New PSR SX series

[J. Larry]

When Yamaha brings out a new keyboard, or, arranger in this case, which country gets the news first; or, is it announced world-wide at the same time via internet?  Just wonderin' how it's been done in the past.

[BogdanH]

..it says sx900 "No longer available". Not "out of stock", no longer available.
..

That makes a big difference -need to check my bank account 
No, voices and effects is not enough... better keybed as well, please 

Bogdan

[Amwilburn]

Oh, you're right. A Keybed without the grease issue would be good, yes!

[p$manK32]

If this is true, I am a little surprised that Yamaha would actually launch new SX keyboards this year. I would like to see a 76 key version, more expansion memory, and a CFX piano at least like Genos1 has.

FYI, the below past thread had some interesting comments about what would need to be upgraded in order for my wishlist to happen. Things such as expanded internal wave memory and possibly a second tone generator chip. I'm not expecting much. They'll add some new styles & voices and use the same exact chassis with an SX+ logo painted on it is my guess.

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68522.msg519919.html#msg519919

Rich

[Keyboard Master]

This definitely is a sign that the new sx keyboards 🎹 are coming. Seeing the current one no longer available as some of you mentioned: Also usually the price of the current ones should be marked down too I noticed that retailers do that when a product gets discontinued and prepare for the new models. So I assume it won't be much longer. We will be surprised 😁✌️: It's possible sometime between now and Christmas I guess: 😎

[rikkisbears]

Hi , what on earth is going on nowadays with rattling keys. I've had literally dozens of keyboards , piano's , synths , over the last 40 years or so , I can't ever remember having a keyboard that had rattling keys, including a 20 year old clp Clavinova. That is until recently when my pride and joy my PA5x picked up a dreadful vibration o the c5 key.
( was driving me nuts till I came up wth a quick fix  for that one key) One day if more goes wrong I'll get if fixed.

Fortunately my sx900 doesn't rattle, that probably is more to do with the fact I don't use the keys, I use a Roland FP10 piano as a controller.

Piano group I belong too, complain about the Clavinova 745 being noisy and one guy was told noisy keys are to be expected?  The rattle on his key is driving him nuts too. Still under warranty, but being told a certain amount of noise is to be expected, well that is fine, but in his case as in mine, it's a specific key.

Had actually been thinking (wishful thinking😁) about  upgrading my FP10 to a Clavinova one day, ( my old one had been so reliable) but starting to think , safer to stay with my cheap  little FP10 piano , which currently is working fine.

Is the problem quality control or has it always been a problem?

[BogdanH]

Hi , what on earth is going on nowadays with rattling keys..
...
Is the problem quality control or has it always been a problem?

No, I don't think so. It's just bad (cheapest) engineering solution. When they assembled first SX keybed, they knew that keys rattle and that's why grease is used since day one.

Bogdan

[Divemaster]

Quote from Rikkisbears..  Still under warranty, but being told a certain amount of noise is to be expected,

I find that absolutely unacceptable. It's just a cop out by manufacturers to dodge their liability.
Unfortunately, mass production of keyboards and many other products in countries where labour is cheap and quality is average has become the norm, and so We the paying customers are expected to just suck it up!

Tyros never had this key rattle issue to my knowledge. I certainly never had it on my T1 or T4. Yamaha need to 'dump these rubbishy plastic cases' on these TOTL keyboards and go back to more robust cases.

Keith

[EileenL]

The Tyros keyboards were all flagships.  The lesser little brothers S series will never have a lot of the newer things on them because you are not paying the same price for them.

[KurtAgain]

Compared to many other musical instruments from renowned manufacturers, arranger keyboards below the Genos class are actually quite cheap. Unfortunately, this means that you will have to make compromises, for example in the mechanical construction.

Kurt

[DrakeM]

My S950 keys don't rattle and it is 11 years old.

Or maybe I just have the speakers up loud enough no one (including Me) can hear them. Even if the keys do rattle, just use your headphone in case you can't turn your speakers up. The problem is solved with either method. 

[BogdanH]

...arranger keyboards below the Genos class are actually quite cheap. Unfortunately, this means that you will have to make compromises, for example in the mechanical construction.

I disagree with such way of thinking, because:

My S950 keys don't rattle and it is 11 years old. ...

-11 years ago it was possible to make non-rattling keys, but now it cannot be done anymore for the same price? Not to mention that keys on some 400€ Casio don't rattle.

I stand to my claim: This has nothing to do with price -it is simply a bad Yamaha engineering.

Bogdan

[KurtAgain]

Bogdan,

I find the comparison with Drake's S950 difficult. Maybe he perceives the key sounds differently.

Actually, we should both visit Drake and ask him if we can play on his S950. ;-)

But your Casio argument has something to it, of course.

Kurt

[BogdanH]

...Maybe he perceives the key sounds differently.

-yes, is quite possible.

Actually, we should both visit Drake and ask him if we can play on his S950. ;-)

Bogdan

[DrakeM]

You can visit me anytime or my YouTube page where I have over 300+ videos and 200+ of them are of me playing the dang S950 live. 

[jtrue]

Is there some big trade show coming up where Yamaha might introduce new models?

   j.

[rikkisbears]

I disagree with such way of thinking, because:
-11 years ago it was possible to make non-rattling keys, but now it cannot be done anymore for the same price? Not to mention that keys on some 400€ Casio don't rattle.

I stand to my claim: This has nothing to do with price -it is simply a bad Yamaha engineering.

Bogdan

And KORG, by the looks of things.

Pretty bizzare when my $10k Aud. PA5x has more rattles than my $800 Roland fp10 piano. ( both are retail price , not what I paid).
Has really put me off buying a Clavinova. Ok if one lives in a city and a technician can come out and fix things, but, if you live in a rural area, and have pack stuff up and ship it for repairs, a bulky piano is not ideal. Bad enough maybe having to ship my PA5x one day.
Never had a problem with any of my Yamaha stuff over the last 40 years except for a floppy drive breaking down in a 20 year old Clavinova. Even my old Yamaha ms20s monitors still work perfectly about 30+ years old.
Don't think we get that sort of quality nowadays.

[J. Larry]

Surely, Yamaha won't introduce anything too revolutionary on an SX upgrade, or the Genos 2 group will want it, too.  On the other hand, what if something really new is introduced in the SX series to see how it will fly?  More or less a test to see if the Yamaha faithful will accept and adapt to such in future arrangers?

[rikkisbears]

Surely, Yamaha won't introduce anything too revolutionary on an SX upgrade, or the Genos 2 group will want it, too.  On the other hand, what if something really new is introduced in the SX series to see how it will fly?  More or less a test to see if the Yamaha faithful will accept and adapt to such in future arrangers?

Tend to think that has been the case. Use the PSR series as a test dummy for the top of the line keyboards.

Hopefully they do come up with something a bit more revolutionary for the sx series, or what's the point in bringing out a replacement . A few extra styles or some additional sounds , may make some owners think, what's the point of upgrading.

[hans1966]

As I have said in other threads.

My main wishes for the next SX-XXX series are:
1. more song editing tools like: piano roll, quantize while recording, quantize specific bars (NOT the entire song)
Time Track, Master Track to record all song related settings (Reverb, Pan, Volume and Time)

2. Direct sampling capability from the keyboard
and finally

3. after touch, and smooth transition (SSS) for changes between one and/or several voices.

That's all for now

greetings

Hans

[Keyboard Master]

Here's one possibility I think could happen. This year Yamaha could Debut the new sx models I'm guessing sx750/sx950 then next year Yamaha could debut the sx650 and dgx 680.

[J. Larry]

I wish there were a fast, efficient way to come up with multi pads for a given style.  To me, effective use of multi pads might be the poor man's way of getting extra style variations.  Just like Yamaha provides One Touch Settings for each style, how about something similar for the multi pad section?  There are 14 categories of multi pads on the SX 900.  That's a lot of stuff to search through, when I'd rather be playing and not diddling around.  As a starter, I'd trust the judgment of the style programmers to provide preset multi pads to augment a style.

[Amwilburn]

I wish there were a fast, efficient way to come up with multi pads for a given style.  To me, effective use of multi pads might be the poor man's way of getting extra style variations.  Just like Yamaha provides One Touch Settings for each style, how about something similar for the multi pad section?  There are 14 categories of multi pads on the SX 900.  That's a lot of stuff to search through, when I'd rather be playing and not diddling around.  As a starter, I'd trust the judgment of the style programmers to provide preset multi pads to augment a style.

Saving a new OTS does also save the MP selection; and current styles will call up different multipads for each style

[stevem]

Today I received an email newsletter from ePianos.co.uk. which included an article by Chris regarding what he expects from the SX900 replacement and ponders on what it will be called. I submit this may well be a clue as to what the trade is anticipating soon from Yamaha. Also I see on their website the price of sx900 has gone up, and not actually in stock (lead time of 7-10 days).

Steve

[pjd]

I'm going to double down on my prediction: PSR-SX720 and PSR-SX920.

That +20 means "Don't expect too much."

These are very good instruments no matter what! I've been playing my CSP-170 -- which has roughly the same sound set as the PSR-SX700. Can't go wrong once you've set a budget for yourself.

Wishing everyone peace -- pj

[Amwilburn]

Yup! Paul, only differences in sound library that I found: CSP doesn't allow access to the GM/XG/mega voices (but they're in there!), and the Cymbal kit is only on the portables (PSRs970/s975/sx700) but not the 88 key versions (CVP705/CSP150/170/PS500)

Mark

[pjd]

Yup! Paul, only differences in sound library that I found: CSP doesn't allow access to the GM/XG/mega voices (but they're in there!), and the Cymbal kit is only on the portables (PSRs970/s975/sx700) but not the 88 key versions (CVP705/CSP150/170/PS500)

Hi Mark --

Yep, it's always interesting to see what they left out in order to cram in the piano samples.

I could write a book on what Yamaha need to improve and why CSP ain't an arranger. Still a fun box and it's helped me to be more comfortable on piano keys (again).

Enjoy the nice weather (which has finally arrived) -- pj

[Keyboard Master]

Whenever the new models are released. It be so exciting to see Kino Strings in the SX series. 😁😁

[BogdanH]

Just noticed: PSR-SX900 is no longer available at Thomann (SX700 is still on stock, though).
And then I checked Yamaha.de keyboards where keyboards are always listed with official prices and guess what: there are no prices for SX900 and SX700 anymore.

Is it time to start guessing? 

Bogdan

[ikmusic]

Is it time to start guessing?

Yes, it's the right time...