal with.