I was wondering why there is not any function button in Yamaha keyboards for switching the fingering type during live style playing . All Korg PA arrangers have that button. I have used one of the assignable keys(A-F) on my Genos2 to switch to "Fingered On Bass" mode but there is no option to define the same button or another to switch back to "Full Keyboard" fingering mode.
currently for me it is a hassle during the live performance accessing the menu, find and select the "full Keyboard" fingering . If anybody knows a solution please let us know. I hope there might be a shortcut available for this function which I am not aware of that, otherwise it will be in my wish-list for next OS update.  Thanks in advance for any helpful responses.
Alex

Create a registration for each Fingering mode you want. Then you can switch at the touch of a button.

If you use registrations for your songs, you can store Fingering there, so the keyboard always has your preferred Fingering.

Cheers,
Fred

@bluali
Hi Alex,

To quickly call up the "Split Point & Fingering" display, press "Direct Access > Sync Start". (Instead of "Sync Start" you can also press "ACMP" or "Auto Fill In" or "Left Hold".)

Please note that whenever you memorize a registration, the current fingering is also automatically memorized (if the "Style" checkbox is ticked in the Memory dialog).

If you still want to always play with a certain fingering, tick the "Fingering" checkbox under "Menu > Utility > Parameter Lock". Then the fingering can no longer be changed by registrations (but only directly in the "Split Point & Fingering" display). Conversely, this "Fingering" checkbox in the Parameter Lock display must NOT be ticked if you want to switch to different fingerings via registrations.


Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Chris

Quote from: Fred Smith on Jan 06, 2025, 04:06 AMCreate a registration for each Fingering mode you want. Then you can switch at the touch of a button.

If you use registrations for your songs, you can store Fingering there, so the keyboard always has your preferred Fingering.

Cheers,
Fred

Hi Fred,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been using registrations to store different settings, including fingering modes, for many years. While it works, it's not an ideal solution for live performance, especially when needing to quickly switch between "Fingered On Bass" and "Full Keyboard" within the same song or set. It means creating and managing multiple registrations just for fingering changes, which can become quite cumbersome.

My main point is that Yamaha already provides the option to assign "Fingered On Bass" to the assignable buttons (A-F). It seems like a significant oversight that they haven't included "Full Keyboard" as an assignable option as well. This would instantly solve the issue and provide a much more streamlined workflow for live players. It's puzzling why they implemented half the solution but not the complete one.

Thanks again for your input.

Best,
Alex

Quote from: overover on Jan 07, 2025, 03:56 PM@bluali
Hi Alex,

To quickly call up the "Split Point & Fingering" display, press "Direct Access > Sync Start". (Instead of "Sync Start" you can also press "ACMP" or "Auto Fill In" or "Left Hold".)

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Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Chris

Chris
Thanks for the suggestion. While pressing "Direct Access" and then another button like "Sync Start" does bring up the "Split Point & Fingering" display, it's still not a practical solution for live performance. In a live setting, you often need to switch between fingering modes instantly, and navigating through menus, even with shortcuts, takes too much time and attention away from playing.

The core issue is that Yamaha allows assigning "Fingered On Bass" to a single button press (via the assignable buttons A-F), which is excellent. However, there's no equivalent single-button solution to switch back to "Full Keyboard." Having to press multiple buttons or navigate menus defeats the purpose of a quick, on-the-fly change. What I'm looking for is a true toggle – one button for "Fingered On Bass" and another for "Full Keyboard," just like how other manufacturers implement this feature. It's about having a dedicated, one-touch solution, not a workaround involving menus or multiple button presses.

Best.,

Alex

You can achieve what you want with registrations.

You'll need to decide whether you want a solution or not.

Cheers,
Fred

You can specifically create two registration memories, such as Registration 9 and Registration 10. When saving, check only the "Style" option and uncheck all other items. Save the Full Keyboard Mode to Registration 9 and OnBass to Registration 10. This way, whenever you need to switch fingerings, you can simply press Registration 9 or 10.

To prevent it from changing the Style you're currently using, you need to prepare any Style file in a separate directory in advance. Use this Style for saving the registrations, and then delete the Style file afterward. This ensures that switching registrations will not forcibly change the Style you're currently using.

Fingering is not an option included on the Memory button of the saved items in a registration?

I also did not read that it was in the documentation either.

Quote from: pax-eterna on Jan 11, 2025, 10:25 AMFingering is not an option included on the Memory button of the saved items in a registration?

I also did not read that it was in the documentation either.

Fingering is memorized as part of the Style group. That's why everyone is telling you to check the Style box.

Cheers,
Fred

Quote from: Fred Smith on Jan 11, 2025, 11:52 AM

Quote from: pax-eterna on Jan 11, 2025, 10:25 AMFingering is not an option included on the Memory button of the saved items in a registration?

I also did not read that it was in the documentation either.

Fingering is memorized as part of the Style group. That's why everyone is telling you to check the Style box.

Cheers,
Fred

Hi Fred,

As I've already stated multiple times, I am aware that fingering is stored in registrations (and thus associated with Styles). I've been using registrations for this purpose for many years. My original question was specifically about finding a better way to switch fingering modes during live performance using the assignable buttons (A-F).

The issue isn't about saving fingering settings; it's about quickly switching between them in real-time. For Me, Registrations are not ideal for rapid, on-the-fly switching between "Fingered On Bass" and "Full Keyboard" within a song or set.

The core problem is that Yamaha allows assigning "Fingered On Bass" to an assignable button for one-touch access, but inexplicably doesn't offer the same functionality for "Full Keyboard." My question is simply: is there a way to achieve this single-button toggle for both fingering modes, or is the current implementation (one-touch "Fingered On Bass" and menu diving for "Full Keyboard") the only option?

I understand the role of registrations; that's not what I'm asking about.

Alex

Quote from: Fred Smith on Jan 11, 2025, 11:52 AM

Quote from: pax-eterna on Jan 11, 2025, 10:25 AMFingering is not an option included on the Memory button of the saved items in a registration?

I also did not read that it was in the documentation either.

Fingering is memorized as part of the Style group. That's why everyone is telling you to check the Style box.

Cheers,
Fred

So not actually saved in a registration. I am correct in that!

So , and I assume I have understood you correctly, you actually have to edit a style , inserting the preferred fingering method into each OTS and THEN save that style in a registration, to every registration button manually. I

And then instead of selecting a registration you need to select an OTS to get your fingering desired for that registrations parts.

The other thing I have found is that some things in registration 1, are NOT auto carried over into subsequent registrations. So you need to manually save (press memory button and then rego button) to save the same style into each registration you are using for the song.

Quote from: pax-eterna on Jan 11, 2025, 03:16 PMSo not actually saved in a registration. I am correct in that!

Not correct.

Quote from: pax-eterna on Jan 11, 2025, 03:16 PMSo , and I assume I have understood you correctly, you actually have to edit a style , inserting the preferred fingering method into each OTS and THEN save that style in a registration, to every registration button manually. I

Not correct.

Quote from: pax-eterna on Jan 11, 2025, 03:16 PMAnd then instead of selecting a registration you need to select an OTS to get your fingering desired for that registrations parts.

Not correct.

Quote from: pax-eterna on Jan 11, 2025, 03:16 PMThe other thing I have found is that some things in registration 1, are NOT auto carried over into subsequent registrations. So you need to manually save (press memory button and then rego button) to save the same style into each registration you are using for the song.

A Style, like any other group, will "auto carry" over to the next registration, unless, in that registration you have set a new Style.

So, none of what you said is correct.

You need to reread @SHQY's post. His instructions are perfect.

Cheers,
Fred

Quote from: bluali on Jan 11, 2025, 02:28 PMHi Fred,

As I've already stated multiple times, I am aware that fingering is stored in registrations (and thus associated with Styles). I've been using registrations for this purpose for many years. My original question was specifically about finding a better way to switch fingering modes during live performance using the assignable buttons (A-F).

The issue isn't about saving fingering settings; it's about quickly switching between them in real-time. For Me, Registrations are not ideal for rapid, on-the-fly switching between "Fingered On Bass" and "Full Keyboard" within a song or set.

The core problem is that Yamaha allows assigning "Fingered On Bass" to an assignable button for one-touch access, but inexplicably doesn't offer the same functionality for "Full Keyboard." My question is simply: is there a way to achieve this single-button toggle for both fingering modes, or is the current implementation (one-touch "Fingered On Bass" and menu diving for "Full Keyboard") the only option?

I understand the role of registrations; that's not what I'm asking about.

Alex

"Is the current implementation ... the only option?"

You know the answer to that, Alex. It's not the only option, but you don't want to hear about anything else.

Cheers,
Fred

Quote from: Fred Smith on Jan 11, 2025, 03:41 PMYou know the answer to that, Alex. It's not the only option, but you don't want to hear about anything else.

Cheers,
Fred

If  the other option is as complicated as posted elsewhere then I am not surprised he does not want to hear about it!

I'd suggest going with AI Fingered mode or AI Full Keyboard mode. There are very few chords that those modes don't handle well and no switching is needed when moving from a 'normal' chord, which will be 'transparent' to the AI algorithms and a chord that requires an alternative bass note.

Your mileage may vary, as they say, but I haven't used On Bass mode in over 20 years. The AI modes take a bit of thought and practice but I've found it essential.

I'm an old timer. I would say for someone to play completely impromptu at times can be a daunting task.

If someone comes up and asks me to play a song they can sing, I can manage about anything with the simplest of settings. At that point it's their show and my contribution doesn't need to be a "showstopper". This thinking has worked for me for 50+ years.

I'll admit has It's taken me a long long time to realize the registration setting buttons can handle almost anything you throw at them. But, if its a selection you play often, just take the time to set up a registration for it. Yes, it took me months (and months) to set-up the 400 or so songs I enjoy playing. But, in the end, it worked better than trying to figure out a "work-around" when you have the solution right in front of you. Or shall I say "at your fingertips"

Maybe Genos 6 or whatever incarnation we get to will have everyone's wish list covered. (I'd like more foot pedal inputs without resorting to a midi controller) but for now, I'm thrilled with what I have.

My thanks to the tutorial for such a fine resource whether it's to help or to vent.

Very much this Andy.

But yes, what Fred said is completely correct. And yes, it will accomplish what you want: the simplest way is to make your whole performance (per song) a registration, and I do that with my videos. Some sections are full key, some are fingered, I even move the split point(s) from section to section


However, if you don't want to delve too deeply into the world of registrations, then you *can* save a temporary style file, save it for your 'fingering registration' and then delete the temporary style so that your registration only calls up your fingering. And that's fine, but in the end, it won't help you understand how useful and versatile registrations actually are (1 per song, etc) so Fred is completely correct there, too!

Quote from: bluali on Jan 10, 2025, 09:40 PMHi Fred,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been using registrations to store different settings, including fingering modes, for many years. While it works, it's not an ideal solution for live performance, especially when needing to quickly switch between "Fingered On Bass" and "Full Keyboard" within the same song or set. It means creating and managing multiple registrations just for fingering changes, which can become quite cumbersome.

My main point is that Yamaha already provides the option to assign "Fingered On Bass" to the assignable buttons (A-F). It seems like a significant oversight that they haven't included "Full Keyboard" as an assignable option as well. This would instantly solve the issue and provide a much more streamlined workflow for live players. It's puzzling why they implemented half the solution but not the complete one.

Thanks again for your input.

Best,
Alex

It probably feels like we're telling you what *not* to do; so here's what I *would* do (and this is what I do for almost every song): instead of creating registrations for fingering? Just create your registrations for each *song*. That way you have complete control over which sections are Fingered on bass vs full keyboard, etc.

You're probably wondering what about if you forget which sections are which? You can label each registration so that when you load it, at the top of the screen it says "On Bass" or "Full Keyboard" and a description of the section in Menu =, then Reg bank edit. See how they all say NewRegist? Change them as needed; "On Bass Sax Solos" for example. Within the same song.

Do this for every song. Once. You never have to do a registration for that song again, unless you want to update the registrations.
You will then *never* need a separate 'transparent' registration for fingering, nor an assignable button for fingering.

Mark