tempo changes

[ahc59]

Hello,

How can I change the tempo in a song for example 120 bpm to 90 bpm. Is there a good description to do so. The music sheet starts with 4/4 measure and halfway the measure changes to 2/4.
Its is just one Style and one song. I looked for it on the internet, but it was not clear for me.

Thx in advance for the help.

ahc59 (PSR-SX700) user

[mikf]

I think you mean how to change tempo of a style when playing a song. The easiest way would be to save a two registrations with a different tempo set in each one. Or alternatively save two versions of the style at each tempo (each one has to get a different name eg style120, style 90, and be saved as user style). Then set two registrations which call up each user style.
Mike

[ahc59]

I already did what you told, but when I press for RM button 7 tempo 120, and later RM button 8 tempo 90, the conversion of the rhythm is nasty to hear. It not is not going smoothly. I had hope to do something with Main A to Main B.
Is that een option ? if Yes can you tell me how to get these different style tempo's under de button Main A en Main B.

[Fred Smith]

I already did what you told, but when I press for RM button 7 tempo 120, and later RM button 8 tempo 90, the conversion of the rhythm is nasty to hear. It not is not going smoothly. I had hope to do something with Main A to Main B.
Is that een option ? if Yes can you tell me how to get these different style tempo's under de button Main A en Main B.

When I do tempo changes using registrations, they work perfectly. You'll find it much easier to use registrations than modifying a style.

What exactly is going wrong when you switch registrations?

Cheers,
Fred

[ahc59]

Hey Fred,
Your advice is very good, when I switch the tempo the sound like a drunken cat, perhaps I'am doing something wrong during playing the song. is there a option to change the RM from 7 to 8 for a moment, example a hit on the break button, or another moment to switch the tempo.

greet, ahc59

[mikf]

Hard to know exactly what is going on without hearing it, but I suspect it may be either a timing issue - by which I mean exactly when you activate the button- or it might be something within the style itself.
Experiment with the button timing, and also try doing this with a couple of different styles to see if they change more smoothly.
Or it could the change to 2/4 is throwing your timing off.
You should be able to set up registration 8 to go to intro 1 and main B at the change, if you want a 'break'. What song is this?
Mike

[Fred Smith]

Hey Fred,
Your advice is very good, when I switch the tempo the sound like a drunken cat, perhaps I'am doing something wrong during playing the song. is there a option to change the RM from 7 to 8 for a moment, example a hit on the break button, or another moment to switch the tempo.

Post your registration so we cake a look at it for you. There's no reason we can't get it working for you.

Cheers,
Fred

[ahc59]

Okay mikf, the song is a dutch song called "OH MOOIE WESTERTOREN" It starts with a beat 120 later on a beat 90. Its an old song for the elderly among us.

[ahc59]

Fred,

I dont how to post my registrations. Im sorry, tp prevent I take a lot of your time Ill think its better to call this subject to be closed

Thanks for the help

[Fred Smith]

I dont how to post my registrations. Im sorry, tp prevent I take a lot of your time Ill think its better to call this subject to be closed

Some of us retired people have lots of time. To post a file, you upload it to a file sharing service (like Box, OneDrive) and post the link here.

Or, just email it to me:fhsmith517 at gmail dot com.

Cheers,
Fred

[ahc59]

Okay Fred,
I will send you an email asap.

[mikf]

Okay mikf, the song is a dutch song called "OH MOOIE WESTERTOREN" It starts with a beat 120 later on a beat 90. It's an old song for the elderly among us.

Well ahc, I'm afraid that song title doesn't help much, not a well known song ..LOL
Mike

[BogdanH]

... not a well known song ..LOL
Mike

Yes, I agree (out of curiosity I have checked the song on Youtube).
Then I checked Guests are not allowed to view links. In order to access the links, please Register or Login and it confirmed my impression while I was listening to the song. First part (slower) is more like an intro and has time signature of 4/4. The main part has 3/4 time signature. That is, tempo is the same for both parts -it's just different time signature.

PSR-SX900/700 only supports one time signature for a whole style and so the only solution that I can imagine right now is, to use two styles (which you then call by using registrations).
The second option would be to use midi file, recorded in 4/4, for first part (because it's only used at the beginning of the song) and for the main part of the song you use 3/4 style. Of course, both need to have the same tempo.

Just sharing my thoughts,
Bogdan

[aprilla]

This topic interests me, I've been lamenting the old Rit button older keyboards had. Slowing down a tempo in an ending by double pressing isn't really a solution if you want to do it within a song. Using registrations you can change from one tempo to another, but it's stark, not gradual unless you do it over a few reg and that's not really practical. Is there another way to slow or increase tempo with them?

Or is it really only using the tempo + / - buttons that will do this? They aren't located very conveniently if so.

I'm not wanting to do it, now anyway, but just thinking out loud

[mikf]

Yes Bogdan, I also had a look and it has a time signature change rather than a tempo change. I think a h May Ave this wrong.
So it needs two completely different styles. Another approach is to play the 4/4 intro in free time ie no style, then drop into a 3/4 style for the chorus.
Mike

[Fred Smith]

Okay Fred,
I will send you an email asap.

The problem isn't the tempo change. It works fine.

Your problem is the voice changes. You're changing from StringPad to Steirsche with different DSPs. This would sound like a drunken cat regardless of the tempo used.

When you're experimenting with something (a tempo change), you should change only that one thing. Leave everything else the same. Then you'll know whether it works or not.

In your case, you should be able to fix the drunken cat sound by moving Steirsche to Right2, and FrenchMusette to Right3 in Reg8. Make sure Right1 is off in Reg8.

Cheers,
Fred

[mikf]

I took the time to listen to this song on a utube video. Quite a nice song. Maybe it is not always done the same way, but in this version it bore no relation to the way ahc described it. The first part of the song was definitely not 4/4 at 120 bpm. It was in expressive free time or rubato, ie no strict tempo, and more slowly, but definitely still with a 3/4 feel. It's a feel thing. Then it drops into a leisurely tempo in straight 3/4.
This is a very common way to arrange music - an expressive free time verse or intro, then pick up into the rhythm - although there can be issues doing this on an arranger - see my later note.
If I was playing this I would either just use straight piano then drop into the 3/4 style - or maybe use one of the free play styles on the initial part then move into the chosen 3/4 style.
Ahc - I wonder if you are getting too tied up on what is written on the music rather than how the song is actually performed. Although, as I said, it's possible I listened to a very different version.
BTW, as an aside for anyone else trying to quick record songs in this idiom - it cannot be done on the arranger  as a typical quick record midi because the internal midi clock hesitates when you try to move into tempo. You have to audio record which works but takes away all edit benefits of recording first to midi.
Mike