Updating Registrations files is extremely slow on specific USB stick

[AntonVH]

I recently changed my SX700 at home for a SX720 and am now trying to organize my data mess as I bought packs #15, #16, #17 and a package with some 20,000 Songstyles from PSR Tutorial in the past. Next to my SX720 at home I have a SX700 in my cottage near the sea. Some years ago I got the advise from one of the PSR Members to put all my files on ONE USB-stick in order to be able to keep both keyboards work identical. That was a very good  idea. It works fine. However I didn't dare to install the 20K SongStyles on the same USB stick so I have them on a separate stick and use them with a USB-hub. It works. I would like to use the new styles and voices that come with the SX720 and want to get rid of the hughe number of files that I will never use, so that at the end I will have just 1 USB stick with everything on it. With this in mind I prepared a separate and new USB(3.2)stick for the SX720 with 3.5 Gb of data ( 52+ K files in some 640 folders). The problem now is that the SX720 needs way more time (up to over 5 minutes) to find or change a specific Registration. Saving the changed Registration again takes another 3 to 5 minutes. If I replace the USB with a hub with the old 2 USB sticks the SX720 does these things just as fast as the SX700. So I think something is wrong with the new USB stick or with the way I saved the files. Any idea what I should do?
Thanks for your help!

Kind regards from Holland
Anton van Hasselt

[aprilla]

That is slow, but it's probably because you have such a large capacity stick with so much data on it. It all needs to be read so the more you have on it the more work the 720 has to do and the slower it'll be. I have the 720 and while it isn't super speedy it is pretty fast, but my stick is just 128GB and not as full (yet). If your hub allows, using two smaller (or less full) drives might give you a better experience.

I remove duplicate files, to keep things as tidy as I can. The PSR Style Database (check on the main site) will identify duplicates and you can move them off the USB so your keyboard doesn't have to read more than it has to. With that many files you're likely to have a few.

I really wish we had a way to actually audition style files from our computer, to check them out before adding to the USB as a keeper rather than adding, auditioning and removing those unwanted. This way gets messy (for me). Something like the preview on the Guests are not allowed to view links. In order to access the links, please Register or Login site would be ideal. I've not yet found a personal solution.

[KurtAgain]

On my PSR-SX720 I use a very old 4 GB USB 2.0 memory stick from around 2008. It's the same stick I used on my PSR-S900. When I switched from the S900 to the SX720, I didn't even reformat the stick; I simply pulled it out of the S900 and plugged it into the SX720. Mark's hair will probably stand on end if he reads this.

The stick contains around 37,000 files totaling 3.3 GB: styles, MIDIs, WAVs, MP3s, and so on. I've never had any problems with the stick, and I don't have any speed issues either. But of course, I still have backups just to be on the safe side.

I would advise Anton to try a different stick from a different manufacturer.

Kurt

[aprilla]

I would advise Anton to try a different stick from a different manufacturer.

It's worth a try.
My current stick is Verbatim (128GB). My previous used on the S900 were Sandisc (4GB). No issues with either.

Mark's hair will probably stand on end if he reads this.
Kurt

Poor Mark, we are an unworthy bunch, he really does have a lot to put up with

[Amwilburn]

On my PSR-SX720 I use a very old 4 GB USB 2.0 memory stick from around 2008. It's the same stick I used on my PSR-S900. When I switched from the S900 to the SX720, I didn't even reformat the stick; I simply pulled it out of the S900 and plugged it into the SX720. Mark's hair will probably stand on end if he reads this.

The stick contains around 37,000 files totaling 3.3 GB: styles, MIDIs, WAVs, MP3s, and so on. I've never had any problems with the stick, and I don't have any speed issues either. But of course, I still have backups just to be on the safe side.

I would advise Anton to try a different stick from a different manufacturer.

Kurt

Not at all; remember I specifically said *not* to format USB sticks so that they could be read across multiple instruments (I need to stick my USB into *many* instruments; I'm not going to be like the Roland rep who carries around a book style holder of dozens of USB sticks!)

However, all that went to heck when I got 256GB sticks; I've had to format those on G2, because otherwise they don't read /write consistently. 128gb and below, I've never had to format a stick, and used the same stick across all keyboards, even my old CVP309 (which incidentally, the 256gb sticks have too much current draw... so they don't work on my CVP. The 128gb's all did!!)

Mark

[winkor]

Hallo Herr Anton van Hasselt,
soweit ich weiß hat der PSR-SX720 nur USB 2.0 Anschlüsse, da dein neuer Stick aber ein USB 3.2 ist scheint es Inkompatibilitäten zu geben.
Es wäre vielleicht sinnvoll den neuen Stick am Keyboard neu zu formatieren. Vorher aber die vorhandenen Daten bitte sichern.
Eventuell kann man auch auf dem PC den Stick formatieren, es sollte das Format FAT32 gewählt werden.

Ich hoffe dass dies dein Problem vielleicht löst.

Mfg Winkor

Google translation by overover:
Hello Anton van Hasselt,
As far as I know, the PSR-SX720 only has USB 2.0 ports, but since your new drive is a USB 3.2, there seems to be some incompatibility.
It might be a good idea to reformat the new drive on the keyboard. Please back up your existing data first.
You can also format the drive on your PC; the format should be FAT32.

I hope this might solve your problem.

Regards, Winkor

[overover]

@winkor
Welcome to the PSR Tutorial Forum, Winkor!

I translated your German text into English as we are an English-language forum. Please respect our forum rules and post in English only here in the future. You can use an online translating tool like Google Translator (Guests are not allowed to view links. In order to access the links, please Register or Login). Thanks for your understanding.


All the best from Germany,
Chris (overover)

[David_P]

Question (for the un-enlightened, like me)

Why are Yamaha still using USB 2 ports (and not USB 3) on the sx720 and sx920? 

I understand that these keyboards have expanded user memory over previous models but this will usually be  very quickly crammed full of expansion packs.

 

[Rupp]

Because the internal processor is quite slow and faster transmission doesn't mean faster loading.
The transfer time of 2GB (full SX920 memory) with USB2 can be approximately 1 minute (30MB/s). If it is slower, then longer time is due to processing, USB3 doesn't help.