Headphones

[mikeo1]

Hi is it possible to use wireless headphones with the Genos2

Thanks Mike

[Genosidecar]

bonjour ,

Non le Bluetooth est juste en entrée.

[Brian 007]

Hi Mike,

No experience with wireless headphones, but I would have thought the biggest problem could be a slight delay/ latency ?

Brian007

[Rick D.]

Mike,

There is a latency problem using wireless headphones. Someone in the forum mentioned there was a manufacturer that made a pair of headphones that did work though. I forget the name.

Rick D.

[Ronbo]

Hello mikeo1,

Yes,it is possible to use a wireless headphone on Genos 2

I use the Yamaha model YH-WL500

They work very well; no latency issues at all.

But they are not noise reducing like for example, Bose .

I have both but I always use the Yamaha wireless simply because the are just that, wireless

Caution: they aren't cheap, but they're wonderful

regards

Ron j

[Chalky]

The term 'wireless' is confusing.  Here, it only means "without a wire".  It doesn't tell you the technology that enables the headphones to function without a wire. 

If that technology is Bluetooth then the latency is always going to be very noticeable when pressing a key.  It is simply a consequence of the Bluetooth protocol.

Some manufacturers therefore use a different, usually proprietary protocol that removes unacceptable latency.  That's what Yamaha has done here.  The WL500 uses their own protocol to get latency down to 4ms.  The WL500 can also be used in Bluetooth mode for pairing with phones, tablets, etc but only for listening to pre-recorded audio where latency makes no difference to the experience.


So beware Googling wireless headphones as almost all will be Bluetooth and therefore unusable with your Genos because of excessive latency.

[mikeo1]

Thanks for your help, I have some Sony headphones but my Genis2 won't pair with them, ther doesn't seem to be any issues when watching TV ie lip sync but I'm not an expert

Thanks Mike

[Chalky]

That's because you are assuming the TV shows the displayed picture immediately.

Modern TVs can automatically compensate for Bluetooth latency by delaying the displayed picture.  For example, say the Bluetooth latency is 100 milliseconds, then the TV will produce the Bluetooth sound signal NOW but will delay the display by 100 milliseconds, thereby showing the corresponding picture that matches the sound.  To the viewer, the sound matches the picture and so the latency is hidden.

And no, a keyboard cannot go back in time and produce the Bluetooth sound before you press the key

[overover]

... I have some Sony headphones but my Genos2 won't pair with them ...

Hi Mike,

Bluetooth Audio on the keyboard is only for playback from an external device (e.g. smartphone, tablet, computer), but not for outputting the keyboard's internal sound.


Best regards,
Chris

[mikeo1]

Thanks for all your help

[maartenb]

bonjour ,

Non le Bluetooth est juste en entrée.

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"Hello,
No, Bluetooth is just an input."

This is an english-speaking forum. Thanks.


Maarten

[Rick D.]

The Yamaha headphones look nice but I need noise cancelling headphones.
I use Bose 700, also not cheap and have all the latency anyone could need LOL

Rick D.

[mikf]

Rick, not sure what you mean - maybe it's sarcasm, but latency is the last thing you need for playing keyboard.
The Bose 700 are bluetooth technology and not something I would typically recommend for keyboard playing. If they work for you great, but bluetooth typically has way too much latency in most situations. The Yamaha headphones use a proprietary wireless technology - not Bluetooth- to minimize latency.

[Rick D.]

mikf,

It was sarcasm, I use a cable for my headphones. LOL! 🤣
I would buy the Yamaha headphones if they were noise cancelling. I hate the cable, by the end of a session it feels like 300 lbs LOL

Rick D.

[mikf]

Funny, but I never notice the cable as long as I get on the same side as the socket. Unless I forget and try to stand up!

[Rick D.]

Mikf,

The pair on my Genos has a very thin cord, but it borders on being too short, and as you mentioned forgetting them and standing up or bending away from plug has ripped the cord out many times.
On my Yamaha N2 piano I bought a longer cord because the jack is underneath and not on the front and the original was too short. The length is good on the replacement, but it really is too thick and pulls at you constantly. 300 lbs was a pretty accurate assessment. I am hoping Yamaha comes out with a noise cancelling version of their low latency headphones. They better hurry, I am no spring chicken. 

Rick D.

[Ronbo]

Hello,

Nice to see Mikf here again.

I have a pair of Bose noise cancelling headphones AND the Yamaha headphones.

I can use either pair whenever I choose, so it boils down to which I prefer while playing.
It didn't take long to decide that the convenience of cordless far outweighs the convenience of noise cancelling.

There's a freedom there that cannot be duplicated

Also, the Yamaha headphones can be paired with any other device via bluetooth, meaning you can enjoy your favourite playlists, movies, ebooks, etc. privately.

As an added feature you can listen to music from your computer, phone, pad, etc. and play along with that same music on your keyboard, privately, without annoying anyone else in the house.

I think the Yamaha headphones are worth the tradeoff.

best regards

Ron j

[Amwilburn]

Yamahas wireles YHWL500 are indeed, excellent. No observable latency (4ms max, apparently) *however*, be aware they're not cheap ($469 CAD), and the included transmitter that attaches to the headphone jack is rather bulky and unsightly. Just FYI.

There is currently no such thing as bluetooth headphone that would work with any instrument; the bandwidth is too low/ latency too high (I tested for the latency of bluetooth *input*, and that worked out to about 880ms... nearly a full second behind) but wireless, you can not only get wifi wireless like Yamaha's, but also old IR headphones would also work (and being analog, essentially latency free as well). These were really popular from about 2005 to 2011, Korg even made a pair of IR headphones back then.

Given how unsightly the bulky headphone transmitter is, I think the next step is for Yamaha to make the YHWL500's (or a new model that still comes with that transmitter for compatibility), but have them communicate directly with models with built in wifi (like the Genos1, which skipped bluetooth) and the low latency of wifi *would* work.

Mark